PP - Clips Online Sounds

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If my students download a sound from ClipsOnline, then it
won't play when they change computers. We receive a
message about "unable to find the sound in the temporary
internet files." Should a setting be changed since the
download location is "automatic"? PLEASE HELP!
 
I suspect that the students are downloading MID/MIDI files from the clips
online. Depending on how they do this, those files are unpacked to the
temporary internet files folder, and then inserted into the presentation.

If you ask me, it's a boneheaded thing on MS's part, because MID/MIDI files
aren't embedded into PPT files -- they're linked. And in your case, they're
not even just linked to the MID file in whatever folder Clip Gallery/Clip
Organizer stores them in (which is bad enough). Becaue they're linked to a
temporary file in the temporary internet files folder, when that folder is
cleaned out (which should be done periodically anyway), the sound file
actually gets deleted.

I can give you instructions to give to your students, but first I need to
know which version of PPT you're using.
 
It's PP 2002.
-----Original Message-----
I suspect that the students are downloading MID/MIDI files from the clips
online. Depending on how they do this, those files are unpacked to the
temporary internet files folder, and then inserted into the presentation.

If you ask me, it's a boneheaded thing on MS's part, because MID/MIDI files
aren't embedded into PPT files -- they're linked. And in your case, they're
not even just linked to the MID file in whatever folder Clip Gallery/Clip
Organizer stores them in (which is bad enough). Becaue they're linked to a
temporary file in the temporary internet files folder, when that folder is
cleaned out (which should be done periodically anyway), the sound file
actually gets deleted.

I can give you instructions to give to your students, but first I need to
know which version of PPT you're using.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

If my students download a sound from ClipsOnline, then it
won't play when they change computers. We receive a
message about "unable to find the sound in the temporary
internet files." Should a setting be changed since the
download location is "automatic"? PLEASE HELP!


.
 
Ok, thanks for that information.

I have to take back what I said about the temporary internet files folder --
that's not where the clips end up being stored, they're just unpacked there.

So here are the steps.

If your students use the clip organizer task pane and click "clips online,"
they're taken to the MS clipart site on Office Online.

There, after they choose which clips to download and click the download
button on the left, they should get an option to either Open or Save the
clip package (the MPF file). If they elect to Open the package, the clips
are automatically unpacked and installed into their clip organizer -- and it
opens up in a separate window to the folder where the clips are stored. (If
they elect to Save the package, the MPF file is saved to the harddrive
(wherever they specify), and they have to double-click to unpack and install
the clips. The Clip Organizer should still open, though.)

For some reason, I was thinking that opting to Save instead of Open the MPF
might help here, but it doesn't seem to.

Anyway, after the clips are unpacked and installed, clicking an arrow by the
clip in the clip organizer (or the clip organizer task pane) and choosing
Properties will show you the path to the clip. For instance, on my machine
it's this: C:\Documents and Settings\EchoCompaq\My Documents\My
Pictures\Microsoft Clip Organizer\BD14505_.mid Everything I download from
Office Online seems to end up in one of the folders in My Documents, to tell
the truth. There's probably a way around that, but I'm not sure exactly what
it is -- maybe one of the Clip MVPs will pop in and save me from myself
here. :-)

So if they click the arrow beside the clip, they also have an option to
"Move to Collection." I think you should set up a folder on the server to
serve as a collection for the kids to move their clips to. If you map it on
all the systems with the same drive letter, the path should remain the same
on all computers and the sound links won't be broken when the kids switch
computers.

Basically, I think you will have to teach the kids to use the Move to
Collection option to transfer the clips from deep within their My Documents
folder and onto a server folder before actually inserting the sound into
PPT.

Does that help at all, or does it just confuse the issue?

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com



AppsTeacher said:
It's PP 2002.
-----Original Message-----
I suspect that the students are downloading MID/MIDI files from the clips
online. Depending on how they do this, those files are unpacked to the
temporary internet files folder, and then inserted into the presentation.

If you ask me, it's a boneheaded thing on MS's part, because MID/MIDI files
aren't embedded into PPT files -- they're linked. And in your case, they're
not even just linked to the MID file in whatever folder Clip Gallery/Clip
Organizer stores them in (which is bad enough). Becaue they're linked to a
temporary file in the temporary internet files folder, when that folder is
cleaned out (which should be done periodically anyway), the sound file
actually gets deleted.

I can give you instructions to give to your students, but first I need to
know which version of PPT you're using.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

If my students download a sound from ClipsOnline, then it
won't play when they change computers. We receive a
message about "unable to find the sound in the temporary
internet files." Should a setting be changed since the
download location is "automatic"? PLEASE HELP!


.
 
Well, crud. I was right with the temporary internet files folder. If you
search for clips online via the clip art task pane and insert those MID
sounds directly into PPT from there, the actual path to them will be
something like this:

C:\Documents and Settings\EchoCompaq\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\EJYZ2L2B\sbouvdyr[1].mid

Those files will be deleted when the Temporary Internet Files folder is
cleared out -- and many systems are set to do so automatically. That will
definitely cause the students problems with broken links!

In this case, clicking the arrow beside the clip and choosing "Copy to
Collection" would prevent the problem. They still need, of course, an
always-available folder to serve as a collection area to copy to, though.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com


Echo S said:
Ok, thanks for that information.

I have to take back what I said about the temporary internet files folder --
that's not where the clips end up being stored, they're just unpacked there.

So here are the steps.

If your students use the clip organizer task pane and click "clips online,"
they're taken to the MS clipart site on Office Online.

There, after they choose which clips to download and click the download
button on the left, they should get an option to either Open or Save the
clip package (the MPF file). If they elect to Open the package, the clips
are automatically unpacked and installed into their clip organizer -- and it
opens up in a separate window to the folder where the clips are stored. (If
they elect to Save the package, the MPF file is saved to the harddrive
(wherever they specify), and they have to double-click to unpack and install
the clips. The Clip Organizer should still open, though.)

For some reason, I was thinking that opting to Save instead of Open the MPF
might help here, but it doesn't seem to.

Anyway, after the clips are unpacked and installed, clicking an arrow by the
clip in the clip organizer (or the clip organizer task pane) and choosing
Properties will show you the path to the clip. For instance, on my machine
it's this: C:\Documents and Settings\EchoCompaq\My Documents\My
Pictures\Microsoft Clip Organizer\BD14505_.mid Everything I download from
Office Online seems to end up in one of the folders in My Documents, to tell
the truth. There's probably a way around that, but I'm not sure exactly what
it is -- maybe one of the Clip MVPs will pop in and save me from myself
here. :-)

So if they click the arrow beside the clip, they also have an option to
"Move to Collection." I think you should set up a folder on the server to
serve as a collection for the kids to move their clips to. If you map it on
all the systems with the same drive letter, the path should remain the same
on all computers and the sound links won't be broken when the kids switch
computers.

Basically, I think you will have to teach the kids to use the Move to
Collection option to transfer the clips from deep within their My Documents
folder and onto a server folder before actually inserting the sound into
PPT.

Does that help at all, or does it just confuse the issue?

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com



AppsTeacher said:
It's PP 2002.
-----Original Message-----
I suspect that the students are downloading MID/MIDI files from the clips
online. Depending on how they do this, those files are unpacked to the
temporary internet files folder, and then inserted into the presentation.

If you ask me, it's a boneheaded thing on MS's part, because MID/MIDI files
aren't embedded into PPT files -- they're linked. And in your case, they're
not even just linked to the MID file in whatever folder Clip Gallery/Clip
Organizer stores them in (which is bad enough). Becaue they're linked to a
temporary file in the temporary internet files folder, when that folder is
cleaned out (which should be done periodically anyway), the sound file
actually gets deleted.

I can give you instructions to give to your students, but first I need to
know which version of PPT you're using.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

If my students download a sound from ClipsOnline, then it
won't play when they change computers. We receive a
message about "unable to find the sound in the temporary
internet files." Should a setting be changed since the
download location is "automatic"? PLEASE HELP!


.
 
Thanks for trying. It's comforting to know that someone
else figured out the same thing we did. I wonder if
they've improved this with PP03. It really is a no-
brainer on MS's part. Their program, their website, their
screwup. :~)
Have a great day!
-----Original Message-----
Well, crud. I was right with the temporary internet files folder. If you
search for clips online via the clip art task pane and insert those MID
sounds directly into PPT from there, the actual path to them will be
something like this:

C:\Documents and Settings\EchoCompaq\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\EJYZ2L2B\sbouvdyr[1].mid

Those files will be deleted when the Temporary Internet Files folder is
cleared out -- and many systems are set to do so automatically. That will
definitely cause the students problems with broken links!

In this case, clicking the arrow beside the clip and choosing "Copy to
Collection" would prevent the problem. They still need, of course, an
always-available folder to serve as a collection area to copy to, though.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com


Echo S said:
Ok, thanks for that information.

I have to take back what I said about the temporary
internet files
folder --
that's not where the clips end up being stored, they're
just unpacked
there.
So here are the steps.

If your students use the clip organizer task pane and
click "clips
online,"
they're taken to the MS clipart site on Office Online.

There, after they choose which clips to download and click the download
button on the left, they should get an option to either Open or Save the
clip package (the MPF file). If they elect to Open the package, the clips
are automatically unpacked and installed into their
clip organizer -- and
it
opens up in a separate window to the folder where the
clips are stored.
(If
they elect to Save the package, the MPF file is saved to the harddrive
(wherever they specify), and they have to double-click
to unpack and
install
the clips. The Clip Organizer should still open, though.)

For some reason, I was thinking that opting to Save
instead of Open the
MPF
might help here, but it doesn't seem to.

Anyway, after the clips are unpacked and installed,
clicking an arrow by
the
clip in the clip organizer (or the clip organizer task pane) and choosing
Properties will show you the path to the clip. For instance, on my machine
it's this: C:\Documents and Settings\EchoCompaq\My Documents\My
Pictures\Microsoft Clip Organizer\BD14505_.mid Everything I download from
Office Online seems to end up in one of the folders in
My Documents, to
tell
the truth. There's probably a way around that, but I'm
not sure exactly
what
it is -- maybe one of the Clip MVPs will pop in and save me from myself
here. :-)

So if they click the arrow beside the clip, they also have an option to
"Move to Collection." I think you should set up a folder on the server to
serve as a collection for the kids to move their clips
to. If you map it
on
all the systems with the same drive letter, the path
should remain the
same
on all computers and the sound links won't be broken when the kids switch
computers.

Basically, I think you will have to teach the kids to use the Move to
Collection option to transfer the clips from deep
within their My
Documents
folder and onto a server folder before actually inserting the sound into
PPT.

Does that help at all, or does it just confuse the issue?

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com



It's PP 2002.

-----Original Message-----
I suspect that the students are downloading MID/MIDI
files from the clips
online. Depending on how they do this, those files are
unpacked to the
temporary internet files folder, and then inserted into
the presentation.

If you ask me, it's a boneheaded thing on MS's part,
because MID/MIDI files
aren't embedded into PPT files -- they're linked. And in
your case, they're
not even just linked to the MID file in whatever folder
Clip Gallery/Clip
Organizer stores them in (which is bad enough). Becaue
they're linked to a
temporary file in the temporary internet files folder,
when that folder is
cleaned out (which should be done periodically anyway),
the sound file
actually gets deleted.

I can give you instructions to give to your students, but
first I need to
know which version of PPT you're using.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

in message
If my students download a sound from ClipsOnline, then
it
won't play when they change computers. We receive a
message about "unable to find the sound in the temporary
internet files." Should a setting be changed since the
download location is "automatic"? PLEASE HELP!


.


.
 
It works the same way in PPT 2003.

Unfortunately, inserting sound/video clips has always had this issue--and
probably always will since multimedia files are not embedded into PPT.
That's why I always recommend that people use Insert/Movies and Sounds/From
File as opposed to going through the clip gallery or organizer. That way you
at least know where on your harddrive the file lives--and it's best if you
just use the clip gallery/organizer to find the clip, then move/copy it to
the same folder with your presentation and insert it from there.

As far as I'm concerned, the clip gallery/organizer is a great idea in
theory, but in practice it is the pits as far as inserting multimedia into
PPT goes. It's great for embedded stuff like clipart and photos, but sounds
and video? No way.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

AppsTeacher said:
Thanks for trying. It's comforting to know that someone
else figured out the same thing we did. I wonder if
they've improved this with PP03. It really is a no-
brainer on MS's part. Their program, their website, their
screwup. :~)
Have a great day!
-----Original Message-----
Well, crud. I was right with the temporary internet files folder. If you
search for clips online via the clip art task pane and insert those MID
sounds directly into PPT from there, the actual path to them will be
something like this:

C:\Documents and Settings\EchoCompaq\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\EJYZ2L2B\sbouvdyr[1].mid

Those files will be deleted when the Temporary Internet Files folder is
cleared out -- and many systems are set to do so automatically. That will
definitely cause the students problems with broken links!

In this case, clicking the arrow beside the clip and choosing "Copy to
Collection" would prevent the problem. They still need, of course, an
always-available folder to serve as a collection area to copy to, though.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com


Echo S said:
Ok, thanks for that information.

I have to take back what I said about the temporary
internet files
folder --
that's not where the clips end up being stored, they're
just unpacked
there.
So here are the steps.

If your students use the clip organizer task pane and
click "clips
online,"
they're taken to the MS clipart site on Office Online.

There, after they choose which clips to download and click the download
button on the left, they should get an option to either Open or Save the
clip package (the MPF file). If they elect to Open the package, the clips
are automatically unpacked and installed into their
clip organizer -- and
it
opens up in a separate window to the folder where the
clips are stored.
(If
they elect to Save the package, the MPF file is saved to the harddrive
(wherever they specify), and they have to double-click
to unpack and
install
the clips. The Clip Organizer should still open, though.)

For some reason, I was thinking that opting to Save
instead of Open the
MPF
might help here, but it doesn't seem to.

Anyway, after the clips are unpacked and installed,
clicking an arrow by
the
clip in the clip organizer (or the clip organizer task pane) and choosing
Properties will show you the path to the clip. For instance, on my machine
it's this: C:\Documents and Settings\EchoCompaq\My Documents\My
Pictures\Microsoft Clip Organizer\BD14505_.mid Everything I download from
Office Online seems to end up in one of the folders in
My Documents, to
tell
the truth. There's probably a way around that, but I'm
not sure exactly
what
it is -- maybe one of the Clip MVPs will pop in and save me from myself
here. :-)

So if they click the arrow beside the clip, they also have an option to
"Move to Collection." I think you should set up a folder on the server to
serve as a collection for the kids to move their clips
to. If you map it
on
all the systems with the same drive letter, the path
should remain the
same
on all computers and the sound links won't be broken when the kids switch
computers.

Basically, I think you will have to teach the kids to use the Move to
Collection option to transfer the clips from deep
within their My
Documents
folder and onto a server folder before actually inserting the sound into
PPT.

Does that help at all, or does it just confuse the issue?

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com



It's PP 2002.

-----Original Message-----
I suspect that the students are downloading MID/MIDI
files from the clips
online. Depending on how they do this, those files are
unpacked to the
temporary internet files folder, and then inserted into
the presentation.

If you ask me, it's a boneheaded thing on MS's part,
because MID/MIDI files
aren't embedded into PPT files -- they're linked. And in
your case, they're
not even just linked to the MID file in whatever folder
Clip Gallery/Clip
Organizer stores them in (which is bad enough). Becaue
they're linked to a
temporary file in the temporary internet files folder,
when that folder is
cleaned out (which should be done periodically anyway),
the sound file
actually gets deleted.

I can give you instructions to give to your students, but
first I need to
know which version of PPT you're using.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

in message
If my students download a sound from ClipsOnline, then
it
won't play when they change computers. We receive a
message about "unable to find the sound in the temporary
internet files." Should a setting be changed since the
download location is "automatic"? PLEASE HELP!


.


.
 
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Hello,

PowerPoint does not include the ability to embed (not link) multimedia
formats other than *.WAV audio files (using the Insert -> Movies and Sounds
-> [ Sound from file | Sound from Clip Organizer | Record Sound ] commands)
that are smaller than the maximum embedded sound file size specified in the
General tab of the Tools -> Options dialog.

There are a variety of workarounds to make your presentations with linked
content more portable including:

* Pack and Go (PPT 2002 and earlier), or
* Package for CD in PowerPoint 2003
* Saving presentation in MHTML format (single file web page)
* Converting your audio files in to *.WAV files (using some external
<non-Office> tool) and re-inserting them (check the General tab of the
Options dialog to adjust linking threshold for sound files if necessary).

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in PowerPoint or that PowerPoint should provide better tools for managing
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