Is this a decent setup? TIA

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Greetings.

Is the following a decent setup?

Xtech Medium Tower Case
Antec TruePower 430 Watt ATX 12V PS
Asus P4P800 SE mobo
PNY 512MB PC3200 x2 RAM
Intel P4 3e GHz 800 MHz System Bus 1MB L2 Cache CPU
GeForceFX 5200 128MB AGP Video Card
Pioneer DVR-A06U
Logitech Marble Mouse
Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard

Thank you.
 
you'll see wait a sec....I thought about the post after I sent,,,
glad to see you didn't jump right off at me,...you would have had the
right///LOL jerome = JK
 
you'll see wait a sec....I thought about the post after I sent,,,
glad to see you didn't jump right off at me,...you would have had the
right///LOL jerome = JK

Ah, not to worry. LOL

Is there a troll(etc.) in the group that uses the same nick or other
info like mine?
 
Skip the Athlon64 and go with your original plan.

According to www.pricewatch.com, same price range at the moment would be:

P4 3.2 Prescott vs. Athlon64 3200+ or

P4 3.4 Prescott vs. Athlon64 3400+

Beyond that range, you can pay up to several hundred dollars for either an
Intel or AMD chip, but hardly anybody gives a damn about those chips, as
hardly anybody spends as much on a processor as they do on the entire rest
of their system combined.

So the P4 3.2/3.4 and Athlon64 3200/3400 would be the best indicators of who
has the best bang for buck, at the moment.

Gaming: OpenGL: The Intel chips are much faster
Gaming: DX8: The AMD chips are faster, no doubt about it
Gaming: DX9: It's virtually a tie, as the AMD chips are two to three
TENTHS of a percentage point faster than Intel.
So on the gaming benchmarks, that's one win for Intel, one win for AMD and
one tie.
GAMING OVERALL: TIED

Business Applications: Office Applications: Intel blows AMD away
Business Applications: Internet Content Creation: Intel blows AMD away
Business Applications: Overall: Intel blows AMD away

Video Encoding: This one is so lopsided, AMD should have thrown in the
towel before entering the ring. Intel wins by a landslide.

Audio Encoding: Again, Intel wins by a landslide

Synthetic Benchmarks: (PC Mark 2004): Here, Intel blows AMD away on both
*CPU* and memory benchmarks

Even at the same price for CPU, an Intel system can be cheaper to
build, as the P4 boards are more mature at this point, and thus there are
better bargains to be found. Considering that an Intel system will likely
be cheaper to build and WILL perform better on all benchmarks except DX8,
it's kind of a no-brainer as to which chip to build with, at the moment.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040322/index.html

The following is an article on the Athlon 64 2800+. But more interesting
is,
the benchmarks included in the article are a GREAT comparison of the 3.2GHz
P4
processors with the Athlon64 3200+. In this article, these two processors
are
pretty evenly matched, with Intel being faster on some benchmarks, and AMD
being faster on others.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2038&p=1

Now lets look at what Sharky Extreme has to report in their article about
the
3.4GHz Prescott processor. This one has benchmarks that are a great
comparison
of the 3.4GHz Intel chips with the Athlon64 3400+. Here, you have to be
careful,
as Sharky doesn't organize their charts in order of fastest to slowest. And
on
some charts, LOWER scores are better. But if you read all the benchmarks,
you
will again notice that the two chips are pretty evenly matched, with AMD
faster
on some and Intel faster on others.

http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_3329681__1

Intel is better than AMD, at the moment. The only way AMD could change that
would be to drop their prices by 30% or better. -Dave, updated 10/2/04
 
oh no he an AMD employee/stock holder


roadster3043 said:
Ah, not to worry. LOL

Is there a troll(etc.) in the group that uses the same nick or other
info like mine?
 
roadster3043 said:
Greetings.

Is the following a decent setup?

Xtech Medium Tower Case
Antec TruePower 430 Watt ATX 12V PS
Asus P4P800 SE mobo
PNY 512MB PC3200 x2 RAM
Intel P4 3e GHz 800 MHz System Bus 1MB L2 Cache CPU
GeForceFX 5200 128MB AGP Video Card
Pioneer DVR-A06U
Logitech Marble Mouse
Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard

Thank you.

Looks great. I'd probably go with 2 X 256MB low latency RAM instead of the
2 X 512MB PNY myself. But if you'll be doing something like video editing,
the 1Gig of RAM will be better. I've had some time to tinker recently, and
found that 512MB of fast RAM is faster than 1Gig of cheap RAM. Yes,
benchmarks confirm that. But, I don't do anything that requires gobs of
RAM. I'm running XP Pro with all the latest Microsoft office apps. (not by
choice, have to, for telecommuting) and various Internet applications and
some games and multimedia stuff. Oh, and shut up jerome. -Dave
 
Skip the Athlon64 and go with your original plan.

According to www.pricewatch.com, same price range at the moment
would be:

P4 3.2 Prescott vs. Athlon64 3200+ or

P4 3.4 Prescott vs. Athlon64 3400+

Beyond that range, you can pay up to several hundred dollars for
either an Intel or AMD chip, but hardly anybody gives a damn about
those chips, as hardly anybody spends as much on a processor as
they do on the entire rest of their system combined.

So the P4 3.2/3.4 and Athlon64 3200/3400 would be the best
indicators of who has the best bang for buck, at the moment.
<snip>

Thank you for the info and links Dave C.
 
Dave C. said:
Skip the Athlon64 and go with your original plan.

According to www.pricewatch.com, same price range at the moment would be:

P4 3.2 Prescott vs. Athlon64 3200+ or

P4 3.4 Prescott vs. Athlon64 3400+

Beyond that range, you can pay up to several hundred dollars for either an
Intel or AMD chip, but hardly anybody gives a damn about those chips, as
hardly anybody spends as much on a processor as they do on the entire rest
of their system combined.

So the P4 3.2/3.4 and Athlon64 3200/3400 would be the best indicators of who
has the best bang for buck, at the moment.

Gaming: OpenGL: The Intel chips are much faster

Not quite.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=10


Gaming: DX8: The AMD chips are faster, no doubt about it
Gaming: DX9: It's virtually a tie, as the AMD chips are two to three
TENTHS of a percentage point faster than Intel.
So on the gaming benchmarks, that's one win for Intel, one win for AMD and
one tie.
GAMING OVERALL: TIED

Business Applications: Office Applications: Intel blows AMD away

Not quite. Even an Athlon XP3000+($95) beats a Pentium 4 3.2 ghz in Business Winstone
2004.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=6


Business Applications: Internet Content Creation: Intel blows AMD away

Not quite. See the Content Creation Winstone 2004 results.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=6


Business Applications: Overall: Intel blows AMD away

Even an Athlon XP3000+($95) beats a Pentium 4 3.2 ghz in Business Winstone 2004.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=6



Video Encoding: This one is so lopsided, AMD should have thrown in the
towel before entering the ring. Intel wins by a landslide.

Audio Encoding: Again, Intel wins by a landslide

Synthetic Benchmarks: (PC Mark 2004): Here, Intel blows AMD away on both
*CPU* and memory benchmarks

Even at the same price for CPU, an Intel system can be cheaper to
build, as the P4 boards are more mature at this point, and thus there are
better bargains to be found. Considering that an Intel system will likely
be cheaper to build and WILL perform better on all benchmarks except DX8,
it's kind of a no-brainer as to which chip to build with, at the moment.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040322/index.html

The following is an article on the Athlon 64 2800+. But more interesting
is,
the benchmarks included in the article are a GREAT comparison of the 3.2GHz
P4
processors with the Athlon64 3200+. In this article, these two processors
are
pretty evenly matched, with Intel being faster on some benchmarks, and AMD
being faster on others.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2038&p=1

Now lets look at what Sharky Extreme has to report in their article about
the
3.4GHz Prescott processor. This one has benchmarks that are a great
comparison
of the 3.4GHz Intel chips with the Athlon64 3400+. Here, you have to be
careful,
as Sharky doesn't organize their charts in order of fastest to slowest. And
on
some charts, LOWER scores are better. But if you read all the benchmarks,
you
will again notice that the two chips are pretty evenly matched, with AMD
faster
on some and Intel faster on others.

http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_3329681__1

Intel is better than AMD, at the moment. The only way AMD could change that
would be to drop their prices by 30% or better. -Dave, updated 10/2/04

Very funny. A $150 Athlon 64 3000+ (socket 754 )beats an $815 Pentium 4 3.2 ghz
in Doom 3.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2149&p=7

A $95 Athlon XP3000+ beats a $210 Pentium 4 3.2 ghz in Business Winstone 2004.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=6


http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.53769656
 
roadster3043 said:
<snip>

Thank you for the info and links Dave C.

No problem. I'm an AMD fan myself, but need to post this periodically to
stop someone else from posting misleading information deliberately bashing
Intel. -Dave
 
No problem. I'm an AMD fan myself, but need to post this
periodically to stop someone else from posting misleading
information deliberately bashing Intel. -Dave

After my P2 400MHz, I switched to AMD, but so far I have had problems
with the mobos I used for AMD, the first was an Abit KG-7 Raid and the
most recent one an Asus A7N8X Deluxe. In the KG-7 the PS/2 ports
stopped working, then the USB ports, then the mobo just died. In the
Asus it started with WinXP giving me an error message and restarting,
then BIOS problems and last no POST. This in less than a year. My P2
is still working, which I'm using right now but the AGP slot seems to
have stopped working. I'm using an old PCI vid card for it. Know of a
good PCI video card that you can recommend?

I like both Intel and AMD. Maybe I need a good mobo for the AMD Athlon
XP CPU so that I can have a better experience with this type of CPU and
be able to enjoy it as I have my P2.
 
After my P2 400MHz, I switched to AMD, but so far I have had problems
with the mobos I used for AMD, the first was an Abit KG-7 Raid and the
most recent one an Asus A7N8X Deluxe. In the KG-7 the PS/2 ports
stopped working, then the USB ports, then the mobo just died. In the
Asus it started with WinXP giving me an error message and restarting,
then BIOS problems and last no POST. This in less than a year. My P2
is still working, which I'm using right now but the AGP slot seems to
have stopped working. I'm using an old PCI vid card for it. Know of a
good PCI video card that you can recommend?

I like both Intel and AMD. Maybe I need a good mobo for the AMD Athlon
XP CPU so that I can have a better experience with this type of CPU and
be able to enjoy it as I have my P2.

A decent PCI video card would cost more than a decent Athlon XP mainboard,
by far. I'm wondering what you were using to power your Athlon XP rig,
though. Athlon XP (and Intel P4 and Athlon64) processors require a lot of
stable power. And any system can be damaged by a bad PSU. If you don't
know off the top of your head who made your PSU, you should probably replace
it. That is, if it's just one that came with a case, it is almost
guaranteed to be crap . . . and it wouldn't surprise me if that's what
happened to your first two motherboards.

If you are sure that ALL of the components below are good:
RAM
Video card
Hard drive
Optical Drive
Athlon XP CPU

Then that would mean that all you need for a kick-butt system would be a
mainboard and power supply. I'll be flamed for saying this, but I
personally wouldn't recommend Abit or Asus motherboards at all. Both are
WAY over-hyped. Abit is decent, but seems to be a niche maker, best known
for catering to the tweakers, aka overclockers. Who cares if it's stable or
reliable as long as I can overclockthehellouttait? :) Asus earned a
reputation for top quality, but that seems to have gone down-hill recently .
.. . enough that I don't think they deserve that rep anymore. I personally
think the best brands on the market are AOpen, Epox and Biostar, in that
specific order. AOpen is the best quality you can buy, period. And AOpen
boards are often just a buck or two above lesser brands in price, making
them an awesome value. Yes, AOpen is much better quality than Asus, and
often cheaper than Asus, too (because Asus is in such great demand). Epox
is a mid-level manufacturer, kind of boring in the sense that their stuff is
not really spectacular, but just plain WORKS. And in motherboards, boring
is a GOOD thing. :) Biostar seems to cater to the budget minded, but every
Biostar board I've built with has been EXTREMELY fast, stable and reliable.
In fact, one of the top rated Athlon XP boards is made by Biostar,
coincidentally.

Keeping that in mind, I could recommend the following to rebuild your Athlon
XP system:
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA19906 (a cheap fix, and
a good board)
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA19262 (more money,
no-compromise quality)

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA19274 (a really good
power supply, if needed)

If you decide to rebuild your system, make sure the motherboard you choose
is compatible with your current CPU (should be, but double-check), RAM
(again, double-check) and Video card (check voltages). Note that if you
need to buy a motherboard and power supply, the total cost of those two
components should STILL be less than the cost of a decent PCI format video
card. :) -Dave
 
A decent PCI video card would cost more than a decent Athlon XP
mainboard, by far. I'm wondering what you were using to power
your Athlon XP rig, though. Athlon XP (and Intel P4 and Athlon64)
processors require a lot of stable power. And any system can be
damaged by a bad PSU. If you don't know off the top of your head
who made your PSU, you should probably replace it. That is, if
it's just one that came with a case, it is almost guaranteed to be
crap . . . and it wouldn't surprise me if that's what happened to
your first two motherboards.

Thanks again for the info Dave.

I have an AGP card for the AMD system. I have to check the voltage as
you suggested. The decent($100.00 and under if possible) PCI video
card is for my P2 system. Nothing fancy, but good, for watching
internet related stuff (vids, pics, etc.) and a few old games like Duke
Nukem, Descent, MDK, Quake I and II.

I have to check the PSU used on the AMD system, but most probably is a
cheapo PSU, it doesn't weigh as much as a good PSU. I read somewhere
that the heavier the PSU the better quality the components used inside.
Can the problem be also caused by a faulty or bad UPS?


Again, thanks for the valuable info and links.
 
Thanks again for the info Dave.

I have an AGP card for the AMD system. I have to check the voltage as
you suggested. The decent($100.00 and under if possible) PCI video
card is for my P2 system. Nothing fancy, but good, for watching
internet related stuff (vids, pics, etc.) and a few old games like Duke
Nukem, Descent, MDK, Quake I and II.

I have to check the PSU used on the AMD system, but most probably is a
cheapo PSU, it doesn't weigh as much as a good PSU. I read somewhere
that the heavier the PSU the better quality the components used inside.
Can the problem be also caused by a faulty or bad UPS?

UPS??? Assuming that's not a typo . . . the UPS wouldn't likely cause any
problems, as long as your electricity was still on. Even if the lights go
out, your worst problem with a UPS would be that it runs out of power before
you want it to. A UPS typically has pretty good protection circuits in it,
for good reason. The UPS is built EXPECTING the wall power to be
unreliable. :)

A UPS is pretty much the opposite of a PSU. While a UPS converts DC to AC,
the PSU converts AC to DC. With any component, garbage in equals garbage
out. But unless the power goes out, the PSU is running off the wall
current, even if plugged into a UPS. Thus the UPS won't likely affect
reliability of your computer components at all.

A bad PSU however, CAN and HAS affected reliability of all components in an
adverse manner. Stable DC power out of the PSU is imperative to keep all
computer components stable and reliable. In severe cases, a bad power
supply can not only cause stability problems but actually (permanently)
damage connected computer components.

It's possible your Athlon XP system had two bad motherboards. It's also
possible your Athlon XP system had a power supply that damaged two
motherboards. Both scenarios are equally as likely. Motherboards do go
bad, but not as often as power supplies. Cheap power supplies fail with
alarming frequency. Unfortunately, they don't always fail in ways that are
obvious until after they've taken several other components down with them.

But there is no reliable way to test a PSU short of replacing it. You can
use a multimeter to test voltages, but BAD power supplies can look good when
hooked up to a multimeter. So all the multimeter will tell you is if your
power supply is dead or not. That would only be helpful information if you
had a motherboard that appeared to be totally dead. That is, if you turn on
a system and absolutely NOTHING happens, then a multimeter might be a good
way to check to see if you are getting ANYTHING out of the PSU. :)

For a decent PCI video card for the P2 system, I might suggest the
following. It is DX8.1 and OpenGL 1.3, so it should handle older games just
great. There are some DX9 cards less than a hundred bucks. But this one
has a DVI connector. I'm thinking you might want to use it to power an
extra monitor later, perhaps. In other words, I think the card will outlive
a P2 system, and DVI is already here. Note that this appears to be
passively cooled too. (I like quiet) -Dave

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-354&depa=0
 
UPS??? Assuming that's not a typo . . . the UPS wouldn't likely
cause any problems, as long as your electricity was still on.
Even if the lights go out, your worst problem with a UPS would be
that it runs out of power before you want it to. A UPS typically
has pretty good protection circuits in it, for good reason. The
UPS is built EXPECTING the wall power to be unreliable. :)

A UPS is pretty much the opposite of a PSU. While a UPS converts
DC to AC, the PSU converts AC to DC. With any component, garbage
in equals garbage out. But unless the power goes out, the PSU is
running off the wall current, even if plugged into a UPS. Thus
the UPS won't likely affect reliability of your computer
components at all.
I mentioned the UPS because I had a power outage when the Asus mobo was
working and it didn't leave the computer on as it is supposed to, so I
could turn the computer off.

Could there be a possibility that the UPS couldn't send enough power
needed for the PSU, causing it to get damaged?

Thank you.
 
I mentioned the UPS because I had a power outage when the Asus mobo was
working and it didn't leave the computer on as it is supposed to, so I
could turn the computer off.

Could there be a possibility that the UPS couldn't send enough power
needed for the PSU, causing it to get damaged?

Thank you.

Anything is possible. I doubt if the UPS damaged your computer, though.
Either the UPS was programmed to shut the computer down immediately (that's
useful, believe it or not) . . . or more likely the UPS battery needed to be
replaced. That is, unless you had a laser printer hooked up to the UPS
(evil grin). Typically, the UPS should only be running the computer and the
monitor. If that's all that was plugged into it, you should have had at
least a few minutes of power from the UPS to keep the computer running. If
it shut down immediately, that was deliberate . . . or the battery was dead.
In either case, the UPS SHOULD have shut down in a manner so as not to cause
harm to connected equipment. I would be somewhat surprised but not SHOCKED
to learn of a UPS damaging a computer. -Dave
 
Anything is possible. I doubt if the UPS damaged your computer,
though. Either the UPS was programmed to shut the computer down
immediately (that's useful, believe it or not) . . . or more
likely the UPS battery needed to be replaced. That is, unless you
had a laser printer hooked up to the UPS (evil grin). Typically,
the UPS should only be running the computer and the monitor. If
that's all that was plugged into it, you should have had at least
a few minutes of power from the UPS to keep the computer running.
If it shut down immediately, that was deliberate . . . or the
battery was dead. In either case, the UPS SHOULD have shut down in
a manner so as not to cause harm to connected equipment. I would
be somewhat surprised but not SHOCKED to learn of a UPS damaging a
computer. -Dave

I'm going to check all the cables to make sure there are just the
monitor and the PC plugged in the UPS.

Thank you Dave.



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