Logging into network

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We have a simple LAN setup going through a pass-through router.

Previously, we had as the main computer a Windows 2000 SP4 machine. When I
would connect to that machine from a different computer (via WinExplorer or
Network Places), a login pop-up would appear. I would then login as an
account on the main computer and receive the appropriate accesses.

I just installed WinXP Pro on that machine, and although everything behaves
correctly, when I access that computer from another machine, the shared
folders just appear, no login necessary. How do I make it so that a pop-up
requires you to login as a user on that machine before you can access shares
in the same fashion as Win2K?

Simple network... WORKGROUP
IP's are all 192.168.0.x
subs are all 255.255.255.0

TIA
-GitterDone
 
We have a simple LAN setup going through a pass-through router.

Previously, we had as the main computer a Windows 2000 SP4 machine. When I
would connect to that machine from a different computer (via WinExplorer or
Network Places), a login pop-up would appear. I would then login as an
account on the main computer and receive the appropriate accesses.

I just installed WinXP Pro on that machine, and although everything behaves
correctly, when I access that computer from another machine, the shared
folders just appear, no login necessary. How do I make it so that a pop-up
requires you to login as a user on that machine before you can access shares
in the same fashion as Win2K?

Simple network... WORKGROUP
IP's are all 192.168.0.x
subs are all 255.255.255.0

TIA
-GitterDone
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On any XP Pro computer, check to see if Simple File Sharing (Control Panel -
Folder Options - View - Advanced settings) is enabled or disabled. With XP Pro,
you need to have SFS disabled.

On XP Pro with SFS disabled, check the Local Security Policies (Control Panel -
Administrative Tools). Under Local Policies - Security Options, look at
"Network access: Sharing and security model", and ensure it's set to "Classic -
local users authenticate as themselves". Then make sure the same accounts are
setup as they were under Windows 2000.

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Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
As you have observed there are many differences between [net]working with
2000 and XP.

XP is capable of establishing and 'managing' peer-to-peer networking, which
is OK for households and small businesses, especially when there isn't a
'service' provided by one PC to the rest. This may inlcude an email server
[Microsoft Exchange Server] or a small business accounting application such
as MYOB or Quickbooks.

Under the peer-to-peer networking environment, Microsoft has taken the view
that it is being setup and managed by other than a network specialist. Thus
its simple permissions apply unless you go deeper and set more specifc
permissions.

If you simply allow 'File and Printer Sharing' it does just that - no
exclusions or exceptions.

Now if you only want to allow certain folders or printers to be shared: you
have to set specific 'shareing' properties [or rules]. Again quite simple,
but just one level deeper into the understanding of the 'system' and
something most users of XP will never need to perform.

To share a drive or folder on the network
Open Windows Explorer, and then locate the drive or folder you want to share.

Right-click the drive or folder, and then click Sharing and Security.

If you are sharing a drive, on the Sharing tab, click If you understand the
risk but still want to share the root of the drive, click here.

If you are sharing a folder, go to the next step.

Do one of the following:
If the Share this folder on the network check box is available, select the
check box.
If the Share this folder on the network check box is not available, this
computer is not on a network.

If you would like to set up a home or small office network, click the
Network Setup Wizard link and follow the instructions to turn on file
sharing. Once file sharing is enabled, begin this procedure again.

Again, it is also possible to 'right click' a specific folder and set
sharing in the same manner as described above.

Password protection doesn't really come into XP in sharing: one allows a
share or not. To secure your documents from others being able to make
changes you should set properties for esch: right click on the file and
choose properties...explore this at your leisure.
 
Chuck said:
On any XP Pro computer, check to see if Simple File Sharing (Control Panel -
Folder Options - View - Advanced settings) is enabled or disabled. With XP Pro,
you need to have SFS disabled.

On XP Pro with SFS disabled, check the Local Security Policies (Control Panel -
Administrative Tools). Under Local Policies - Security Options, look at
"Network access: Sharing and security model", and ensure it's set to "Classic -
local users authenticate as themselves". Then make sure the same accounts are
setup as they were under Windows 2000.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
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Thanks Chuck, that seemed to solve one problem, but created another! = )

After doing as you advised, I then created 2 new shares to add to the 2
already created originally. I accessed the network computer and was not
prompted to login. The 2 original shares were able to be accessed. The 2 new
shares were visible, but after clicking them, I received a 'permission
denied' error.

I then used another computer to access the network, and this one had never
accessed the network before I had made the change. This time, after clicking
the machine to connect, I was prompted to login (just like under Win2K).
After logging in, all 4 shares were accessible, no permission denied errors
at all.

I have re-booted all machines several times, but I cannot 'force' the first
machine to login. Everytime I access the network machine, I'm just allowed in
with no login prompt, and only allowed access to the 2 original shares. Any
idea on how I can reset this so I'm required to login...?

- GitterDone
 
Thanks Chuck, that seemed to solve one problem, but created another! = )

After doing as you advised, I then created 2 new shares to add to the 2
already created originally. I accessed the network computer and was not
prompted to login. The 2 original shares were able to be accessed. The 2 new
shares were visible, but after clicking them, I received a 'permission
denied' error.

I then used another computer to access the network, and this one had never
accessed the network before I had made the change. This time, after clicking
the machine to connect, I was prompted to login (just like under Win2K).
After logging in, all 4 shares were accessible, no permission denied errors
at all.

I have re-booted all machines several times, but I cannot 'force' the first
machine to login. Everytime I access the network machine, I'm just allowed in
with no login prompt, and only allowed access to the 2 original shares. Any
idea on how I can reset this so I'm required to login...?

- GitterDone
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GD,

The access after prompt / access without prompt is based upon authentication.
If you login to Computer A with an account / password also setup on Computer B,
you'll be able to access Computer B without the login prompt popping up, if the
account used has access to the share in question. If you login to Computer A
with an account that's NOT on Computer B, or if the account does NOT have access
to the share in question, you'll still get the login prompt.

When you're logging in to the first computer (which CAN'T access the shares in
question), then to the second computer (which CAN access the shares in
question), are you using the same account, with identical password? Are both
computer running XP Pro, with Advanced File Sharing, and Classic authentication?

You might want to check permissions for the 2 new shares (Security - Advanced)
and see if it's the same as for the 2 original shares. Ownership of the shares
might be relevant here.

Is this confusing? It sure is confusing to write about. Windows XP sharing is
supposed to provide compatibility to Windows 9x/ME as well as NT/2K, depending
upon how you set it up. But there's so many options along the way. For the
final answer, the Microsoft white paper accessed here is the best authority
IMHO:
<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...db-aef8-4bef-925e-7ac9be791028&DisplayLang=en>

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
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