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Okay I have wireless router supplyied by my internet provider. I have a
desktop a attached to the router via ethernet cable and my laptop via
wireless. My internet works fine and in my network places it shows both
computers and I have access to the files on both computers. HOWEVER whenever
I try to use the "net send" to send a message to the other computer it says
they are not in this session? I would like to setup this network so that
both computers are the same and what I mean by that is that if I check my
email on one computer and goto the other computer it is exactly the same. I
think what I am talking about is a different kind of network. We have 3
people in the house and windows loads up and lets anyone of us logon with our
own personal settings and I would like both computers to be hooked up so that
when logging onto on computer and downloading something and then goto the
other computer and it is there as if I did the download on that computer. I
am not articulating myself well.. Anyhow I have a young son and he is on
messanger all the time and I am getting worried about certian things he is
discussing on there so the most important thing right now is to get that "net
send" command working so I am able to see the messages he is getting from my
computer. Can someone please help me with this?

Regards,

Rick
 
Okay I have wireless router supplyied by my internet provider. I have a
desktop a attached to the router via ethernet cable and my laptop via
wireless. My internet works fine and in my network places it shows both
computers and I have access to the files on both computers. HOWEVER whenever
I try to use the "net send" to send a message to the other computer it says
they are not in this session? I would like to setup this network so that
both computers are the same and what I mean by that is that if I check my
email on one computer and goto the other computer it is exactly the same. I
think what I am talking about is a different kind of network. We have 3
people in the house and windows loads up and lets anyone of us logon with our
own personal settings and I would like both computers to be hooked up so that
when logging onto on computer and downloading something and then goto the
other computer and it is there as if I did the download on that computer. I
am not articulating myself well.. Anyhow I have a young son and he is on
messanger all the time and I am getting worried about certian things he is
discussing on there so the most important thing right now is to get that "net
send" command working so I am able to see the messages he is getting from my
computer. Can someone please help me with this?

Regards,

Rick
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Rick,

"The "net send" messages are displayed by the Messenger service, which you
should NOT confuse with "MSN Messenger", "Windows Messenger", or any other IM
product.

Thanks to spammers sending broadcasts to the Messenger ports, many people
decided that the Messenger service presents a security risk, and advise that it
be disabled. With SP2, this service is disabled by default.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-computer.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-computer.html
<http://web.archive.org/web/20041130030655/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm#Messenger>
http://web.archive.org/web/20041130030655/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm#Messenger

Regardless of that, I'm not too sure what use you can actually make with the
Messenger service and "net send" towards controlling or even monitoring your
son's Instant Messenger ("MSN Messenger", "Windows Messenger", etc) use.
 
Chuck said:
Rick,

"The "net send" messages are displayed by the Messenger service, which you
should NOT confuse with "MSN Messenger", "Windows Messenger", or any other IM
product.

Thanks to spammers sending broadcasts to the Messenger ports, many people
decided that the Messenger service presents a security risk, and advise that it
be disabled. With SP2, this service is disabled by default.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-computer.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-computer.html
<http://web.archive.org/web/20041130030655/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm#Messenger>
http://web.archive.org/web/20041130030655/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm#Messenger

Regardless of that, I'm not too sure what use you can actually make with the
Messenger service and "net send" towards controlling or even monitoring your
son's Instant Messenger ("MSN Messenger", "Windows Messenger", etc) use.
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Thank you for your prompt response.. Okay well what I was trying to get at
is that for some reason it is saying that my son's computer is not in session
(whatever that means) and I have a program that allows me to monitor my son's
messages via msn messanger. The program see's my sons computer but does not
allow me to monitor it because again something do to with it not being in
session. As I stated before I can share files, printers ect however for some
reason it doesn't see my son's computer as logged on or something of that
nature? Can anyone help me with this? The program I am using is called
"etherboss msn messanger converstion monitor and sniffer". Thanks in
advance..

Regards,

Rick
 
Thank you for your prompt response.. Okay well what I was trying to get at
is that for some reason it is saying that my son's computer is not in session
(whatever that means) and I have a program that allows me to monitor my son's
messages via msn messanger. The program see's my sons computer but does not
allow me to monitor it because again something do to with it not being in
session. As I stated before I can share files, printers ect however for some
reason it doesn't see my son's computer as logged on or something of that
nature? Can anyone help me with this? The program I am using is called
"etherboss msn messanger converstion monitor and sniffer". Thanks in
advance..

Regards,

Rick
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Rick,

OK, I was able to locate the Etherboss product information online, and note what
I had suspected. There are two types of monitoring.
# Active. The computer being monitored has to have an agent program running on
it. The agent program intercepts the IM conversation, and rebroadcasts it onto
the LAN. This is not the problem here; as noted by Etherboss,

No additional program installation is needed on the monitoring target computers.
<http://www.softpile.com/Internet/Utilities/Review_21122_index.html>
http://www.softpile.com/Internet/Utilities/Review_21122_index.html

# Passive. All computers on the LAN participate in one large open conversation.
This is reminiscent of classical, hub-based Ethernet. You most likely have a
switch, which conducts any conversation between any 2 hosts on the LAN as a
separate conversation, accessible only to those hosts. As noted by Etherboss,

You may need to enable your switch's monitoring feature, which is supported by
most current switch, in order to capture conversations from other computers.

In my experience, when this type of network monitoring is done in a large
(corporate) LAN, TWO things have to be done.
# The switch has to be set to "promiscuous" mode, to enable broadcast of all
traffic to all nodes.
# The LAN card on the monitoring computer has to be set to "promiscuous" mode,
to enable that computer to receive conversations not intended for it.

If you have a problem with executing #1, no problem. In spite of the Etherboss
claim "supported by most current switch", which may or may not be true, simply
buy a HUB, and connect both the router / switch, and both computers, to the hub.

I'm not too sure what you do about executing #2. Not all Ethernet cards support
promiscuous mode. Did you do this on yours? Without being in promiscuous mode,
your card will likely see packets between your sons computer and the switch as
another conversation, and ignore them. Unless Etherboss actually hooks the
Ethernet drivers, and forces promiscuous mode automatically.

This may be a case for Etherboss Customer Support.
 
Chuck said:
Rick,

OK, I was able to locate the Etherboss product information online, and note what
I had suspected. There are two types of monitoring.
# Active. The computer being monitored has to have an agent program running on
it. The agent program intercepts the IM conversation, and rebroadcasts it onto
the LAN. This is not the problem here; as noted by Etherboss,

No additional program installation is needed on the monitoring target computers.
<http://www.softpile.com/Internet/Utilities/Review_21122_index.html>
http://www.softpile.com/Internet/Utilities/Review_21122_index.html

# Passive. All computers on the LAN participate in one large open conversation.
This is reminiscent of classical, hub-based Ethernet. You most likely have a
switch, which conducts any conversation between any 2 hosts on the LAN as a
separate conversation, accessible only to those hosts. As noted by Etherboss,

You may need to enable your switch's monitoring feature, which is supported by
most current switch, in order to capture conversations from other computers.

In my experience, when this type of network monitoring is done in a large
(corporate) LAN, TWO things have to be done.
# The switch has to be set to "promiscuous" mode, to enable broadcast of all
traffic to all nodes.
# The LAN card on the monitoring computer has to be set to "promiscuous" mode,
to enable that computer to receive conversations not intended for it.

If you have a problem with executing #1, no problem. In spite of the Etherboss
claim "supported by most current switch", which may or may not be true, simply
buy a HUB, and connect both the router / switch, and both computers, to the hub.

I'm not too sure what you do about executing #2. Not all Ethernet cards support
promiscuous mode. Did you do this on yours? Without being in promiscuous mode,
your card will likely see packets between your sons computer and the switch as
another conversation, and ignore them. Unless Etherboss actually hooks the
Ethernet drivers, and forces promiscuous mode automatically.

This may be a case for Etherboss Customer Support.
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Thank you so much for taking the time to try and help me! In fact you
helped me out a great deal!!! I do not know how to switch my network card to
promiscuous mode? If that is the case I would have to activate that on my
wireless lan card on my laptop as my son gets the good desktop computer lol.
You it's kinda funny I used to know so much about DOS systems I have been
around computers since 300 baud modems and XT pcs BBS's,ect ect.... However I
stopped for awhile after 98se and came back into it again and trying to catch
up... Anyhow thanks alot for your help and sorry for my computer related
ignorance..

Rick
 
Thank you so much for taking the time to try and help me! In fact you
helped me out a great deal!!! I do not know how to switch my network card to
promiscuous mode? If that is the case I would have to activate that on my
wireless lan card on my laptop as my son gets the good desktop computer lol.
You it's kinda funny I used to know so much about DOS systems I have been
around computers since 300 baud modems and XT pcs BBS's,ect ect.... However I
stopped for awhile after 98se and came back into it again and trying to catch
up... Anyhow thanks alot for your help and sorry for my computer related
ignorance..

Rick
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Glad to help, Rick. Classical Ethernet (before switches were anything but
expensive gadgets in high dollar corporate networks) had all computers on a bus,
in one big party line. If Computer A was sending to Computer B, Computers C, D,
and E would see the packets and know that they weren't for them. Only in
Promiscuous mode would Computer C read a packet any further than the destination
id. Like you would ignore conversations between the strangers on a crowded
airplane because they weren't talking to you.

As far as putting your network (Ethernet or WiFi) card into Promiscuous mode,
that's not mentioned in the product information. I'm suspecting that either:
1) Etherboss does that automatically.
2) Etherboss is not properly documented, or did not know that is necessary.
Having looked at the website I would toss a coin. Did you really pay $300?
Better make them earn the money - call them.

The first computer network that I worked on had (started with) a 96baud modem,
acoustically coupled. The 300 baud modem was a big step up for us. 9600baud
was later, and was unbelievably fast. HaHa. Time moves on though, and if you
can't change you can't exist here. No matter what you or I know today, that
will be useless in a year.
 
Chuck said:
Glad to help, Rick. Classical Ethernet (before switches were anything but
expensive gadgets in high dollar corporate networks) had all computers on a bus,
in one big party line. If Computer A was sending to Computer B, Computers C, D,
and E would see the packets and know that they weren't for them. Only in
Promiscuous mode would Computer C read a packet any further than the destination
id. Like you would ignore conversations between the strangers on a crowded
airplane because they weren't talking to you.

As far as putting your network (Ethernet or WiFi) card into Promiscuous mode,
that's not mentioned in the product information. I'm suspecting that either:
1) Etherboss does that automatically.
2) Etherboss is not properly documented, or did not know that is necessary.
Having looked at the website I would toss a coin. Did you really pay $300?
Better make them earn the money - call them.

The first computer network that I worked on had (started with) a 96baud modem,
acoustically coupled. The 300 baud modem was a big step up for us. 9600baud
was later, and was unbelievably fast. HaHa. Time moves on though, and if you
can't change you can't exist here. No matter what you or I know today, that
will be useless in a year.
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Wow another old school huh.. I do have to admit back in the BBS days ... It
was so different and more e Not to say what they are doing with technology
isn't great Ijust can't seem to forget that era. Anyhow yes I can adapt
quite well I just havn't taken the time to get read up. I was wondeirng if
you could direct me to a site that explains networks in great detail and all
the assoiciated info so I can learn...? Or even a good book. OH and no I
have not payed for that program as of yet I am telling them they would have
to get it working. Hey if you have a idea on how to do this without using
that particlar program hey I'm all ears ;). Anyhow again thanks very much
for all your help..

Regards,

Rick
 
Wow another old school huh.. I do have to admit back in the BBS days ... It
was so different and more e Not to say what they are doing with technology
isn't great Ijust can't seem to forget that era. Anyhow yes I can adapt
quite well I just havn't taken the time to get read up. I was wondeirng if
you could direct me to a site that explains networks in great detail and all
the assoiciated info so I can learn...? Or even a good book. OH and no I
have not payed for that program as of yet I am telling them they would have
to get it working. Hey if you have a idea on how to do this without using
that particlar program hey I'm all ears ;). Anyhow again thanks very much
for all your help..

Regards,

Rick
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Rick,

Browse thru my website. I'm working on what you're asking for - and if there
are holes, I generally write / fill holes on the fly. So ask questions when
they occur to you. Start at the Welcome page, then look at the Tutorial
selection. And follow the links.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html#Tutorials>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html#Tutorials

As far as a solution to your monitoring your son's Internet use, I would think
about that for a while. This is a techie forum, and we do like to use techie
solutions. For human relationships like you must surely have with your son,
though, you might want to consider a little trust (and occasional random
monitoring). And keep his computer in the open, not locked away in his bedroom.

Many parents, asking for help here, find that periodic honest talks with the
kids works wonders. With the right router and router log, you can probably keep
track of what websites he visits anyway. And being realistic, many parents find
that any electronic solutions, used without backup, simply motivate the kids to
learn how to bypass them. Which is good if you want a teenage computer freak,
not so good if you want a normal (are there any?) teenager.

But don't give up on the Etherboss product! Give them a chance to make it work.
We could both benefit from that. And I will look for alternate products, which
I know have been discussed here in the past.
 
Chuck said:
Rick,

Browse thru my website. I'm working on what you're asking for - and if there
are holes, I generally write / fill holes on the fly. So ask questions when
they occur to you. Start at the Welcome page, then look at the Tutorial
selection. And follow the links.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html#Tutorials>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html#Tutorials

As far as a solution to your monitoring your son's Internet use, I would think
about that for a while. This is a techie forum, and we do like to use techie
solutions. For human relationships like you must surely have with your son,
though, you might want to consider a little trust (and occasional random
monitoring). And keep his computer in the open, not locked away in his bedroom.

Many parents, asking for help here, find that periodic honest talks with the
kids works wonders. With the right router and router log, you can probably keep
track of what websites he visits anyway. And being realistic, many parents find
that any electronic solutions, used without backup, simply motivate the kids to
learn how to bypass them. Which is good if you want a teenage computer freak,
not so good if you want a normal (are there any?) teenager.

But don't give up on the Etherboss product! Give them a chance to make it work.
We could both benefit from that. And I will look for alternate products, which
I know have been discussed here in the past.
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Hello and again thank you for your help. Well the problem is my son is
mentally challanged he is accually 14 however has a mind of a 10 year old.
Thus the reason why I would like to be able to monitor things. My worry is
not so much him but the wierdo's out there and do not wish to read etvery
conversation however if II notice him talking with someone that has wierd
answers or set off red flags that Ihe might no consider wierd or set off
flags in my sons head. That is basicly where I stand. At 14 I don't expect
him to tell me everything I would just like to know that I can review things
if I feel something is amist...

Anyhow regarding etherboss okay I will strap a studded collar on those guys
and whip 'em until they get this working ;) Again thanks alot and yes I will
review your site.

Regards,

Rick
 
Hello and again thank you for your help. Well the problem is my son is
mentally challanged he is accually 14 however has a mind of a 10 year old.
Thus the reason why I would like to be able to monitor things. My worry is
not so much him but the wierdo's out there and do not wish to read etvery
conversation however if II notice him talking with someone that has wierd
answers or set off red flags that Ihe might no consider wierd or set off
flags in my sons head. That is basicly where I stand. At 14 I don't expect
him to tell me everything I would just like to know that I can review things
if I feel something is amist...

Anyhow regarding etherboss okay I will strap a studded collar on those guys
and whip 'em until they get this working ;) Again thanks alot and yes I will
review your site.

Regards,

Rick
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Rick,

In that case, and having thought about it, you might want to consider a VNC
solution. VNC puts an image of his desktop on yours. I use UltraVNC to support
a number of clients remotely, some on the other end of the country.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#UltraVNC>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#UltraVNC
 
Chuck said:
Rick,

In that case, and having thought about it, you might want to consider a VNC
solution. VNC puts an image of his desktop on yours. I use UltraVNC to support
a number of clients remotely, some on the other end of the country.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#UltraVNC>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#UltraVNC
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Okay great if I need any help installing it will you help?

Regards,

Rick
 
Okay great if I need any help installing it will you help?

Regards,

Rick
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Rick,

One of my email addresses is below. Email me your IM name (setup a new one if
you wish - they are free). I use Google, MSN / Windows, and Yahoo.
 
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