Reinstalling XP ( Needs a phone call to activate?)

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Whats the deal with having to call microsoft now on most oem Computers. I
just got a computer store about a month ago and didnt have a problem
reinstalling xp with the product key on the side of the case. Now it seems we
are calling all the time.

William
MCP,A+,Network+
 
What if someone is junking an old computer and wants to install his version
of XP on his new box?

DSH
 
What if someone is junking an old computer and wants to install his version
of XP on his new box?

If the version of XP is OEM, then it's tied to the "First Computer" it
was installed on and MS does not permit it to be licensed on a different
computer.

If the version is an retail version, as long as you remove it from the
old computer you can install it on another - one only active install at
a time.
 
Appalling!

This is what it has come to.

DSH
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William said:
Whats the deal with having to call microsoft now on most oem
Computers. I just got a computer store about a month ago and didnt
have a problem reinstalling xp with the product key on the side of
the case. Now it seems we are calling all the time.

D. Spencer Hines said:
What if someone is junking an old computer and wants to install his
version of XP on his new box?
If the version of XP is OEM, then it's tied to the "First Computer"
it was installed on and MS does not permit it to be licensed on a
different computer.

If the version is an retail version, as long as you remove it from
the old computer you can install it on another - one only active
install at a time.

D. Spencer Hines said:
Appalling!

This is what it has come to.

Hmmm.. What part is appalling?

It has always been this way according to the EULA that came with Microsoft
OSes - it's just a hotter topic since more people now use computers and
Windows XP included the "activation" feature - which was more difficult to
circumvent (if only in a psychological way) than the "just install as many
times as you like on as many systems as you like and ignore the EULA you
agree to each time" method for previous OSes.

No one said that it was 'technically impossible' to do what you asked about
in all cases. However, doing it with an OEM version of the OS would be (at
the very least) ignoring of one part of the written EULA that the user
agrees to by installing and/or using the OS license.
 
D. Spencer Hines said:
What if someone is junking an old computer and wants to install his version
of XP on his new box?

DSH

If you are updating the "old" computer, no problem. IOW, if you update
the motherboard, CPU, etc., it is an upgrade. If you build a completely
new computer, it isn't.

Alias

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The point i was trying to get across is i own a pc shop and on any given day
we could have 4 dell machines come in that need a reload of xp. We use their
product key that is on the side of their case and no hardware changes at all
and we now have to call microsoft to activate the machine.
 
William said:
The point i was trying to get across is i own a pc shop and on any given day
we could have 4 dell machines come in that need a reload of xp. We use their
product key that is on the side of their case and no hardware changes at all
and we now have to call microsoft to activate the machine.

And, once again, we have more proof that activation only inconveniences
paying customers and doesn't halt piracy one iota.

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The point should be why are doing so many re-installs of Windows? I also own
a pc-repair shop. As I'm a one man shop and it sounds like you have several
people working for you I'll assume you do more repairs than I do. Even so I
rarely need to perform a clean install except on new computers. I do maybe
one full re-install per month. In most cases a repair install is all that is
needed. You are not servicing your cutomers well if your standard fix is a
clean re-install.

Kerry
The point i was trying to get across is i own a pc shop and on any
given day we could have 4 dell machines come in that need a reload of
xp. We use their product key that is on the side of their case and no
hardware changes at all and we now have to call microsoft to activate
the machine.
 
90% of the reinstalls are at the customers request just so you know we are
not taking the easy way out. Yes we are very busy at the shop cause we are
servicing many towns.
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William
MCP,A+,Network+


Kerry Brown said:
The point should be why are doing so many re-installs of Windows? I also own
a pc-repair shop. As I'm a one man shop and it sounds like you have several
people working for you I'll assume you do more repairs than I do. Even so I
rarely need to perform a clean install except on new computers. I do maybe
one full re-install per month. In most cases a repair install is all that is
needed. You are not servicing your cutomers well if your standard fix is a
clean re-install.

Kerry
The point i was trying to get across is i own a pc shop and on any
given day we could have 4 dell machines come in that need a reload of
xp. We use their product key that is on the side of their case and no
hardware changes at all and we now have to call microsoft to activate
the machine.
 
D. Spencer Hines said:
What if someone is junking an old computer and wants to install his version
of XP on his new box?

DSH


Assuming retail licenses (OEM licenses are not transferable),
simply remove WinXP and Office from the computer they're currently on
and install them onto the new computer. If it's been more than 120 days
since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll most likely
be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been
less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm



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D. Spencer Hines said:
Appalling!


How so? If you had an OEM license, you got what you paid for. The OEM
License that came with the PC was deeply discounted, as compared to a
full-featured retail license. One cannot reasonably expect to pay a
discounted price for a limited product and yet expect a product with no
limitations. One of an OEM license's limitations is a lack of
transferability.

There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:

1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral
hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC,
although Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP)
and are _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed.
An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
transfer ownership of the entire PC.

2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is
to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM
license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email support
for problems with the OS.

3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive.
It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an
in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature. Further,
such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of device
drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels
necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was designed.
(To be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the open market;
but, if you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay, swap meets, or
computer fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's
too late.) The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by Microsoft
and sold to small systems builders, don't have this particular problem,
though, and are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart
from the licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions.

This is what it has come to.

It's been this way for years. The only change is that Microsoft has
been forced to install an enforcement mechanism because there are so
many dishonest people in the world.


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William said:
The point i was trying to get across is i own a pc shop and on any given day
we could have 4 dell machines come in that need a reload of xp. We use their
product key that is on the side of their case and no hardware changes at all
and we now have to call microsoft to activate the machine.


Then simply ask your customers to bring along their Dell OEM CDs with
the computers. Then you won't even have to enter the Product Key, much
less worry about activation.


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Bruce Chambers

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both at once. - RAH
 
D. Spencer Hines said:
Appalling!

This is what it has come to.


Bear in mind that OEM versions are cheaper than retail versions.This is the
main reason it's cheaper. You pay less and you get a non-transferable
version.

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Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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Alias said:
If you are updating the "old" computer, no problem. IOW, if you update
the motherboard, CPU, etc., it is an upgrade. If you build a completely
new computer, it isn't.

An OEM version that's locked into the old computer won't know the
difference between that "upgrade" and a new computer.

Changing the mobo, cpu leaves you with a "new" computer - unless the
OEM version is tied into the original hard drive.
 
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Bruce Chambers said:
Then simply ask your customers to bring along their Dell OEM CDs with
the computers. Then you won't even have to enter the Product Key,
much less worry about activation.

This is true, when the original Dell OEM CD is used to reinstall, repair, or
clean install, the CD key and activation is not necessary.
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An OEM version that's locked into the old computer won't know the
difference between that "upgrade" and a new computer.

Changing the mobo, cpu leaves you with a "new" computer - unless the
OEM version is tied into the original hard drive.

If you called Microsoft and explained that you had to change the
motherboard out on the original computer, is there a chance that
they'd allow you to activate?

W
 
Bruce said:
Then simply ask your customers to bring along their Dell OEM CDs with
the computers. Then you won't even have to enter the Product Key, much
less worry about activation.


Not correct. Whether or not you use Dell OEM CDs on DELL systems you
still need to insert the product key and to activate. Last weekend I
just just did a clean install on one of my DELL systems. Perhaps US
versions CDs are different but in UK you always have to do the correct
way!

hth
 
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