Question on ProcessGuard (e.g., "MediaMonkey.exe tried to install a global shell hook ")

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"MediaMonkey.exe tried to install a global shell hook "
Is this , well, normal ?
I mean global hooks are commonly used by keyloggers and trojans...
I really like MediaMonkey, and even w/ ProcessGuard blocking the hook,
it seems to be working as usual ?
The reason I got ProcessGuard was because of the recent *Rootkit*
thread that caught my attention.
There's a limited freeware ver here:
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/processguard/index.php?page=download

Maybe I'm just getting too paranoid, jeez...
Right now I'm using

Spy Sweeper
Ad-Aware SE Personal
ewido security suite
a-squared
Sygate Pro <and using advanced rules>
AntiVir <Portable,for manual back-up>
Kaspersky Personal
ProcessGuard
s-t-i-n-g-e-r
and some I prob haven't included......

Every time I boot up SuSE Linux on my virtual drive and see such a
clean desk top w/out the need for all these peripherals , I have to
ask myself, why Windows ?
Basically two reasons , CAD and Photoshop, I guess ?
Oh well, don't want to get on a skew from my topic question :)
/bLB
 
buzz said:
"MediaMonkey.exe tried to install a global shell hook "
Is this , well, normal ?
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Who knows. Global hook could mean many things. That's one of my
complains of products like ProcessGuard, it takes a bloody hacker to
use one of these effectively.

Personally I deny access to this unless a) I really trust the program,
and/or b) It needs it to run.

The problem is that it's difficult to judge whether a program really
needs it to run. I could hide a rootkit as some application. And the
fake application would refuse to run unless it was granted the right to
install a driver.

I mean global hooks are commonly used by keyloggers and trojans...
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Yes and many legimate programs too.

I really like MediaMonkey, and even w/ ProcessGuard blocking the hook,
it seems to be working as usual ?
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Then leave it.
The reason I got ProcessGuard was because of the recent *Rootkit*
thread that caught my attention.
There's a limited freeware ver here:
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/processguard/index.php?page=download
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The freeware version doesn't block driver installation, sadly. That the
main thing that keep out rootkits.

In any case the ProcessGuard forum is here
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13
 
Who knows. Global hook could mean many things. That's one of my
complains of products like ProcessGuard, it takes a bloody hacker to
use one of these effectively.
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I'm no hacker, to be sure. But, so far, Process Guard (now) seems
pretty much a set it up and leave it alone defense. Of course, I know
that each time I install new software I'll have to set privileges, but
that's cool.
Personally I deny access to this unless a) I really trust the program,
and/or b) It needs it to run.

The problem is that it's difficult to judge whether a program really
needs it to run. I could hide a rootkit as some application. And the
fake application would refuse to run unless it was granted the right to
install a driver.



Yes and many legimate programs too.
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Very true.
Was just a momentary case of paranoia.
MediaMonkey was just the first program that wanted global hooks after
changing from *Learning Mode*. Subsequently a couple of other clean
programs have done the same. So, I'm giving existing trusted programs
more of a carte blanc, now. :)
Then leave it.
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I did, and all is well.
The freeware version doesn't block driver installation, sadly. That the
main thing that keep out rootkits.
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Agreed, rootkit was the deciding factor for going full ver.
Also, testing F-Secure BlackLight Beta which runs nicely on my
box..free now but times out in Oct. :(
In any case the ProcessGuard forum is here
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13
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Thanks Aaron, for taking the time to respond.
After a couple of days w/ ProcessGuard, I believe I am starting to get
a little more savvy w/ it. Kinda like initially setting up privileges
for a firewall...but different :)
Assuming I am not infected now, um before,
I just let it run for a while in *Learning Mode* and later granting
some privilege request for existing trusted programs that didn't run
during that period.
This program has proven real easy on resources and I believe it is
gonna be a nice program for my defense arsenal.
As easy as it is on my resources, I believe just the free ver would be
worth the download. :)
BTW, the full version stopped Gibson Research's *Leak Test* dead in
it's tracks when I tested it.....Quickley, hehe
/bLB
 
You could try Wine with Photoshop it should work.
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At the moment I'm running Linux w/ VMware on a virtual drive.
Not the most efficient way to run large programs. Gimp will run, but
slowly.
I am running 3 different OS(s) SuSE 9 and Windows 2000 pro in Virtual
drives on Windows XP.
I use windows 2000 pro as a testing sandbox w/ all new software before
I dedicate installing on XP. :)
It's kinda cool to boot up SuSE and just minimize it if I need to go
back into Windows...VMware <Payware> is pretty awesome.
I am in the process of setting up another hard drive partition for
Linux...So I'm sure I will try Wine for Photoshop after installation.
But I make my living w/ AutoCad, so that may be more of a challenge ?
To me, the hardest thing about learning Linux is un-learning Windows.
I have a son who is 10 yrs old and his first box will be a Linux
system...putting it together for him now.<He hasn't learned Windows
yet>
He can do all his hardcore gaming on his Xbox console, hehe
Thanks, Mark !
/bLB
 
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