Microsoft Antispyware for SP1

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I know that Defender Beta only works for XP SP2, but I don't want to
load SP2. Is MS's older AntiSpyware still available anywhere?
 
_DD said:
I know that Defender Beta only works for XP SP2, but I don't want to
load SP2. Is MS's older AntiSpyware still available anywhere?
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Let's see, Microsoft's Antispyware is in BETA and SP2 is not yet you
trust the BETA over a final product. Can you explain this "logic"?

Alias
 
DD,

You can download the 'torrent' file here:
http://isohunt.com/btDetails.php?ihq=m+AntiSpyware&id=7797086
It's a 1k file. To actually download the Microsoft Antispyware application
you will need a program that recognizes torrent files, such as BitTorrent.
Install BitTorrent, then click the 1k .torrent file downloaded previously.
For the record, I only advocate downloading free applications from these
torrent sites. I don't think there's a problem here since the program was
free and then discontinued. I still use Microsoft Antispyware on my computer
and still receive definition updates for it (April 27 at 3:52 PM).

Drew
 
"I don't want to load SP2."

Why not? Soon enough, it will be required for any further security updates.
Not having it is like ignoring a factory recall on a critical component of
your vehicle.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
"I don't want to load SP2."

Why not? Soon enough, it will be required for any further security updates.
Not having it is like ignoring a factory recall on a critical component of
your vehicle.
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Hi Rick,

I keep a few different machines set up with different environments for
testing software. Main development machines must have SP2 for
compatibility with new Visual Studio versions, but I don't want to
convert all to SP2 yet.

In fact, I've had more problems with the SP2 machines since
converting, so given the choice, I would have preferred to stay with
SP1 (don't need the limited firewall in SP2, or the bugs).
 
Let's see, Microsoft's Antispyware is in BETA and SP2 is not yet you
trust the BETA over a final product. Can you explain this "logic"?

Alias
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Not sure I follow your logic either, Alias. I want to stay with SP1
on this particular machine, and that requires the older version of MS
AntiSpyware. Neither of those are in beta.
 
_DD said:
Not sure I follow your logic either, Alias. I want to stay with SP1
on this particular machine, and that requires the older version of MS
AntiSpyware. Neither of those are in beta.
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The MS AntiSpyware most certainly is in BETA, as is its successor,
Defender. Why do you want to stay with SP1 and not secure your computer
with SP2?

Alias
 
Hi,

No major bugs in SP2 that I am aware of. For your test environments, you
might want to consider and alternative by using Virtual Machines. This way
the host is protected, but you can set up each VM as you please (including
using unsupported scenarios, outdated OS's, and not just Windows).

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
_DD said:
Not sure I follow your logic either, Alias. I want to stay with SP1
on this particular machine, and that requires the older version of MS
AntiSpyware. Neither of those are in beta.
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MSASS is most definitely BETA software. So is MS Surrender. Beta
software is meant to be used for testing purposes only.

So what are you testing?

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
Rick said:
"I don't want to load SP2."

Why not? Soon enough, it will be required for any further security
updates. Not having it is like ignoring a factory recall on a
critical component of your vehicle.
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LOL! SP1 won't be retired until MS comes out with SP3, and when exactly
will that be? A year or more away?

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
Didn't say SP1 would be retired, I said further updates will eventually
require that SP2 be installed. It's that file dependency thing....replace a
plastic part with a metal one, then stress the part. If you haven't made the
replacement, the part will break. Come to think of it, might break even if
you have.....<g>.

By the by, haven't heard word one on SP3, so I'd guess that it's a lot
further out than a year. MS's resources will likely concentrate on Vista
through the end of '06, where they will turn after that I do not know.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
The MS AntiSpyware most certainly is in BETA, as is its successor,
Defender. Why do you want to stay with SP1 and not secure your computer
with SP2?
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Alias, My question was in regard to your original comment:
" Let's see, Microsoft's Antispyware is in BETA and SP2 is not yet you
trust the BETA over a final product. Can you explain this "logic"?
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What did you mean by 'Beta' vs 'Final Product'? "Trust Antispyware
over SP2" would be a non sequitur, wouldn't it?

Also, I suppose there is some measure of security in SP2, but I don't
see the minimal SP2 firewall obviating the need for a real firewall
and Nat. So aside from compatibility issues, what is the compelling
need for SP2?
 
You can download the 'torrent' file here:
http://isohunt.com/btDetails.php?ihq=m+AntiSpyware&id=7797086
It's a 1k file. To actually download the Microsoft Antispyware application
you will need a program that recognizes torrent files, such as BitTorrent.
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Thanks, Drew! I always wondered about BitTorrent. Still not sure
about the internals (sharing concerns, etc) but that was easier than I
expected.

DL'd Antispyware. No buggers found with it or other scanners, so I
still have to find the reason for IE's occasional CPU binges. Maybe a
bug in a normal plugin, as suggested elsewhere.
 
Hi,

No major bugs in SP2 that I am aware of.
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I've always looked at SP1 vs SP2 as trading off a different set of
bugs. The latest SP2 bug that I've seen is the battery-drain issue
with USB drivers. Very relevant to laptops, as battery life is often
shortened drastically:

http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=2693&p=1
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/28/toms_hardware_uncovers_power_drain_issue/

[..Microsoft acknowledged to TG Daily that they believe the problem
[ our engineers observed to have been caused by a misbehaving driver
[ included in Windows XP SP2 - specifically, the Advanced
[ Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) driver

I don't think that is fixed yet, except for a hand-applied registry
patch that does not survive through a hibernate cycle. Manufacturers
who use internal USB channels for cameras, etc. are stuck...no fix.
It's common to see battery life on a new Dell Inspiron E1705 Duo Core,
for instance, of just a couple hours with or without the reg patch.

I've run into other odd problems on machines immediately after loading
SP2. That includes sporadic notices of drive corruption which cannot
be fixed by any known Scandisk options. (I've seen this reported by
others as well). Stuff like that.
For your test environments, you
might want to consider and alternative by using Virtual Machines. This way
the host is protected, but you can set up each VM as you please (including
using unsupported scenarios, outdated OS's, and not just Windows).
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An excellent idea, Rick. I've been running multiple boot partitions
on several machines, but I guess I could run a VM with Win98, etc.
which I haven't bothered with for a while.

I've ended up running SP1 quite a bit on non-devel machines, as it's
still out there in volume and I need to test on that platform. To be
honest, I've had less trouble with it than with SP2. But 'yer milage'
and all that...
 
_DD said:
Alias, My question was in regard to your original comment:


What did you mean by 'Beta' vs 'Final Product'? "Trust Antispyware
over SP2" would be a non sequitur, wouldn't it?
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SP2 is not in BETA. The antispyware is.
Also, I suppose there is some measure of security in SP2, but I don't
see the minimal SP2 firewall obviating the need for a real firewall
and Nat. So aside from compatibility issues, what is the compelling
need for SP2?
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Millions of lines of new code. It's practically a new OS. You're foolish
to be doubting it rather than installing it. I would, if I were you,
however, do some research on how to prepare for an SP2 installation.

Alias, who doesn't use the XP firewall.
 
Millions of lines of new code. It's practically a new OS. You're foolish
to be doubting it rather than installing it. I would, if I were you,
however, do some research on how to prepare for an SP2 installation.
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PS: I was wondering if had tangible features in mind when you advised
moving all machines to SP2. I know SP2 has more lines of code. I
have done quite a few SP2 installs, including all development machines
(a requirement for Visual Studio 2005). The original question was in
regard to SP1 partitions that are set up for testing software. I
thought I had said all of this.

In general, I have had more problems with SP2 than with SP1. That
varies by machine. Glad to hear that you haven't had any problems
with SP2 though.
 
Didn't say SP1 would be retired, I said further updates will eventually
require that SP2 be installed. It's that file dependency thing....replace a
plastic part with a metal one, then stress the part. If you haven't made the
replacement, the part will break. Come to think of it, might break even if
you have.....<g>.
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Not even a question of breaking sometimes. New Microsoft development
systems require SP2. I'm just not convinced that SP2 is the metal
part. <g>
 
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