Is "Whidbey" going to de-skill developers ?

[Fresh Air Rider]

Hi

I understand that ASP.net 2.0 (Whidbey) is going to reduce coding by
70%.

Surely this is going to de-skill or dumb down the developers task and
open up the task to less qualified and trained staff.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

 

[Nick Malik [Microsoft]]

I answered in the c sharp newsgroup.

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[Moonraker]

Hi

I understand that ASP.net 2.0 (Whidbey) is going to reduce coding by
70%.

Surely this is going to de-skill or dumb down the developers task and
open up the task to less qualified and trained staff.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

It's kind of crazy.

Since, if anything HTML de-skilled forms programming as much as humanly
possible.

Then. ASPX tried to turn web coding back into compiled code.

Now, they are making ASPX easy again.

I think people will just go with LAMP ( Linux/Apache/mYSql/PHP ).

 

[Daniel O'Connell [C# MVP]]

It's kind of crazy.

Since, if anything HTML de-skilled forms programming as much as humanly
possible.

Then. ASPX tried to turn web coding back into compiled code.

Now, they are making ASPX easy again.

I think people will just go with LAMP ( Linux/Apache/mYSql/PHP ).

Ya, that sounds good.
Cheap, easy, bad practices, fly-by-night error handling, no security. The
wonders of PHP.

If anything, PHP has done more to kill the mean skills of web
designers\coders than any other technology in existance.

 

[Guest]

coming from a background of coding in c and assembler and using DOS to drive
the world its obvious that windows made for easy computing skills and its
progression for programming skills has been dumbed down. I guess that for the
internet that to keep up a good skill base would be to use PERL, C#or for
apps C++ or c# or maybe java at a push. I used ASP from its infancy and it
had plenty of scope for artistic license for designing web pages and
connecting to d/bases plus using third party programmes like jmail etc. .net
has dumbed down the whole enterprise to the effect that everybody and their
dog can now programme which has the knock on effect of over crowding the IT /
Internet industry. What should happen ?
Lets go back to the old days of coding and for the people who can't hack it
then tough, let them get a job elsewhere that their talents point to.

 

[Bishoy Ghaly]

Hi there,

After reading the whole discussion i would like to tell everyone to look
at the BRIGHT SIDE of it, Yes new features in .NET is going to give the
opportunity for alot of ppl to enter the IT world and others to make
applications that they could never make with the old tools,

BUT it also gives us the Gurus the opportunity to CUT the efforts we spend
in developing repetetive tasks like the "role based authentication" for
example :- we all agree on its archticture BUT each of us have his own
implementation, so why not use the ready made and well tested and supported
implementation and save time for other Business Ruled tasks, and why we
always think at the dark side of things ?

actually i just moved to C# lately from a big comptenet (Borland Delphi) and
i was really happy with the tools Borland provide untill i found that .NET
is the future of my carrier so i moved up to C# and still keeping my other
skills in Delphi for win32 assignments

so please at least calculate the profits along with the losses ;-)

 

[Guest]

wholly a good argument but cutting loose to let anybody try programming is
not a good way of improving. For example, bad error handling, poor coding
techniques
are more prevalent in wannabe coders and it stays that way with their work
because they do not learn disciplined techniques ( not everyone though ).
..net should have concentrated on c# only as c++ is their mainstay of
programming.
Dump VB.net ( and VB come to think of it lol ) and then we might get
somewhere.
Keep ASP from its last form ( lovely scripting language ) better keep Delphi
aswell!!

Oh yeah i will be starting c# this year, i did visit it for a time when it
first came out.
just runs of the tongue c c++ c# lovely

have a good new year