NTLDR missing

[borge]

I was given an IBM with pentium 3. It has a SCSI 9gb drive. I intend
that for my wife's use but want to install an 80GB IDE which was lying
spare.
Found where to plug it in and also to use F1 to get to the BIOS.
The IDE came out of my computer and was partitioned as C: and D:
C: containing the OS, I got the error "If that is the first time etc".

I formatted the first partition (OS)(in another computer) and now with
'cable select' the IDE insists on being the master drive with the
NTLDR missing. SCSI comes up as Drive 1 instead of 0 just before the
error.
I would prefer to have the SCSI which contains XP Pro as the master
and IDE as slave - is it possible, Please anybody.

Borge,Perth

 

[Dave Patrick]

Not really an operating system issue. I'm sure it's doable but check your
mobo manual on this.

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|I was given an IBM with pentium 3. It has a SCSI 9gb drive. I intend
| that for my wife's use but want to install an 80GB IDE which was lying
| spare.
| Found where to plug it in and also to use F1 to get to the BIOS.
| The IDE came out of my computer and was partitioned as C: and D:
| C: containing the OS, I got the error "If that is the first time etc".
|
| I formatted the first partition (OS)(in another computer) and now with
| 'cable select' the IDE insists on being the master drive with the
| NTLDR missing. SCSI comes up as Drive 1 instead of 0 just before the
| error.
| I would prefer to have the SCSI which contains XP Pro as the master
| and IDE as slave - is it possible, Please anybody.
|
| Borge,Perth

 

[PA20Pilot]

Hi,

There's at least a couple of things that might be preventing you for
getting it going. First, do you have the SCSI on the end of the primary
motherboard ribbon, and the ide in the middle? Have you tried the scsi
on the primary MB controller and the ide on the secondary? Also try not
using the cable select option on the drives. Also try one drive at a
time and adding in the second. Also, disconnect your CDrom while you're
fooling around. It's easy enough to hook up later on.
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[Dave Patrick]

Not possible to connect SCSI and IDE to the same controller.

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:
| Hi,
|
| There's at least a couple of things that might be preventing you for
| getting it going. First, do you have the SCSI on the end of the primary
| motherboard ribbon, and the ide in the middle? Have you tried the scsi
| on the primary MB controller and the ide on the secondary? Also try not
| using the cable select option on the drives. Also try one drive at a
| time and adding in the second. Also, disconnect your CDrom while you're
| fooling around. It's easy enough to hook up later on.
| --
|
| ---==X={}=X==---
|
|
| Jim Self
| AVIATION ANIMATION, the internet's largest depository.
| http://avanimation.avsupport.com
|
| Your only internet source for spiral staircase plans.
| http://jself.com/stair/Stair.htm
|
| Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA)
| Technical Counselor
|
|

 

[Yor Suiris]

You will have to change your BIOS so that the System Boots from the SCSI.
Check your MB manual/website.

 

[William W. Plummer]

Not possible to connect SCSI and IDE to the same controller.

My ASUS MB has a pair of EIDE drives and an SATA drive. The latter is
configured as "SCSI" in the BIOS setup routine.

 

[Dave Patrick]

Thanks but as far as I can tell this doesn't relate to the current issue.

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:
| My ASUS MB has a pair of EIDE drives and an SATA drive. The latter is
| configured as "SCSI" in the BIOS setup routine.

 

[Bob I]

I have formatted an IDE as an EXTENDED partition before so that the
drive would not be picked up before a Primary on a "secondary" header
before. Perhaps this would work in your case.

 

[Guest]

Many computer's BIOS has a setting for whether to boot from SCSI or IDE
(epecially if the motherboard has built-in SCSI), or sometimes you can select
the boot devices individually, or at least set the order of them. It may be
that if there is no setting to boot from the SCSI, if you disable booting from
the IDE (or any hard drive), it may then boot from the SCSI drive - the SCSI
BIOS may do this, even if you don't see a setting for it.

Making the IDE partition(s) extended instead of primary ones may help, since
it won't try to boot from a non-primary partition.

|I have formatted an IDE as an EXTENDED partition before so that the
|drive would not be picked up before a Primary on a "secondary" header
|before. Perhaps this would work in your case.
|
|borge wrote:
|
|> I was given an IBM with pentium 3. It has a SCSI 9gb drive. I intend
|> that for my wife's use but want to install an 80GB IDE which was lying
|> spare.
|> Found where to plug it in and also to use F1 to get to the BIOS.
|> The IDE came out of my computer and was partitioned as C: and D:
|> C: containing the OS, I got the error "If that is the first time etc".
|>
|> I formatted the first partition (OS)(in another computer) and now with
|> 'cable select' the IDE insists on being the master drive with the
|> NTLDR missing. SCSI comes up as Drive 1 instead of 0 just before the
|> error.
|> I would prefer to have the SCSI which contains XP Pro as the master
|> and IDE as slave - is it possible, Please anybody.
|>
|> Borge,Perth
|>
|

 

[borge]

Many computer's BIOS has a setting for whether to boot from SCSI or IDE
(epecially if the motherboard has built-in SCSI), or sometimes you can select
the boot devices individually, or at least set the order of them. It may be
that if there is no setting to boot from the SCSI, if you disable booting from
the IDE (or any hard drive), it may then boot from the SCSI drive - the SCSI
BIOS may do this, even if you don't see a setting for it.

Making the IDE partition(s) extended instead of primary ones may help, since
it won't try to boot from a non-primary partition.

|I have formatted an IDE as an EXTENDED partition before so that the
|drive would not be picked up before a Primary on a "secondary" header
|before. Perhaps this would work in your case.
|
|borge wrote:
|
|> I was given an IBM with pentium 3. It has a SCSI 9gb drive. I intend
|> that for my wife's use but want to install an 80GB IDE which was lying
|> spare.
|> Found where to plug it in and also to use F1 to get to the BIOS.
|> The IDE came out of my computer and was partitioned as C: and D:
|> C: containing the OS, I got the error "If that is the first time etc".
|>
|> I formatted the first partition (OS)(in another computer) and now with
|> 'cable select' the IDE insists on being the master drive with the
|> NTLDR missing. SCSI comes up as Drive 1 instead of 0 just before the
|> error.
|> I would prefer to have the SCSI which contains XP Pro as the master
|> and IDE as slave - is it possible, Please anybody.
|>
|> Borge,Perth
|>
|

Thanks for all the help given so far. The MB appears to be like all
other MB's except there is a massive 6 slots on board. One of the
slots is taken up by the ScSi board and another by a video board. The
usual slots are there for CD's floppies and IDE's. I have of course
tried to set up XP Pro on the 80Gb and the SCSI was then moved down to
disk 3. Trouble with that is that without information on the MB and
the Video card the computer works on 4 colours and with as coarse a
screen as you can imagine.

Like an idiot I copied all the drivers from the SCSI setup on to the
Drivers for the 80G board and that gave me an 'invisible screen' so if
I have to go that way I shall have to format and re-install XP or even
2000 which I prefer.

Maybe as we are going to operate in the same room and I have a router
on mine, it might be as well to leave the IBM as the workstation it
was meant to be and find another use for the 80GB.

With 400GB, I am sure that I can spare 50 or so

Borge, Perth
For your information, my stats are:
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440 MB memory
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60 GB of disc space,Oly C2100
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