G
Guest
I do not know how to set up my out look email what should I do?
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This one ought to get a good (cruel) wisecrack from Milly.
S
Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]
Check the web site for the company that you get your Internet access and email from. They should have those instructions for you.
--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for
Administrators, Power Users, and Developers
--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for
Administrators, Power Users, and Developers
M
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Not for the OP, but you will.
Why did you not provide the information, readily accessible (contact ISP for
instructions) but lurk quietly waiting for a response over which you were
salivating.? Really, anyone can provide assistance - I find your lack of
forthrightness downright despicable, rather than baiting the readers waiting
for a response from me. Had you done so, the OP would probably had their
mail up and running hours earlier.
Sheesh!!!! Go crawl back under your bridge.
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Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.
After furious head scratching, _ asked:
| This one ought to get a good (cruel) wisecrack from Milly.
Why did you not provide the information, readily accessible (contact ISP for
instructions) but lurk quietly waiting for a response over which you were
salivating.? Really, anyone can provide assistance - I find your lack of
forthrightness downright despicable, rather than baiting the readers waiting
for a response from me. Had you done so, the OP would probably had their
mail up and running hours earlier.
Sheesh!!!! Go crawl back under your bridge.
--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.
After furious head scratching, _ asked:
| This one ought to get a good (cruel) wisecrack from Milly.
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Just a timing issue. I have no doubt had you been the first responder it
would have been you who would have been despicable; mocking and reviling the
OP for such a question. I see it so often. Milly Staples, repeatedly Most
Vile Personage.
I "troll" (to move around, ramble; to fish by trailing a lure) (rather than
a grumpy character of fairy tale) this forum for information and am oft
appalled by the pleasure you seem to take in denigrating people.
I'm perversely fascinating by a character such as you who seems to delight
in lording your knowledge over those with less with often your own
despicable responses.
I confess that I placed my criticism of you in the wrong place. Better I
just bear witness to your bad behavior directly in those threads within
which you perform it far to often; but it occurred to me that my predictive
observation about your potential response might even defuse this situation,
but we'll not know because you didn't have the chance to get to get your
licks in first.
would have been you who would have been despicable; mocking and reviling the
OP for such a question. I see it so often. Milly Staples, repeatedly Most
Vile Personage.
I "troll" (to move around, ramble; to fish by trailing a lure) (rather than
a grumpy character of fairy tale) this forum for information and am oft
appalled by the pleasure you seem to take in denigrating people.
I'm perversely fascinating by a character such as you who seems to delight
in lording your knowledge over those with less with often your own
despicable responses.
I confess that I placed my criticism of you in the wrong place. Better I
just bear witness to your bad behavior directly in those threads within
which you perform it far to often; but it occurred to me that my predictive
observation about your potential response might even defuse this situation,
but we'll not know because you didn't have the chance to get to get your
licks in first.
R
Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]
Milly certainly needs no defense from a flame thrower, and I'll offer none.
But your angry comments convey a misunderstanding of public newsgroups and
how they work that I'd like you to consider.
Public newsgroups are not PSS. PSS is used by customers who want to exercise
their support options to speak to a paid professional about a problem.
Public newsgroups are used by end users who want to try to figure out a
problem on their own by asking peers to offer suggestions. The procedures
and conventions of public newsgroups are completely different than PSS and
are well documented:
When those conventions are followed, public newsgroups work well. Users post
clearly framed questions that convey both the problem and their level of
understanding of that problem so someone else can help them with a short
return post. When posts convey none of that information, things break down.
The easiest thing to do is just ignore such posts, but that just results in
an angry, insulting repeat post a few hours later.
In my world PSS is similar to the way we interact with patients while public
newsgroups are similar to the ways we interact with medical students,
interns, and residents. When an intern asks me a question that is unclear
and displays a lack of understanding of the fundamental principles involved
in solving a problem, I do not patiently spoon feed him or her an answer
(nor would you want me to). Instead, I challenge the questioner to go back
and learn the principles involved and to reframe a coherent question they
can then solve on their own when I'm not around. That's the way we all
learned what we need to know.
I do the same thing when I post here. Add to that a sense of humor that has
an edge to it but that is rarely conveyed correctly in the sterility of
typed words, and people are forever busting my chops over being rude or
impatient. It just goes with the territory.
But your angry comments convey a misunderstanding of public newsgroups and
how they work that I'd like you to consider.
Public newsgroups are not PSS. PSS is used by customers who want to exercise
their support options to speak to a paid professional about a problem.
Public newsgroups are used by end users who want to try to figure out a
problem on their own by asking peers to offer suggestions. The procedures
and conventions of public newsgroups are completely different than PSS and
are well documented:
When those conventions are followed, public newsgroups work well. Users post
clearly framed questions that convey both the problem and their level of
understanding of that problem so someone else can help them with a short
return post. When posts convey none of that information, things break down.
The easiest thing to do is just ignore such posts, but that just results in
an angry, insulting repeat post a few hours later.
In my world PSS is similar to the way we interact with patients while public
newsgroups are similar to the ways we interact with medical students,
interns, and residents. When an intern asks me a question that is unclear
and displays a lack of understanding of the fundamental principles involved
in solving a problem, I do not patiently spoon feed him or her an answer
(nor would you want me to). Instead, I challenge the questioner to go back
and learn the principles involved and to reframe a coherent question they
can then solve on their own when I'm not around. That's the way we all
learned what we need to know.
I do the same thing when I post here. Add to that a sense of humor that has
an edge to it but that is rarely conveyed correctly in the sterility of
typed words, and people are forever busting my chops over being rude or
impatient. It just goes with the territory.
M
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
<Stepping down to the poster's level - I know, I really shouldn't>
So, please find a response from me to a poster who asks how to set up their
mail where I revile them, call them names, or otherwise speak down to them.
Can't do it? Here, let me help you out:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=s...81&as_maxd=9&as_maxm=7&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&
--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.
After furious head scratching, _ asked:
| Just a timing issue. I have no doubt had you been the first responder
| it would have been you who would have been despicable; mocking and
| reviling the OP for such a question. I see it so often. Milly
| Staples, repeatedly Most Vile Personage.
|
| I "troll" (to move around, ramble; to fish by trailing a lure)
| (rather than a grumpy character of fairy tale) this forum for
| information and am oft appalled by the pleasure you seem to take in
| denigrating people.
|
| I'm perversely fascinating by a character such as you who seems to
| delight in lording your knowledge over those with less with often
| your own despicable responses.
|
| I confess that I placed my criticism of you in the wrong place.
| Better I just bear witness to your bad behavior directly in those
| threads within which you perform it far to often; but it occurred to
| me that my predictive observation about your potential response might
| even defuse this situation, but we'll not know because you didn't
| have the chance to get to get your licks in first.
So, please find a response from me to a poster who asks how to set up their
mail where I revile them, call them names, or otherwise speak down to them.
Can't do it? Here, let me help you out:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=s...81&as_maxd=9&as_maxm=7&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&
--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.
After furious head scratching, _ asked:
| Just a timing issue. I have no doubt had you been the first responder
| it would have been you who would have been despicable; mocking and
| reviling the OP for such a question. I see it so often. Milly
| Staples, repeatedly Most Vile Personage.
|
| I "troll" (to move around, ramble; to fish by trailing a lure)
| (rather than a grumpy character of fairy tale) this forum for
| information and am oft appalled by the pleasure you seem to take in
| denigrating people.
|
| I'm perversely fascinating by a character such as you who seems to
| delight in lording your knowledge over those with less with often
| your own despicable responses.
|
| I confess that I placed my criticism of you in the wrong place.
| Better I just bear witness to your bad behavior directly in those
| threads within which you perform it far to often; but it occurred to
| me that my predictive observation about your potential response might
| even defuse this situation, but we'll not know because you didn't
| have the chance to get to get your licks in first.
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_
Russ, I've read many posting made by you and have never found you to be
rude or unpleasant and certainly never have found you to even approach
cruelty.
I understand about this being a public newsgroup. I know how newsgroups
work, but participating a public newsgroup doesn't give one permission to be
mean-spirited and to hurl insults at people just because they may not be as
informed as someone else. I also understand about the difficulty of
conveying humour and irony in written text although a guy like Mark Twain -
to posit just one example - did pretty well.
Milly Staples is obviously very well informed. I've remarked on that before.
She is also often quite rude and unpleasant even when she is imparting her
wisdom to the troubled, head scratching masses, but worse yet she is also
quite cruel and hurtful far too often as well. Just because someone is
intelligent and more informed doesn't not grant one permission to be mean
and hurtful to anyone. I find cruelty unacceptable under any circumstances
and I find that those who resort to it are demished by it far more than
those who are the target of such cruelty. It's been my experience reading
this forum for quite a while that Milly runs the habit of descending into
cruelty on a regular basis. I guess I am so aware of this that it was the
first thing that popped into my head when I read the beginning post in this
thread; believing it to be just the kind of thing (well...one of many) that
usually unleashes Milly's ire.
Milly may not have been unpleasant or cruel while reviling anyone posting a
question about setting up a mail account in Outlook but she has certainly
been cruel dealing with other subjects. I believe it is important to shine a
light on such behavior and as I wrote previously, my mistake was to have
made any reference to it prior to her doing so. I'll not respond to Milly's
"defense" in this post directly, but rather let this stand as that assuming
she'll read this.
rude or unpleasant and certainly never have found you to even approach
cruelty.
I understand about this being a public newsgroup. I know how newsgroups
work, but participating a public newsgroup doesn't give one permission to be
mean-spirited and to hurl insults at people just because they may not be as
informed as someone else. I also understand about the difficulty of
conveying humour and irony in written text although a guy like Mark Twain -
to posit just one example - did pretty well.
Milly Staples is obviously very well informed. I've remarked on that before.
She is also often quite rude and unpleasant even when she is imparting her
wisdom to the troubled, head scratching masses, but worse yet she is also
quite cruel and hurtful far too often as well. Just because someone is
intelligent and more informed doesn't not grant one permission to be mean
and hurtful to anyone. I find cruelty unacceptable under any circumstances
and I find that those who resort to it are demished by it far more than
those who are the target of such cruelty. It's been my experience reading
this forum for quite a while that Milly runs the habit of descending into
cruelty on a regular basis. I guess I am so aware of this that it was the
first thing that popped into my head when I read the beginning post in this
thread; believing it to be just the kind of thing (well...one of many) that
usually unleashes Milly's ire.
Milly may not have been unpleasant or cruel while reviling anyone posting a
question about setting up a mail account in Outlook but she has certainly
been cruel dealing with other subjects. I believe it is important to shine a
light on such behavior and as I wrote previously, my mistake was to have
made any reference to it prior to her doing so. I'll not respond to Milly's
"defense" in this post directly, but rather let this stand as that assuming
she'll read this.
M
Milly Staples - MVP Outlook
Pathetic.
Those who can, help, Those who can't, complain.
--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.
After furious head scratching, _ asked:
| Russ, I've read many posting made by you and have never found you to
| be rude or unpleasant and certainly never have found you to even
| approach cruelty.
| I understand about this being a public newsgroup. I know how
| newsgroups work, but participating a public newsgroup doesn't give
| one permission to be mean-spirited and to hurl insults at people just
| because they may not be as informed as someone else. I also
| understand about the difficulty of conveying humour and irony in
| written text although a guy like Mark Twain - to posit just one
| example - did pretty well.
|
| Milly Staples is obviously very well informed. I've remarked on that
| before. She is also often quite rude and unpleasant even when she is
| imparting her wisdom to the troubled, head scratching masses, but
| worse yet she is also quite cruel and hurtful far too often as well.
| Just because someone is intelligent and more informed doesn't not
| grant one permission to be mean and hurtful to anyone. I find cruelty
| unacceptable under any circumstances and I find that those who resort
| to it are demished by it far more than those who are the target of
| such cruelty. It's been my experience reading this forum for quite a
| while that Milly runs the habit of descending into cruelty on a
| regular basis. I guess I am so aware of this that it was the first
| thing that popped into my head when I read the beginning post in this
| thread; believing it to be just the kind of thing (well...one of
| many) that usually unleashes Milly's ire.
|
| Milly may not have been unpleasant or cruel while reviling anyone
| posting a question about setting up a mail account in Outlook but she
| has certainly been cruel dealing with other subjects. I believe it is
| important to shine a light on such behavior and as I wrote
| previously, my mistake was to have made any reference to it prior to
| her doing so. I'll not respond to Milly's "defense" in this post
| directly, but rather let this stand as that assuming she'll read this.
Those who can, help, Those who can't, complain.
--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.
After furious head scratching, _ asked:
| Russ, I've read many posting made by you and have never found you to
| be rude or unpleasant and certainly never have found you to even
| approach cruelty.
| I understand about this being a public newsgroup. I know how
| newsgroups work, but participating a public newsgroup doesn't give
| one permission to be mean-spirited and to hurl insults at people just
| because they may not be as informed as someone else. I also
| understand about the difficulty of conveying humour and irony in
| written text although a guy like Mark Twain - to posit just one
| example - did pretty well.
|
| Milly Staples is obviously very well informed. I've remarked on that
| before. She is also often quite rude and unpleasant even when she is
| imparting her wisdom to the troubled, head scratching masses, but
| worse yet she is also quite cruel and hurtful far too often as well.
| Just because someone is intelligent and more informed doesn't not
| grant one permission to be mean and hurtful to anyone. I find cruelty
| unacceptable under any circumstances and I find that those who resort
| to it are demished by it far more than those who are the target of
| such cruelty. It's been my experience reading this forum for quite a
| while that Milly runs the habit of descending into cruelty on a
| regular basis. I guess I am so aware of this that it was the first
| thing that popped into my head when I read the beginning post in this
| thread; believing it to be just the kind of thing (well...one of
| many) that usually unleashes Milly's ire.
|
| Milly may not have been unpleasant or cruel while reviling anyone
| posting a question about setting up a mail account in Outlook but she
| has certainly been cruel dealing with other subjects. I believe it is
| important to shine a light on such behavior and as I wrote
| previously, my mistake was to have made any reference to it prior to
| her doing so. I'll not respond to Milly's "defense" in this post
| directly, but rather let this stand as that assuming she'll read this.
P
Patrick Schmid
Why should anyone take you serious? You do what everyone who has
launched a personal attack on any of the regular responders here
(including the one who called me a jerk) does, namely post anonymously.
Yet, none of those attacked responders hide their identity. In contrast,
many of us provide links to our websites directly in our posts, or at
the very least our full real names that can be easily used to look up
real life information about us (in Milly's case, just look up her MVP
profile).
If you have a problem with the way anyone posts here, say so using your
real name and email address. If you don't have the guts to do that, then
just keep your mouth shut.
Patrick Schmid
launched a personal attack on any of the regular responders here
(including the one who called me a jerk) does, namely post anonymously.
Yet, none of those attacked responders hide their identity. In contrast,
many of us provide links to our websites directly in our posts, or at
the very least our full real names that can be easily used to look up
real life information about us (in Milly's case, just look up her MVP
profile).
If you have a problem with the way anyone posts here, say so using your
real name and email address. If you don't have the guts to do that, then
just keep your mouth shut.
Patrick Schmid
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Those who can, help, Those who can't, complain.
First, I don't claim to be the expert you do but if I did possess the
knowledge and skill you have I wouldn't use it as an excuse for questionable
behavior. These things are not necessarily connected, and those who can help
needn't be cruel in the process...and sometimes you leave out the help
entirely and only dish out the cruelty. In what social sphere is that
acceptable behavior?
Anonymity has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of people who post on
this and other forums with "screen names" and "aliases" who are not
criticized for being doing so nor accused of "hiding their identity" as Mr.
Schmid suggest.
And my posting "anonymously" doesn't invalidate my opinion which I have the
right to express in a public forum. When posting on a public forum such as
this, we all run the risk of others expressing their opinions about our
behavior, including yours of mine, just as I expressed my opinion of yours,
but somehow only mine is deemed inappropriate. Interesting double standard.
First, I don't claim to be the expert you do but if I did possess the
knowledge and skill you have I wouldn't use it as an excuse for questionable
behavior. These things are not necessarily connected, and those who can help
needn't be cruel in the process...and sometimes you leave out the help
entirely and only dish out the cruelty. In what social sphere is that
acceptable behavior?
Anonymity has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of people who post on
this and other forums with "screen names" and "aliases" who are not
criticized for being doing so nor accused of "hiding their identity" as Mr.
Schmid suggest.
And my posting "anonymously" doesn't invalidate my opinion which I have the
right to express in a public forum. When posting on a public forum such as
this, we all run the risk of others expressing their opinions about our
behavior, including yours of mine, just as I expressed my opinion of yours,
but somehow only mine is deemed inappropriate. Interesting double standard.
P
Patrick Schmid
Anonymity has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of people who
post on
a big difference between asking for help using an anonymous nick versus
launching a personal attack on someone who is not anonymous. Your
behavior is equivalent to shooting or stabbing someone from behind,
which are both despicable in the eyes of most societies worldwide.
people and have also earned the respect of all the others replying. You
on the other hand are just a cowardly troll in the eyes of the community
replying here. So, what did you expect?
You need to earn respect first before you can dash out critic in cases
where you weren't even the one who received the, in your eyes, offensive
reply.
Patrick Schmid
post on
Sure there are. But not one of those personally attack others. There is
a big difference between asking for help using an anonymous nick versus
launching a personal attack on someone who is not anonymous. Your
behavior is equivalent to shooting or stabbing someone from behind,
which are both despicable in the eyes of most societies worldwide.
The people replying here volunteer several hours a day by helping other
people and have also earned the respect of all the others replying. You
on the other hand are just a cowardly troll in the eyes of the community
replying here. So, what did you expect?
You need to earn respect first before you can dash out critic in cases
where you weren't even the one who received the, in your eyes, offensive
reply.
Patrick Schmid
M
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Listen, unless you have a specific instance to complain about, simply
labelling my responses as cruel shows your lack of understanding of the
English language and its usage.
You are now on my banned list of people to whom I will respond. Wasting my
time with you only takes away from the time I can spend actually helping
someone who has a clearly articulated problem, as opposed to you who simply
labels my posts as cruel and vindictive without any backup or justification.
Goodbye - it has NOT been a pleasure.
--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.
After furious head scratching, _ asked:
| > Those who can, help, Those who can't, complain.
|
| First, I don't claim to be the expert you do but if I did possess the
| knowledge and skill you have I wouldn't use it as an excuse for
| questionable behavior. These things are not necessarily connected,
| and those who can help needn't be cruel in the process...and
| sometimes you leave out the help entirely and only dish out the
| cruelty. In what social sphere is that acceptable behavior?
|
| Anonymity has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of people who
| post on this and other forums with "screen names" and "aliases" who
| are not criticized for being doing so nor accused of "hiding their
| identity" as Mr. Schmid suggest.
|
| And my posting "anonymously" doesn't invalidate my opinion which I
| have the right to express in a public forum. When posting on a public
| forum such as this, we all run the risk of others expressing their
| opinions about our behavior, including yours of mine, just as I
| expressed my opinion of yours, but somehow only mine is deemed
| inappropriate. Interesting double standard.
labelling my responses as cruel shows your lack of understanding of the
English language and its usage.
You are now on my banned list of people to whom I will respond. Wasting my
time with you only takes away from the time I can spend actually helping
someone who has a clearly articulated problem, as opposed to you who simply
labels my posts as cruel and vindictive without any backup or justification.
Goodbye - it has NOT been a pleasure.
--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.
After furious head scratching, _ asked:
| > Those who can, help, Those who can't, complain.
|
| First, I don't claim to be the expert you do but if I did possess the
| knowledge and skill you have I wouldn't use it as an excuse for
| questionable behavior. These things are not necessarily connected,
| and those who can help needn't be cruel in the process...and
| sometimes you leave out the help entirely and only dish out the
| cruelty. In what social sphere is that acceptable behavior?
|
| Anonymity has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of people who
| post on this and other forums with "screen names" and "aliases" who
| are not criticized for being doing so nor accused of "hiding their
| identity" as Mr. Schmid suggest.
|
| And my posting "anonymously" doesn't invalidate my opinion which I
| have the right to express in a public forum. When posting on a public
| forum such as this, we all run the risk of others expressing their
| opinions about our behavior, including yours of mine, just as I
| expressed my opinion of yours, but somehow only mine is deemed
| inappropriate. Interesting double standard.
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_
behavior is equivalent to shooting or stabbing someone from behind,
There is no bodily harm being met out or being sustained. And there is no
"from behind" in a forum. I'm right here taking your criticism. It's an
absurd metaphor.
I expect exactly what I am getting. Your opinion of my behavior. I have no
problem with you expressing it, nor do I have any problem trying to come to
my own conclusion as to it's validity.
It's called a dialogue. Wherein lies the cowardly behavior?
You and everyone on this forum has the same "access" to me as I do of all of
you. There is no disparity here.
There is no bodily harm being met out or being sustained. And there is no
"from behind" in a forum. I'm right here taking your criticism. It's an
absurd metaphor.
I expect exactly what I am getting. Your opinion of my behavior. I have no
problem with you expressing it, nor do I have any problem trying to come to
my own conclusion as to it's validity.
It's called a dialogue. Wherein lies the cowardly behavior?
You and everyone on this forum has the same "access" to me as I do of all of
you. There is no disparity here.
L
Laura \( '_' \)
I agree "_"
Milly is probably just an old smelly trout with nothing better to do!
Milly is probably just an old smelly trout with nothing better to do!
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