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What does it take to become Microsoft Certified Parter?
How come some MCP sell new PC's with totaly inapropiate settings (FAT32 etc.)?
How come some MCP sell PC's with pirated software (Office, Nero etc.)?
Does someone have to do something to earn the "Build for Windows XP" logo or
is it just a marketing trick?
 
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| What does it take to become Microsoft Certified Parter?
| How come some MCP sell new PC's with totaly inapropiate settings (FAT32 etc.)?
| How come some MCP sell PC's with pirated software (Office, Nero etc.)?
| Does someone have to do something to earn the "Build for Windows XP" logo or
| is it just a marketing trick?
 
What does it take to become Microsoft Certified Parter?
How come some MCP sell new PC's with totaly inapropiate settings (FAT32 etc.)?
How come some MCP sell PC's with pirated software (Office, Nero etc.)?
Does someone have to do something to earn the "Build for Windows XP" logo or
is it just a marketing trick?
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Anyone can say they are a MCP or even a Systems Builder, anyone can
install pirated software, anyone can hire incompetent people....

Certifications from MS don't carry any weight with people that are in
the I.T. world, in fact, most times, when people spout their certs as
one of their qualifications it's a good sign that you don't want to hire
or use them for anything.

FAT32 is not a bad thing, often used by large companies for
installations - as an example, the starting partition type for Levono
T60 laptops from IBM is FAT32, but the installer also runs a conversion
to NTFS.

Nero comes in many OEM versions, and it often included with CDRW/DVDRW
drives from vendors.

As for Built For Windows XP logo - many times the logo is applied for
systems that were not actually tested - as a system would have to be
retested with every new BIOS, new Video card, etc...

Hope this opens your eyes.
 
K_Spasov said:
What does it take to become Microsoft Certified Parter?
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What's a "parter"?
How come some MCP sell new PC's with totaly inapropiate settings (FAT32
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It starts with selling an inappropriate toy operating system.
etc.)? How come some MCP sell PC's with pirated software (Office, Nero
etc.)?
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So they can make higher profits.
Does someone have to do something to earn the "Build for Windows
XP" logo or is it just a marketing trick?
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EVERYTHING coming out of Redmond is a marketing trick.

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Certifications from MS don't carry any weight with people that are in
the I.T. world, in fact, most times, when people spout their certs as
one of their qualifications it's a good sign that you don't want to
hire or use them for anything.
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Well Leythos, that MAY be true in your eyes, but in my experience, it was
the recruiting agencies that are all about certifications. I even saw a
posting for a network administrator, for $35K-$40K, MSCE required.
Ridiculous.

When I was laid off in 2003, I was the head of the IT department of a
company with about 150 employees in 2 different locations and 250
workstations, remote users, VPN's, several DC's, backup DC's, WAN's, the
whole deal. I had ZERO interviews with actual company personnel because I
couldn't get past the recruiters. At most, the recruiters qualified me
for $10/hour tech jobs........IF I got (the totally outdated) A+
certification.

After being out of work for a year, I had to do something, so I was
forced to go back to the electronics field (it had been years), mainly
product design.

Where exactly are all of these company IT departments that aren't too hip
on MS certs. ?

Regards,

DanS
 
Well Leythos, that MAY be true in your eyes, but in my experience, it was
the recruiting agencies that are all about certifications. I even saw a
posting for a network administrator, for $35K-$40K, MSCE required.
Ridiculous.

When I was laid off in 2003, I was the head of the IT department of a
company with about 150 employees in 2 different locations and 250
workstations, remote users, VPN's, several DC's, backup DC's, WAN's, the
whole deal. I had ZERO interviews with actual company personnel because I
couldn't get past the recruiters. At most, the recruiters qualified me
for $10/hour tech jobs........IF I got (the totally outdated) A+
certification.

After being out of work for a year, I had to do something, so I was
forced to go back to the electronics field (it had been years), mainly
product design.

Where exactly are all of these company IT departments that aren't too hip
on MS certs. ?
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I can see running into that problem, but the places you get hired that
want the certs are places that you should not be working - places where
you're just another number. Why not start your own consulting business?

Many places don't use recruiters, in fact, most places don't use them,
only those larger companies and body shops use them.

While I don't know enough about you, I would suggest that you look in
different areas of the field or approach it differently.

I left a directors position 4 years ago when they wanted me to fire a
group of my guys to make the other departments numbers not look as bad,
and it's been nothing but the best growth, best decision, something I
should have done a LONG time ago. Yea, it's hard to make that leap, but,
if you have the drive and ambition and the ethics, you won't be sorry.
 
I can see running into that problem, but the places you get hired that
want the certs are places that you should not be working - places
where you're just another number. Why not start your own consulting
business?

Many places don't use recruiters, in fact, most places don't use them,
only those larger companies and body shops use them.

While I don't know enough about you, I would suggest that you look in
different areas of the field or approach it differently.

I left a directors position 4 years ago when they wanted me to fire a
group of my guys to make the other departments numbers not look as
bad, and it's been nothing but the best growth, best decision,
something I should have done a LONG time ago. Yea, it's hard to make
that leap, but, if you have the drive and ambition and the ethics, you
won't be sorry.
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I have thought about venturing out on my own often, but there are many
stumbling blocks. Money being one of them. Unfortunately, when the
company closed that I did have the IT position in, it was only 6 months
after purchasing a new home. Now, I live paycheck to paycheck just to pay
the mortgage, keep the utilities on, and eat at least one decent meal a
day. There's no way I could do consulting work during regular business
hours.

Since I have always been an employee, I would not even have any idea on
how to get a business like that started.


DanS
 
I have thought about venturing out on my own often, but there are many
stumbling blocks. Money being one of them. Unfortunately, when the
company closed that I did have the IT position in, it was only 6 months
after purchasing a new home. Now, I live paycheck to paycheck just to pay
the mortgage, keep the utilities on, and eat at least one decent meal a
day. There's no way I could do consulting work during regular business
hours.

Since I have always been an employee, I would not even have any idea on
how to get a business like that started.
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While we've moved OT in this group, you can feel free to contact me via
email (see my munged sig below) and we can chat about ideas and ways to
get started.

While you are working, you can still provide services in the evening and
on weekends, I've worked 7d/w for the last 4 years building the
business, started without any clients and without any money to start
with, and have things going in the right direction. It's not as hard as
it seems, looking back, it's just something that takes a LOT of personal
drive, personal determination, and being able to work when you don't
really feel like working.

When I made this choice, to quit my last job, that meant I didn't
qualify for any unemployment benefits, had a wife and 3 kids (and three
+100# dogs) and a unhealthy amount of debt, but I made it work and now
my company provides support and design services for companies all over
the US and India. You can do it, and you can get started in the evening
and weekends, it will just take a little longer that way.
 
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