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Dave Bullar

I have an older computer with winxp prof as operating system (and win98 by
dual-boot).
Have just ordered a faster new machine with no op system.
How do I go about installing winxp on the new machine and presumably taking
it off the old one?
and what do I have to do to get the move approved by Microsoft?
Any help or pointers appreciated

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The answer to you question is probably not one you want to hear but, you
cannot transfer or install the OS to the new PC. You will have to purchase a
licensed copy to install on the new computer (full retail version)

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Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI
 
Is the WinXP OEM? Retail Upgrade? If either then one of your
computers will be without an OS.
Case 1 - OEM - OEM can only reside on the PC originally installed
(one of the reasons it is cheaper), and cannot be transferred to
another PC, at least legally by EULA.
Case 2 - Retail Upgrade - since Win98 was used as a base license
for upgrading to WinXP, then the 2 are tied together - thus if XP is
moved to the new PC, the Win98 license goes with it, thus leaving the
original PC without an OS, at least legally by EULA.
 
Michael said:
The answer to you question is probably not one you want to hear but,
you cannot transfer or install the OS to the new PC. You will have to
purchase a licensed copy to install on the new computer (full retail
version)
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*Do* get your facts straight before posting. Where in his posting did he say
the old computer 'came with XP'?!

1) If the licence on the old system is OEM then, yes, it's tied to it
forever.

2) If the licence is an upgrade it's only valid as long as he still has
the *original* qualifying product.

3) If he does have the original QP, then he can, quite legally, transfer
it to the new system. He simply has to boot from the XP CD and insert the
qualifying media when prompted.

But, if it does transpire to be OEM then, yes, you're perfectly correct.
 
If Dave does not intend to use the old PC anymore, would he not be able to
first install his Win98 and than upgrade to WinXP? After all he paid for the
OS once.
Gerry
 
Dave Bullar said:
I have an older computer with winxp prof as operating system (and win98 by
dual-boot).
Have just ordered a faster new machine with no op system.
How do I go about installing winxp on the new machine and presumably taking
it off the old one?
and what do I have to do to get the move approved by Microsoft?
Any help or pointers appreciated

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This article may be of interest to you:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/expert/crawford_november12.mspx
As the article indicates, you need to install Windows before using the Files
and Settings Transfer Wizard in Windows XP.

Understand that the license for XP is itself married to your old hardware.
If it was installed at the time you purchased it (by the OEM, which means
Original Equipment Manufacture) then there is no chance that you can
transfer that XP CD to your new machine and you will have to go buy the full
(not an upgrade) version of XP-Home or XP-Pro (I'd stay with Pro since
that's what you'd be importing from using the above mentioned Wizard, and
I'm not sure you can import to a XP-Home what came from a XP-Pro machine).

You will not be able to install an update version of either type of XP to
the new machine unless you also possess the full version CD of a previous
version of Windows that was licensed to whoever the new license is going to
be for. Again, an OEM version of Windows will not work.

Assuming you have the full retail version CD of XP-Pro that you installed on
the machine you are going to retire, when you install it on the new machine
and try to register it you will probably get locked out on the new machine
and have to call Microsoft for a new activation code. You can try this, and
explain during the call what you are doing, and maybe they'll give you a new
activation code and maybe they will not (it's their call per the license).
Personal information may be required. If they say no (and I think they will
say no) then you'll have to go buy the appropriate XP CD and then do the
import method mentioned above.
 
But with your 3rd option, wouldn't here legally be in violation of the EULA
because his QP was registered on the old computer as well? Just a thought.

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Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI
 
Michael said:
But with your 3rd option, wouldn't here legally be in violation of
the EULA because his QP was registered on the old computer as well?
Just a thought.
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*SIGH* Where did you get the qualifications you claim to have - eBay?! You
don't appear to know /anything/!

If 98 was OEM then it cannot be transferred and it cannot be used as a QP on
the new system, therefore he will need to purchase the flavour of his
choice. If 98 is retail then, as long as he removes it from the old system,
it can be used as a QP on the new. QPs (as you should know) don't need to be
installed, the media just needs to be inserted when prompted. Though it's
not exactly legal, as 98 doesn't need to be installed, he could leave 98 on
the old system and merely use the disc to qualify XP on the new.

He will then be required to format the drive on the old system and reinstall
98 (if he wishes). Once he has XP on the new system, telephone activation
will - most likely - be required (unless it's been more than 120 days
between installations then he can probably reactivate online).

That clear enough for you?
 
As far as the certs go, I got a great deal on them -- 2 more and I'll get a
set of steak knives!

As for the licensing, I will admit that I am a little weak in that subject
(This is something that I will remedy). I sometimes think Microsoft should
have a certification track for licensing -- MCLP (Microsoft Certified
Licensing Professional). Cool, now all I need is one more to reach my goal.

One more thing, I can take a joke just like the next person. I have no
problem with that. But do not ever insult my intelligence again. The fact
that a person is unclear about something does not make them an idiot. As I
said I can take it, but I have read post from you before. And I do not
appreciate the way you talk to people looking for help.

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Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI
 
Greetings --

Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not transferable),
simply remove WinXP from the computer it is currently on, and install
it onto the new one. If it's been more than 120 days since you last
activated that specific Product Key, you'll most likely be able to
activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you
might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


Bruce Chambers
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Greetings --

This would be correct only if the OP has an OEM license. Retail
licenses are transferable.

Bruce Chambers
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having both at once. - RAH
 
Thanks for your comments.
Yes I have a legally purchased copy of win98 and a later legally purchased
and registered copy of XPprof on my old computer. Now I assume I can install
XP from the disc that I have onto the new computer and use it on both
machines while I transfer data across from old to new. Then I shall have to
phone microsoft within a month? and get the new computer registered and the
old one taken off. I will leave the win98 on the old machine.
I was looking for any snags with this and if possible, tips about
transferring the data.

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Michael said:
As far as the certs go, I got a great deal on them -- 2 more and I'll
get a set of steak knives!

As for the licensing, I will admit that I am a little weak in that
subject (This is something that I will remedy). I sometimes think
Microsoft should have a certification track for licensing -- MCLP
(Microsoft Certified Licensing Professional). Cool, now all I need is
one more to reach my goal.

One more thing, I can take a joke just like the next person. I have no
problem with that. But do not ever insult my intelligence again. The
fact that a person is unclear about something does not make them an
idiot. As I said I can take it, but I have read post from you before.
And I do not appreciate the way you talk to people looking for help.
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There is a phrase for people like you - brown-nosers, and I don't like them.
If you shoved your head any further up MS's collective arse, you'd be
speaking for them.

This isn't the first time I've seen an inaccurate post from you. Oh I know
why you're doing it, you want to be an MVP so badly - well it doesn't work
like that buddy, no one wants to work with someone who tries to be teacher's
pet.

What is your goal exactly? You think if you have a full set of MS
qualifications they'll automatically make you an MVP? Sort of a reward for
passing all their exams? You have to *EARN* an MVPship and I've yet to see
you post anything worthy of it. There are people posting here who have
degrees in some form of computer-related field and they're not MVPs. It
takes a helluva lot more work to gain a degree than some poxy MS cert. A
five year old could pass an A+ certificate! An MSCE? OK, I'll concede that
would probably require a 13-year-old. I've got several, but I don't
advertise them. You do it because you think it will make you more likely to
gain what your little heart has always desired - but it won't. All people
will see is a pathetic brown-noser.

You pitched up here less than a fortnight ago and more or less your first
post was "How do I become an MVP" as if it was another certificate you could
add to your already unimpressive collection. Having certificates doesn't
mean you know anything - most of them are completely worthless. No employer
that I've come across cares two hoots about A+, i-Net or MS certification,
because they don't prove you know anything. All they prove is you can tick
the right boxes - well a trained monkey can do that!

If you are *EVER* made MVP then it will discredit the entire programme.
 
Dave said:
I have an older computer with winxp prof as operating system (and win98 by
dual-boot).
Have just ordered a faster new machine with no op system.
How do I go about installing winxp on the new machine and presumably taking
it off the old one?
and what do I have to do to get the move approved by Microsoft?
Any help or pointers appreciated
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Two cases. If the system concerned was an OEM one, either coming
pre-installed or bought with hardware and marked 'for supply only on a
New computer' or similar wording, then its license was solely to that
machine and it may not be installed on another.

If it was a retail one in a box, you can simply install on the new, and
remove from the old once data and so on have been transferred. When it
comes to activation, if it is more than 120 days since you last did it,
you will find it will go through on the net just like first time. If
not, you will have to phone a toll-free number that will be given, to
explain and swap one long number for another to check back as you type
it in
 
I suddenly realized why you have "Miss" in front of you name. Could it be
that no one in their right mind can stand to be near you? I have proxied
these posts for sometime now. I would have posted sooner but it was
individuals like you who stopped me. Why in the world would anyone come to
you for advice -- except in how to commit suicide? Which is why I started to
"help" individuals with their computer related problems -- not demoralize
them. I really do not see the need for that.

I just deleted nearly half of this post because I do not feel the need to
justify anything to a person like you. Tell you what, you keep doing
whatever it is you do and I keep doing my best to help those that need
helping. I cannot help but to feel sorry for you in some strange way. Not to
worry though, I will still manage to sleep well tonight. If you feel the
need to critize people all the time, then please do it somewhere else. I am
done with you.

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Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI
 
Michael said:
I suddenly realized why you have "Miss" in front of you name. Could
it be that no one in their right mind can stand to be near you? I
have proxied these posts for sometime now. I would have posted sooner
but it was individuals like you who stopped me. Why in the world
would anyone come to you for advice -- except in how to commit
suicide? Which is why I started to "help" individuals with their
computer related problems -- not demoralize them. I really do not see
the need for that.
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Erm, that's all well and good except for one small point - you've never
actually 'helped' anyone - your 'advice' is misleading, inaccurate or, more
often than not, just plain *WRONG*!! I know all about those certification
exams, they're multiple choice - you have a 33 or 25% chance of bring
right - any idiot can guess enough right answers to pass! All I'm asking is
that you do some research before posting - you could end up causing some
clueless newbie to irreparably damage their new system. You're not related
to Andew the Eejit by any chance are you...?

I just deleted nearly half of this post because I do not feel the
need to justify anything to a person like you. Tell you what, you
keep doing whatever it is you do and I keep doing my best to help
those that need helping.
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Please seek help for that delusion - you've never helped *anyone* (see
previous paragraph). You could, however, end up by destroying someone's
system; and I hope that, /when/ that happens (because it will, eventually)
they track you down and sue you for the damage.


I cannot help but to feel sorry for you in
 
I know all about those certification exams, they're multiple choice - you have a 33 or 25% chance of bring right - any idiot can guess enough right answers to pass!

33 to 25% chance of being right?!? The by all calculations, a person, or idiot as *you* put it, would still fail an exam... Go someplace else to whine. As far as I have seen and read, you leave slimy trail behind you in every newsgroup...

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Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI
 
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