Painter 25, new paintprogram

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Painter 25, from http://www.jansfreeware.com/
is a very good paint program, in the same class as
Pixia. Small and quick like Pixia, and has a full
range of paint tools.

I think it is freeware, but not sure about it.
Works well in win98se.
 
S.O. Meone escreveu:
10-July-2004! Is that new?



See domain name.

S.O. Meone
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I tried this program.

Looks good, but the Undo function is broken (at least here: it destroys
the image instead of undoing), the help file is a joke, and seems that
it tries to use a custom theme on its window.


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Renan said:
I tried this program.

Looks good, but the Undo function is broken (at least here: it destroys
the image instead of undoing),
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I have no problems with the undo function, except that
it is limited to a certain number of undo's.
Okay, it is a little buggy, but it works most of the time.
the help file is a joke, and seems that
it tries to use a custom theme on its window.
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The help file works fine for me. I cannot understand that
you have problems with functions that work for me.

The program is a little buggy, but usable.
I tried it out for half an hour and it looks good to me.

By choosing spray can and adjusting color density and
step size you can lay on very thin layers of color.
 
Roger Johansson escreveu:
I have no problems with the undo function, except that
it is limited to a certain number of undo's.
Okay, it is a little buggy, but it works most of the time.
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I didn't try the program deeply.
The help file works fine for me. I cannot understand that
you have problems with functions that work for me.
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I think it is PEBKAC (Problem exists between keyboard and chair) here.
The program is a little buggy, but usable.
I tried it out for half an hour and it looks good to me.

By choosing spray can and adjusting color density and
step size you can lay on very thin layers of color.
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I will still need to test the program "in depth".
 
I will still need to test the program "in depth".
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Please do, and tell us about it.

It is an interesting alternative to Pixia.
It has no layers like Pixia has, but it has another strange system for
adding objects, a little like a program called Eve.
(Eve is a freeware prog for creating illustrations, object editor,
is working great but crippled by lousy export possibilities.)

The undo function seems to work like a stack of earlier versions, maybe
seven versions are saved. If you undo more than seven stages you get
back to the last version again. That is no problem as long as the user
understands that he can only use undo for maximum 7 steps back. Eight
clicks on the undo icon causes the same result as one click.

This is actually a feature, I just realized, because there is no
"redo", so if you are unsure what to "undo" you can step through the
last 7 versions over and over again, and you can choose which version
you want to continue with.
 
I agree. For complex image works, GIMP is the "800-pound gorilla" of
graphics, but for small works, nothing comes near PhotoFiltre.
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Are you two sure you are really talking about a paint program?
Photofiltre is great for photo processing and image effects, but hardly

a paint program. Its brushes are rudimentary and there are no layers.
As a paint program Pixia is far ahead of Photofiltre.

Gimp and Photoshop are the giants which can afford to be best both in
the paint section and the picture processing section, but who wants to
have hundreds of megabytes starting up all the engines? Gimp has never
worked more that 30 seconds without crashing in my win98se computers.

Pixia is a small, quick and very capable paint program. This new prog
from Jan is a contender in the lightweight paint class, not the image
processing class, even though it has a lot of effects too.

Painter 25 does not have classical layers, but it has another feature
which can be used in a similar way for certain objects you can place
floating above the rest of the picture. Painter 25 has the same
rightclick functions as Paintshop Pro, with color picker and clone
pickup, which makes it easier to learn, if you have some experience of
PSP.
 
Are you two sure you are really talking about a paint program?
Photofiltre is great for photo processing and image effects, but hardly
a paint program...
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...is a contender in the lightweight paint class, not the image
processing class...
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That's a useful distinction and a good one to keep in mind when
recommending graphics software. Someone looking to do web design or
retro pixellation is going to find frustration in trying to wrangle
purely paint programs into doing what he wants, while someone wanting to
make expressive sketches will have a hard time with the "mechanical"
constraints of a typical graphic editing program.

I've been noodling a bit with ArtWeaver, a relatively new paint program:

http://www.artweaver.de/index.php?en_version

and I'll say I'm mightily impressed. It's feature-rich, with a
pleasingly simple and sensible UI. A novice could go from a cold start
to banging out creations in a single evening.
 
CharlieDontSurf said:
I've been noodling a bit with ArtWeaver, a relatively new paint program:

and I'll say I'm mightily impressed. It's feature-rich, with a
pleasingly simple and sensible UI. A novice could go from a cold start
to banging out creations in a single evening.
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I have tried Artweaver for an hour now, and it is very interesting.
That's what I call a paint program :-)

Thanks.
 
Are you two sure you are really talking about a paint program?
Photofiltre is great for photo processing and image effects, but hardly

a paint program. Its brushes are rudimentary and there are no layers.
As a paint program Pixia is far ahead of Photofiltre.

Gimp and Photoshop are the giants which can afford to be best both in
the paint section and the picture processing section, but who wants to
have hundreds of megabytes starting up all the engines? Gimp has never
worked more that 30 seconds without crashing in my win98se computers.

Pixia is a small, quick and very capable paint program. This new prog
from Jan is a contender in the lightweight paint class, not the image
processing class, even though it has a lot of effects too.
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OK, I see what you're talking about, when it comes to working with
layers, I use Serif's Photoplus,

http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/software/PhotoPlus/default.asp

I totally agree with you about the Gimp, it's huge, slow and buggy.

I'm currently trying out this for a paint program:

http://www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html
 
I've been noodling a bit with ArtWeaver, a relatively new paint program:

http://www.artweaver.de/index.php?en_version

and I'll say I'm mightily impressed. It's feature-rich, with a
pleasingly simple and sensible UI. A novice could go from a cold start
to banging out creations in a single evening.
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This is realy good stuff, thank you for bringing it to our attention.
I tried most freeware image-editing and paint programs, can't believe I
missed this one, this is an absolute keeper.
 
At date 22 Dec 2005 05:58:09 -0800, Roger Johansson (roger4911
@gmail.com) wrote in article <1135259889.909368.92400
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, for newsgroup alt.comp.freeware:
Please do, and tell us about it.
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I used it a bit more.

Good points of the program:

1. Various drawing tools that aren't found even in higher-end software
(most image editors are aimed at photography, not at drawing).

2. Many different filters.

3. I discovered the problem with undo, seems to be:

a. Create a new image, draw anything
b. Open a saved image, and DO NOT EDIT IT
c. Click Undo - WHAM! it reverts to the old image (the one you created
in step A)


My complaints:

1. Some buttons on the toolbar do not behave as buttons; they behave
more like menus (they have an arrow to their right side), and the
buttons show the state of the selected tool.

2. There is no way to know which feature is selected: the buttons do not
change appearance when selected.

3. Doesn't follow "standards" for shortcuts (e.g. CTRL+Z does not undo)
 
Renan said:
a. Create a new image, draw anything
b. Open a saved image, and DO NOT EDIT IT
c. Click Undo - WHAM! it reverts to the old image (the one you created
in step A)
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Funny bug. Could even be seen as a feature, somehow.
My complaints:

1. Some buttons on the toolbar do not behave as buttons; they behave
more like menus (they have an arrow to their right side), and the
buttons show the state of the selected tool.

2. There is no way to know which feature is selected: the buttons do not
change appearance when selected.
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I noticed that too, but it is like that in many paint progs.
3. Doesn't follow "standards" for shortcuts (e.g. CTRL+Z does not undo)
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I noticed how stable Artweaver is. I have run it for hours now and
tried lots of crazy stuff, and it still runs like a clock.

I missed the wet look of oil colors in Deep Paint 2D, which was
available as freeware, a 50+MB prog, and still is, maybe. So I started
Deep Paint to compare it with Artweaver.

The difference is that Deep Paint 2D has lighting too, so it can do wet
color very realistically. But Deep Paint is not 100% stable on my
computer, it is a lot bigger, and starts a little slower than
Artweaver.
 
At date 24 Dec 2005 03:58:02 -0800, Roger Johansson ([email protected])
wrote in article <1135425482.171258.312060
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, for newsgroup alt.comp.freeware:
I noticed how stable Artweaver is. I have run it for hours now and
tried lots of crazy stuff, and it still runs like a clock.

I missed the wet look of oil colors in Deep Paint 2D, which was
available as freeware, a 50+MB prog, and still is, maybe. So I started
Deep Paint to compare it with Artweaver.
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I decided to look at Artweaver; looks like a very good program, has a
very Photoshop-like interface, but I will need to test it deeper.

Deep Paint seems to still be freeware, but the download is VERY slow
here.
 
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