Preferred IDE

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Rusty Owens

I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.
 
Rusty,

Although Alvin recommended Visual Studio, here's my two cents. I've found
Visual Studio to be great for everything but webforms. It's HTML handling is
terrible and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model (which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it no
longer required in VS2005). I use Dreamweaver, and the "Code-Aside" model
(<script runat=server src=myPage.aspx.vb>). You'll find VS.NET easier to
use, but I think you'll have a much better end product by going wih
something that handles HTML much better and doesn't use the Inheritance
code-behind.

-- Alex Papadimoulis

,
 
WebMatrix is free, Visual Studio.NET is definitely not free.
You get what you pay for.
 
and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model (which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it no
longer required in VS2005).
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What's your source for this?
 
Code behind is no longer required; VS2005 has good support for using a
single file for your HTML source and server code.
Inheritance is still used in VS2005, although much of the boilerplate code
is now hidden behind the scenes.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD, MVP
http://Steve.Orr.net


Alvin Bruney said:
and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model (which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it no
longer required in VS2005).
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What's your source for this?

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
Alex Papadimoulis said:
Rusty,

Although Alvin recommended Visual Studio, here's my two cents. I've found
Visual Studio to be great for everything but webforms. It's HTML handling
is
terrible and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model
(which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it no
longer required in VS2005). I use Dreamweaver, and the "Code-Aside" model
(<script runat=server src=myPage.aspx.vb>). You'll find VS.NET easier to
use, but I think you'll have a much better end product by going wih
something that handles HTML much better and doesn't use the Inheritance
code-behind.

-- Alex Papadimoulis

,
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how is that different from today when everything can fit into the aspx page.
I'm missing something i'm sure

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
Steve C. Orr said:
Code behind is no longer required; VS2005 has good support for using a
single file for your HTML source and server code.
Inheritance is still used in VS2005, although much of the boilerplate code
is now hidden behind the scenes.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD, MVP
http://Steve.Orr.net


Alvin Bruney said:
and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model (which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it
no
longer required in VS2005).
Click to expand...

What's your source for this?

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
Alex Papadimoulis said:
Rusty,

Although Alvin recommended Visual Studio, here's my two cents. I've found
Visual Studio to be great for everything but webforms. It's HTML handling
is
terrible and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model
(which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it
no
longer required in VS2005). I use Dreamweaver, and the "Code-Aside" model
(<script runat=server src=myPage.aspx.vb>). You'll find VS.NET easier
to
use, but I think you'll have a much better end product by going wih
something that handles HTML much better and doesn't use the Inheritance
code-behind.

-- Alex Papadimoulis

,
I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Currently VS.NET pretty much forces you to use a code behind. If you want
to do single page, it's not easy or supported well like it is in WebMatrix.
In VS.NET 2005 this is fully supported with full intellisense.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD, MVP
http://Steve.Orr.net


Alvin Bruney said:
how is that different from today when everything can fit into the aspx page.
I'm missing something i'm sure

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
Steve C. Orr said:
Code behind is no longer required; VS2005 has good support for using a
single file for your HTML source and server code.
Inheritance is still used in VS2005, although much of the boilerplate code
is now hidden behind the scenes.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD, MVP
http://Steve.Orr.net


Alvin Bruney said:
and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model (which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it
no
longer required in VS2005).

What's your source for this?

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
Rusty,

Although Alvin recommended Visual Studio, here's my two cents. I've found
Visual Studio to be great for everything but webforms. It's HTML handling
is
terrible and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model
(which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it
no
longer required in VS2005). I use Dreamweaver, and the "Code-Aside" model
(<script runat=server src=myPage.aspx.vb>). You'll find VS.NET easier
to
use, but I think you'll have a much better end product by going wih
something that handles HTML much better and doesn't use the Inheritance
code-behind.

-- Alex Papadimoulis

,
I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.
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1. Code behind has never been required.
2. Inheritance is not used for ASP.NET classes anymore, rather partial
classes, which introduces the idea of a code-beside model.
 
You're correct that code behind has never been required, but it is difficult
to do the single file method in VS.NET.

I believe you're wrong about inheritance not being needed in ASP.NET classes
anymore. Underneath it all, your page is still inheriting from the Page
class.
 
Yes, you are right that it still inherits from Page. I thought your
statement was directed at the fact that your .ASPX is a subclass of your
code-behind class.
 
After all this feedback... here is my 2 cents.

I've been working with VS2002 since beta, and now I'm on VS2003. My opinion is
that while HTML editor from VS.NET is not has good as Dreamweaver for example,
the fact is that coding in VS is much better. I code mostly in vb.net and its
amazing the productivity that you get from using vs.net.

The ideal solution for me would be to have Dreamweaver as HTML editor and VS2003
for coding. But that is just too time consuming and does not worth the trouble
in my point of view.

Things said, I've got used to the limitations of the vs.net html editor and I
only use code-behind currently. Sometimes I still go to dreamweaver where I do
some HTML de design and then just copy+past the HTML into vs.net.

At the end of the day, VS.NET is not that bad. Could be much better on the HTML
side, thats true, but still its a highly productive dev enviroment.


Cumprimentos / Regards

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Quite happy using Notepad. Its not fast, and its not particularly clever (if at all)

I do have VS, but dont use it
 
why don't you use visual studio? Don't get defensive. This is a genuine
question. I'd like to know what are the main reasons for sticking with
notepad over the benefits of studio.
 
Hi Alvin

I started using VS when I was learning .NET and wrote a few initial
web projects in it. I should mention that I normally use .NET for web
apps and VB6 for desktop apps.

The main reason I use Notepad is because I'm not doing project based
apps. I've built an assembly which does most of the work. Most of the
webpages are relatively simple but the few which req a built more
substance have a simple codebehind page (using src).

The main thing I miss about VS is the Intellitype. Its a pain having
to find which assembly a class belongs to eg PagedDataSource.

Sam

Alvin Bruney said:
why don't you use visual studio? Don't get defensive. This is a genuine
question. I'd like to know what are the main reasons for sticking with
notepad over the benefits of studio.

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
Samuel Hon said:
Quite happy using Notepad. Its not fast, and its not particularly clever
(if at all)

I do have VS, but dont use it

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