Safe to do XP Repair without backing up files?

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Hello,

Just wondering if anyone has any horror stories about doing an XP Repair
(disk and recovery console) and finding it caused documents, pictures or
movie files to be lost.
Alternatively, can anyone give me 100% assurance that such an event cannot
happen?!

I ask because a friend's pc may benefit from an XP Repair but we have no
easy way at present to back up his years (!) of clips and treasured files.
Obviously, any risk of losing his files would render it unworthwhile to
attempt a Repair.

Thanks a lot,
Lee
England
 
Hi Lee:

No one can give you 100% assurance that your friend's files won't be
lost or damaged, even if you never attempt to repair his computer.
That's why backup exists. Anyone who uses a computer without backing up
is risking their information every time they turn on their computer.

There is a plethora of backup software and backup devices. I can't make
the point strongly enough: To not make regular backups is simply dumb.

That said, a repair install of Windows XP (also known as an in-place
upgrade)only affects Windows system files and has no effect on a user's
files if done properly. The "if done properly" part is very important,
obviously.

A so-called recovery CD erases the entire hard disk and reinstalls the
software installed by the computer manufacturer.

You're a good soul for wanting to help your friend, but unless you know
exactly what you're doing, you are courting disaster. And to attempt any
kind of serious repair without backing up first is just foolish.

Earl Grey
 
lee said:
Just wondering if anyone has any horror stories about doing an XP
Repair (disk and recovery console) and finding it caused documents,
pictures or movie files to be lost.


It *should not* happen.

Alternatively, can anyone give me 100% assurance that such an event
cannot happen?!


No, nobody can give you 100% assurance, about this or anything else. If
anybody gives you 100% assurance, don't believe him.

The likelihood of a problem is slight, but it is *never* zero. It is always
prudent to be sure you first have a backup of anything you can't afford to
lose.

I ask because a friend's pc may benefit from an XP Repair


Why? What makes you think so? What problems is he experiencing?

but we have
no easy way at present to back up his years (!) of clips and
treasured files. Obviously, any risk of losing his files would render
it unworthwhile to attempt a Repair.


Forgive the lecture which has nothing to do with your question, but he is
subject to that risk *every time* he powers on the computer (and even if he
doesn't power it on). If he has *years* of treasured files, his hardware is
apparently old, and his risk is even greater than most people's.

Your friend is flirting with disaster. It is always possible that a hard
drive crash, user error, sever power glitch, nearby lightning strike, virus
attack, even theft of the computer, can cause the loss of everything on his
drive. As has often been said, it's not a matter of whether you will have
such a problem, but when.

My recommendataion to your friend is to forget about the repair for now; his
highest priority should be to acquire the hardware and software needed and
institute a regular backup regimen. It cost some money but it doesn't have
to be a fortune. Only after that is in place should he worry about other
issues.

Here's my standard blurb on backup:

Essentially you should back up what you can't afford to lose--what you can't
readily recreate. What that is depends on how you use your computer and what
you use it for.

It takes time and effort to backup, but it also takes time and effort to
recreate lost data. If you back up daily, you should never have to recreate
more than one day's worth of last data. If weekly, there's potentially a lot
more to recreate. You should assess how much pain and trouble you would have
if you lost x days of data, and then choose a backup frequency that doesn't
involve more pain and trouble than that you would have if you had to
recreate what was lost.

Some things (photographs, for instance) can never be recreated, and more
frequent backup may be wanted for them.

At one extreme is the professional user who would likely go out of business
if his data was lost. He probably needs to back up at least daily. At the
other extreme is the kid who doesn't use his computer except to play games.
He probably needs no backup at all, since worst case he can easily reinstall
his games.

Most of us fall somewhere between those extremes, but nobody can tell you
where you fall; you need to determine that for yourself.

Should you back up Windows? Should you back up your applications? Most
people will tell you no, since you can always reinstall these easily from
the original media. But I don't think the answer is so clear-cut. Many
people have substantial time and effort invested in customizing Windows and
configuring their apps to work the way they want to. Putting all of that
back the way it was can be a difficult, time-consuming effort. Whether you
should backup up Windows and apps depends, once again, on you.

How to backup? What software to use? There are many choices, including the
Windows-supplied backup program. Which choice is best for you depends at
least in part on the answers to some of the questions above.

Finally what backup media should you choose, and how should it be stored?
There are many choices, including CDs, tape, zip drives, and second hard
drives.

I don't recommend backup to a second non-removable hard drive because it
leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to
many of the most common dangers: severe power glitches, nearby lightning
strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer.

In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in
the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of
your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of
backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site.

My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two
identical removable hard drives,I alternate between the two, and use Acronis
True Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive.

I also use a pair of 1GB thumb drives for making more frequent backups of my
most critical data (like financial information). For that I just drag and
drop.
 
lee said:
Just wondering if anyone has any horror stories about doing an XP
Repair (disk and recovery console) and finding it caused documents,
pictures or movie files to be lost.

Alternatively, can anyone give me 100% assurance that such an event
cannot happen?!

I ask because a friend's pc may benefit from an XP Repair but we
have no easy way at present to back up his years (!) of clips and
treasured files. Obviously, any risk of losing his files would
render it unworthwhile to attempt a Repair.

You answered your own question by stating it in such a way.
I cannot give you 100% assurance you will be alive to read this, much less
that performing a repair installation won't erase files.

Does someone have a horror story about losing files? Yeah, probably.
Is there a way to prevent this? Well - at least to try and prevent it?
Yes.
Called *backups*. Aren't doing these periodically? Time to start.

I'll say this as bluntly as I can... Not to be cruel/mean/ill-tempered -
but so there is no mistaking the point...

This part, "...no easy way at present to back up his years (!) of clips and
treasured files..." tells me that more than likely - no backup has ever been
in place. This is moronic at best. If they are treasured, they should be
treated as such - or you might as well dump them all in the grabage now,
save yourself the *surprised looks* and *shocked gasps* and *future sobbing
over spilt milk* now.

And this part, "...no easy way..." <- if they are 'treasured' then easy is
not something that should matter. It took effort to probbaly make these
clips, at the very least - in this case - these may be things that cannot be
reproduced (your first child will only have first steps once, etc.) So -
'easy' should not play into this. It should have never played into this.
Nor should there have been any concern over doing a repair install because
some method of backup and archival should have already been in place for
'treasured' items.

It's not hard to write to a CD/DVD. The third party applications to do so
are varied and many in number and surely one or more would be 'easy' for
your friend to utilize.

It's not hard or too terribly expensive to purchase an external hard disk
drive (USB, Firewire, etc) these days. And using the built-in backup
utilities is an option. Not 'easy'? The third party applications to do so
are varied and many in number and surely one or more would be 'easy' for
your friend to utilize.

It could be that it is a question of time - and yes - there will be some
time involved in doing any of this. The question is - is it worth the time?
Or would your friend be happier waiting for the inevitable hard drive crash
or fire or whatever - eveything lost without hope of recovery because
everything was in one place with no hope of reproducing the work? I assure
you - not 100%, but pretty dang close - you lose a lifetime of
memories/work/etc - it sucks.
 
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