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i cannot find any registry cleaner that will work on my vista system. i have
tried several so far. they will find the problems but will not delete them. i
also noticed that at the end of the scan it will say " volitile enviroment "
i have no idea what this means. any ideas?
 
bandmama said:
i cannot find any registry cleaner that will work on my vista system. i have
tried several so far. they will find the problems but will not delete them. i
also noticed that at the end of the scan it will say " volitile enviroment "
i have no idea what this means. any ideas?

You were inadvertently fortunate. Registry cleaners are snake oil,
dangerous, and unnecessary. If you don't know enough to work with your
registry by hand - and it is rarely necessary to do this - then you most
certainly should not use a registry cleaner.

The error message you are getting indicates that whatever program you
had isn't Vista-compatible and should not be used.

If you want to read lengthy discussions about why not to use registry
cleaners, go to Google Groups Advanced Search, constrain the search to
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and use the search term "registry
cleaner".

Please don't come back with a post stating something along the lines of
"I've used Registry Cleaner X for years and it has always worked". Been
there, done that, reinstalled Windows for years on users' machines where
they had used a registry cleaner.


Malke
 
bandmama said:
i cannot find any registry cleaner that will work on my vista system. i have
tried several so far. they will find the problems but will not delete them. i
also noticed that at the end of the scan it will say " volitile enviroment "
i have no idea what this means. any ideas?

I have never seen such an error. What registry cleaner did you
download and from where? There are plenty of sites offering
"registry cleaners" and "spyware removal" and they are nothing
but spyware/adware themselves. Or, they do "scans" that find
all sorts of errors/critters and in order to remove those you have
to buy the full product. You scan your computer with Windows Defender
and then your AV to see if one of those products put some type of
spyware/adware/virus on your computer.

Also, you should always be very careful when using a registry cleaner.
They can remove entries that can cause all sorts of weirdness and
basically can mess up your OS. Registry cleaners should *only* be used
as a last resort.

You can try Crap Cleaner. I use it for cleanup purposes, but it also has
a registry cleaner. It's located under the "issues" tab. I haven't ever
experienced a problem using it, but I use very rarely and I look at the
error entries before I allow CrapCleaner to fix/delete them.

http://www.ccleaner.com/


Take care,

Michael
 
You were inadvertently fortunate. Registry cleaners are snake oil,
dangerous, and unnecessary. If you don't know enough to work with your
registry by hand - and it is rarely necessary to do this - then you most
certainly should not use a registry cleaner.

Damn, some guys just need to have pissing contests in this newsgroup.
Tell you what kid, you be the doofus you are and 'work your Registry
by hand', then you'll be here the next day whining you can't even boot
into Windows.

Unnecessary? That would be debateable. Decent Registry cleaners serve
a useful purpose, for example they remove orphaned and widowed lines
in your Registry that point to nowhere, they also can clean up after
software that doesn't remove itself fully and good things like that.
For some fool to suggest, oh I do it by hand, is just some clown on a
a testosterone rush trying to look knowledgeable. Lot of that here.
 
Hilarious.

Adam Albright said:
Damn, some guys just need to have pissing contests in this newsgroup.
Tell you what kid, you be the doofus you are and 'work your Registry
by hand', then you'll be here the next day whining you can't even boot
into Windows.

Unnecessary? That would be debateable. Decent Registry cleaners serve
a useful purpose, for example they remove orphaned and widowed lines
in your Registry that point to nowhere, they also can clean up after
software that doesn't remove itself fully and good things like that.
For some fool to suggest, oh I do it by hand, is just some clown on a
a testosterone rush trying to look knowledgeable. Lot of that here.
 
Adam said:
Damn, some guys just need to have pissing contests in this newsgroup.
Tell you what kid, you be the doofus you are and 'work your Registry
by hand', then you'll be here the next day whining you can't even boot
into Windows.

Unnecessary? That would be debateable. Decent Registry cleaners serve
a useful purpose, for example they remove orphaned and widowed lines
in your Registry that point to nowhere, they also can clean up after
software that doesn't remove itself fully and good things like that.
For some fool to suggest, oh I do it by hand, is just some clown on a
a testosterone rush trying to look knowledgeable. Lot of that here.

I agree. Good registry cleaners are not dangerous and unless you are very
good and have lots of time, you will stay away from trying to clean it by
"hand". After lots of installs and uninstalls that would just be stupid to
try.

Ashampoo for Vista
Vista Manager
RegSupremePro

are just a few that work well in Vista.
 
I agree. Good registry cleaners are not dangerous and unless you are very
good and have lots of time, you will stay away from trying to clean it by
"hand". After lots of installs and uninstalls that would just be stupid to
try.

Ashampoo for Vista
Vista Manager
RegSupremePro

are just a few that work well in Vista.

Thanks, have to check those out. The only caution I would add is if
anybody uses a Registry Cleaner best not to let it automatically just
clean all the stuff it finds and says is bad. Most applications let
you expand the list and look at the details. Only once you know what
it is getting ready to delete and agree should you let it go ahead.
Also most applicatoins let your backup the Registry first. You should.
There is a hidden version of the Registry, or is it two? hidden
somewhere, but Vista may or may not find those if the main one gets
trashed so bad it can't boot to the point you can access the backup
registry.
 
Registry Mechanic works fine for me on Vista Business.
Mike

Same here with Home Premium. It also has the option to create a
restore point prior to cleaning the registry.
Dave
 
You just made it to my plonk list and you got 0 points for everything. How do people like you get here I will never know.
 
You just made it to my plonk list and you got 0 points for everything. How do people like you get here I will never know.

Another fool needs to announce he plonked somebody. Don't forget to
have your mommy change you pampers before you go to bed kid.
 
I used Registry Mechanic with XP, but with Vista HP it blew me out of the
water. If RM works for you, great, but I recommend caution.

LG mentioned...
Ashampoo for Vista
Vista Manager
RegSupremePro

and MICHAEL recommend...
CrapCleaner

With a product name like that it must be good (:~) . I tried Vista Manager
(if it the same one I'm thinking of), I shy away from products that repute
to do everything. I prefer specialists when it comes to my computer, but
that's just me.

and PTravel likes...
RegSupremePro

I'd like to hear more inputs both GOOD and BAD. I can go the manual way,
but with extreme caution and then only when I know where I'm going. I just
wander why Microsoft hasn't incorporated a Registry Cleaner into Vista just
as they have a Defragger. I remember MS resisted the concept of a
defragging for a long time, then Peter Norton's Speed Disk proved them
wrong. I guess they bought a license from him.

As a final note...For those who can't resist belittling users who might lack
their expertise with computers, leave it in the outhouse, please, and don't
forget to flush. There is room on the "bulletin board" for all levels of
expertise. Even yours...just be civil, OK! It's really not that hard.

If that last don't get some responses, nothing will....
 
William:

I have found no problems at all with using the reg cleaning capabilities
of CrapCleaner (now known as Ccleaner), found in its "Issues" section.
Pretty safe, IMO. And freeware.

RegSupremePro (by Macecraft) is more thorough--and also pretty safe in
my experience--but is, in Vista, currently unable to remove all of what
it finds for removal. This is also true of Macecraft's jv16 PowerTools
2006, which has the same reg cleaning engine as the lower priced
RegSupreme. Macecraft expects this issue to be resolved in the upcoming
jv16 PowerTools 2007, now in beta. (jv16 PowerTools was originally
developed by Jouni Vuorio, as a follow-up to his RegCleaner, which was
one of the original registry cleaning tools, and which I used for years
after it was first introduced as freeware in the late 90's.)

Before removing entries with any registry cleaner, however, one should
always make backups, if not of the whole registry, at least of all the
removed entries. Both Ccleaner and RegSupreme (or jv16 PowerTools) ask
and allow one to do the latter before removal. No matter how "pretty
safe" a registry cleaner may ordinarily be, a single error in cleaning
can create a mess for the user. So backing up should not be ignored.

One thing to watch for is any listed entries related to applications
that one normally must run from a CD (or DVD), because they will have
registry entries that point to a location that doesn't exist until one
inserts the CD, and will thus be tagged as nonexistent by the registry
cleaner. So, one should always scan the list of entries chosen for
removal before removing them.

YMMV. Clean with care, or not at all.


Daze
 
Daze N. Knights said:
William:

I have found no problems at all with using the reg cleaning capabilities
of CrapCleaner (now known as Ccleaner), found in its "Issues" section.
Pretty safe, IMO. And freeware.

CCleaner's registry scanner does seem to be relatively benign, as long
as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it
really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the
application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues"
won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS
installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none
installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a
hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly
"suspicious" files. In simple terms, CCleaner produced nothing but false
alarms.

CCleaner's main strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its
usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a
registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other
snake oil product of the same type.

What I truly don't understand, in this day and age, is why anyone would
think one needs to "clean" the registry?

What specific *problems* is everyone actually experiencing (not some
program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that they think can be fixed
by using a registry cleaner? If one does have a problem that is rooted in
the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of
course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the
problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job?
Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far
less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product
to make multiple changes simultaneously.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the
computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device
drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can
have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly
understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows
*exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change.
Having seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry
"cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer
technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me
that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user.

The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and
Regedit.exe. If one lacks the knowledge and experience to maintain one's
registry by oneself, then one also lacks the knowledge and experience to
safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe
their manufacturers claim them to be.

Further, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the use
of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's certainly been no
empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to
"clean" the registry improves a computer's performance or stability.

I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment far
more than I would any automated registry cleaner. I strongly encourage
others to acquire the knowledge, as well.


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Bruce Chambers

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Daze,

I learned about what you were saying concerned the CD/DVD install info the
hard way. The way I learned about it was in trying to install updates to
Office. The Office programs worked just fine. The Update for some reason
needed to know the source of the source code. I don't know why, since the
Office CD was not normally required to implement the Update, but the Update
would install until I either reinstalled Office to get the info back into
the Registry or went into the Registry and planted the info myself. You
know, it would be nice if the writers of Cleaner code would learn to program
the Cleaner to first determine the drive letter of the CD/DVD drive. Then,
have the Cleaner ignore entries reporting that drive information unless the
subject software is not on the hard drive to begin with. Or, is that asking
to much?

William
 
Bruce Chambers said:
CCleaner's registry scanner does seem to be relatively benign, as long
as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if
it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the
application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported
"issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a
brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and
certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed
to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of
purportedly "suspicious" files. In simple terms, CCleaner produced
nothing but false alarms.

CCleaner's main strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its
usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as
a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any
other snake oil product of the same type.

What I truly don't understand, in this day and age, is why anyone would
think one needs to "clean" the registry?

Just like cleaning up your yard... we don't like stuff hanging around even
it does no harm.
The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the
computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose
a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that
he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every
change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people using automated
registry "cleaners,"

Not much to understand. Ccleaner has a button. Push it and the jobs done.
We rely on the programmer to understand what is happening. This is the same
blind faith we have in folks that program an operating system. Put the disk
in... push the button.

I've had no problems with using ccleaner on a regular basis. I'm sure
worried about that Vista CD that is on its way tho.
I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment far
more than I would any automated registry cleaner.

The old way... it's ok I guess but somewhat like hammering away on a
typewriter, -for sure someone is doing it as we speak.
 
Inline:

Bruce said:
CCleaner's registry scanner does seem to be relatively benign, as
long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to
determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or
not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the
reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version
on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications
installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and
CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned
registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. In
simple terms, CCleaner produced nothing but false alarms.

You determined that "over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries"
that Ccleaner listed were not, in fact, actually orphaned?
CCleaner's main strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its
usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive;
as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any
other snake oil product of the same type.

Ccleaner = "snake oil product" ?
What I truly don't understand, in this day and age, is why anyone
would think one needs to "clean" the registry?

I think the urge to clean one's registry arises from the same place as
the urge to clean out unnecessary and unneeded files and/or
applications: the general desire to keep one's system "lean and mean"
without superfluous baggage. Cleaning out (apparently) unnecessary files
or uninstalling (apparently) unnecessary applications can both result in
disaster, and I even tend to caution my less experienced clients against
doing those things without supervision. I have *never* recommended to
*any* of my clients that they use any automated registry cleaner at all,
no matter how confident I might feel using it personally. I am not,
however, unwilling to discuss the subject with someone who has asked for
information and sounds intelligent enough to process it, such as, in
this case, William Beard. Albeit, still not without warnings of the need
to exercise caution.
What specific *problems* is everyone actually experiencing (not some
program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that they think can be
fixed by using a registry cleaner? If one does have a problem that is
rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after
backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are
causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will
do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry
entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an
automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people
using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user.

The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and
Regedit.exe. If one lacks the knowledge and experience to maintain
one's registry by oneself, then one also lacks the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe their manufacturers claim them to be.

I agree. One has no hope at all of understanding the consequences of
using an automated registry cleaner if one has not first acquired some
knowledge of registry editing by experiencing the process and
consequences of doing it manually using regedit. And again, even with
manual editing, one should always first make a backup so one can undo
one's error if things go wrong. In fact, one should always have a recent
full system backup available just in case thing go *very* wrong.
 
Now, that sounds like a reasonable improvement to hope for. Of course,
it may be that some, or even most, registry cleaners already do so,
these days at least, if not in the past. Can't say.

Daze
 
Hi guys

Hoping for some help here. I've been receiving error messages on my DVD
drive, saying "code 19" error in registry and subsequently the bloody thing
won't work. I tried Reg mechanic which found a host of errors, but it still
won't work. I've been told the only other thing to do is reinstall
Windows.... Please tell me this isn't necessary, cause it's very difficult to
do that without a disk drive!!
Please help...
 
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