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Is the query I submitted ( titled "Save web page" ):

1) too difficult, or
2) a dumb question, or
3) low priority ?

Couldn't find anything on the subject and nobody's ever replied to it in past
few years. So it'd be nice to know. ((:(... and #$!@*!
 
tedoniman said:
Is the query I submitted ( titled "Save web page" ):

1) too difficult, or
2) a dumb question, or
3) low priority ?

Couldn't find anything on the subject and nobody's ever replied to it in
past
few years. So it'd be nice to know. ((:(... and #$!@*!

What on earth are you talking about Ted ???
Repost with some pertinent details and some one will hopefully give an
answer to your dilemma.
If you have been waiting a few years for an answer, I admire your
fortitude ;-)

rgds
Roberto
 
| Is the query I submitted ( titled "Save web page" ):
|
| 1) too difficult, or
| 2) a dumb question, or
| 3) low priority ?
|
| Couldn't find anything on the subject and nobody's ever replied to it in past
| few years. So it'd be nice to know. ((:(... and #$!@*!
|
|
| --
| Ted...

================================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "tedoniman" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:01 AM
Subject: "Save web page" hangup problem

Hello "tedoniman",

No one has to reply you know, this forum/newsgroup is frequented by both unpaid professionals and amateur computer geeks. If someone has the answer or a possible answer or knows where to direct you to the answer then your post will generally get an answer or two, but there is no onus on anyone to answer your post. We all lurk and answer posts if we feel like it.


Try Alt F4
 
OK, Roberto; really appreciate the reply. My questions were dead serious. Was
beginning to think I'd been totally blackballed for some reason and trying to
find
out why.

In my post here I meant to say that I'd already posted here under the title
of
"Save Web Page", believe it was. I'd lost it myself but found it when
searched
for "web page".

Looks like a Mr. Ron Sommers already replied to it, asking for more detail.
I just provided that and I'm not sure if you really want to see it because
it's
rather long in that context.

However, I think I'll do as you said - even though this is apparently the
wrong forum - because 2 heads are better than one, as they say. So here goes,
for
better or for worse.

Here's what I just posted to Mr. Sommers in answer to his specific
questions:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

14-Jul-06 / Win XP Gen

First off, I thank you kindly for your reply. As I said,
haven't had much luck w/ this query. It's apparently of low
priority to the rest of the world. So be it.


1. Usually temp save (web page) to "DeskTop" or "new folder" I make up.


2. Download (of web page) completed (before save) - far as I know; says
"Done" down below.

However, now that you mention it, I've had quite a few cases
lately where there was a long lag (even though it said "done")
where some graphic bits may not have had arrived yet at the
time (or could not be displayed in a timely manner); or where
even the whole page was blank for a long time. No clue as to
why it says "done" when it's obviously not.

I realize that this could be ONE problem/cause - but not the
whole story, don't believe. Over the years it's happened too
frequently for that - seems like 10 - 25% of the time, per
day, on some days, on any usual OS version you'd care to name
and on any net connection - dial-up, ADSL - and at various
different locations and with different Service Providers.


Nowadays, I get the 'lag' a lot with Adobe .pdf files I
download from Tech Republic. They seem to load down in portions
that say "done" when only that portion is "done" - and pretty
soon another portion starts to download unexpectedly and so on.

If I close the file when it says "done", I might later find
I've gotten only 3 of 10 pages, etc. But I mention this just
in passing. It's not the main aggro. Moreover, for the issue
at hand, there's nothing to 'close' because nothing ever
really downloads. It hangs in space somewhere and stays there.

At my current location here, on ADSL, there's also a drastic
slow-down problem during periods of heavy rain (from an average
of 50-100 KBPS to as low as 500 bps! and cut-off some times).
This doesn't help the situation any but, again, not the main
issue.

A major (tho' not THE major) point is, it can happen anytime,
anywhere to me - as if the devil were on my back, wherever I go,
or, I've got some horribly wrong setting or something somewhere;
but that can't be because then it would do it ALL the time, I'd
imagine.


3. I've been clearing my Temporary Internet files regular as
clockwork. In fact I do a Disk Cleanup *AT LEAST* once a week.

I go thru History, Cookies, Recents, Recycle, Temps, what have
you, all the time. I'm paranoid that way. I hunt crap down
thru practically every folder and sub-folder in the hierarchy
- manually; and sometimes w/ some of those cleaners.

Got 2 full-time anti-virus programs working, plus WinPatrol,
Adaware and Spybot on the line. Got a rootkit thing now too
(tho' that's probably hopeless).

****************************************
However, your point is well taken. I'll pay immediate
attention to Temp Internet files next time it happens.
****************************************


4. I posted here and plenty elsewhere, outside the MS Network -
and including "... Networking and the Web". You are the
first and only one to ever have replied to this query - so
far.

This thing is driving me out of my gourd.

The worst part is when the net is real slow and a lot of
the saves get up to 98% (which takes minutes sometimes)
and then suddenly abort with "The web page could not be
saved to the current location".

In around half of those cases, even "html only" won't work;
and I've even had a case or two where, incomprehensibly,
save in "text" format gave me the same error.

----------------------------------------------------------

Well, I think that about covers it. Pardon if I've left out
the kitchen sink.

Finally, allow me to highlight the real issue at hand (I may
not have put adequate emphacis on it in my post), which is:

==========================================
Why does the *CANCEL* tab and the *close* [X] never work
at the error message box?
==========================================

If someone could get MS to make it do what it is obviously
designed to do and purported to do AND supposed to do, the
issue would be closed for me. It'd be a compromise, true,
but a good one. At least it would keep the old blood
pressure down.

Instead of having to go thru the agony of the long wait,
the ultimate hangup, the crash and all that productive time
down the tube trying to get back to square 1, all I'd have
to do is click "CANCEL" in the confidence that it would
terminate just that particular operation instantly - so
that, if I wanted to, I could immediately thereafter follow
up with a retry - not half an hour later.

That's basically all I'm after. Don't think it's to much
to ask. If there's some reason why it utterly can't be
fixed, it'd still be helpful to know why.

As I said, I can't believe I'm the only one with this
problem (though it almost seems so). If I am, I'd sure
appreciate it if someone would please let me know.

Well, thank you for your valuable time and your ear
(which must be pretty well bent by now). Just wanted to
make all as clear as possible in one go. Saves on the
back and forth.

Appreciate,

Ted...

-----------------------------------------------------------------
 
tedoniman said:
OK, Roberto; really appreciate the reply. My questions were dead serious.
Was
beginning to think I'd been totally blackballed for some reason and trying
to
find
out why.

In my post here I meant to say that I'd already posted here under the
title
of
"Save Web Page", believe it was. I'd lost it myself but found it when
searched
for "web page".

Looks like a Mr. Ron Sommers already replied to it, asking for more
detail.
I just provided that and I'm not sure if you really want to see it because
it's
rather long in that context.

However, I think I'll do as you said - even though this is apparently the
wrong forum - because 2 heads are better than one, as they say. So here
goes,
for
better or for worse.

Here's what I just posted to Mr. Sommers in answer to his specific
questions:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

14-Jul-06 / Win XP Gen

First off, I thank you kindly for your reply. As I said,
haven't had much luck w/ this query. It's apparently of low
priority to the rest of the world. So be it.


1. Usually temp save (web page) to "DeskTop" or "new folder" I make up.


2. Download (of web page) completed (before save) - far as I know; says
"Done" down below.

However, now that you mention it, I've had quite a few cases
lately where there was a long lag (even though it said "done")
where some graphic bits may not have had arrived yet at the
time (or could not be displayed in a timely manner); or where
even the whole page was blank for a long time. No clue as to
why it says "done" when it's obviously not.

I realize that this could be ONE problem/cause - but not the
whole story, don't believe. Over the years it's happened too
frequently for that - seems like 10 - 25% of the time, per
day, on some days, on any usual OS version you'd care to name
and on any net connection - dial-up, ADSL - and at various
different locations and with different Service Providers.


Nowadays, I get the 'lag' a lot with Adobe .pdf files I
download from Tech Republic. They seem to load down in portions
that say "done" when only that portion is "done" - and pretty
soon another portion starts to download unexpectedly and so on.

If I close the file when it says "done", I might later find
I've gotten only 3 of 10 pages, etc. But I mention this just
in passing. It's not the main aggro. Moreover, for the issue
at hand, there's nothing to 'close' because nothing ever
really downloads. It hangs in space somewhere and stays there.

At my current location here, on ADSL, there's also a drastic
slow-down problem during periods of heavy rain (from an average
of 50-100 KBPS to as low as 500 bps! and cut-off some times).
This doesn't help the situation any but, again, not the main
issue.

A major (tho' not THE major) point is, it can happen anytime,
anywhere to me - as if the devil were on my back, wherever I go,
or, I've got some horribly wrong setting or something somewhere;
but that can't be because then it would do it ALL the time, I'd
imagine.


3. I've been clearing my Temporary Internet files regular as
clockwork. In fact I do a Disk Cleanup *AT LEAST* once a week.

I go thru History, Cookies, Recents, Recycle, Temps, what have
you, all the time. I'm paranoid that way. I hunt crap down
thru practically every folder and sub-folder in the hierarchy
- manually; and sometimes w/ some of those cleaners.

Got 2 full-time anti-virus programs working, plus WinPatrol,
Adaware and Spybot on the line. Got a rootkit thing now too
(tho' that's probably hopeless).

****************************************
However, your point is well taken. I'll pay immediate
attention to Temp Internet files next time it happens.
****************************************


4. I posted here and plenty elsewhere, outside the MS Network -
and including "... Networking and the Web". You are the
first and only one to ever have replied to this query - so
far.

This thing is driving me out of my gourd.

The worst part is when the net is real slow and a lot of
the saves get up to 98% (which takes minutes sometimes)
and then suddenly abort with "The web page could not be
saved to the current location".

In around half of those cases, even "html only" won't work;
and I've even had a case or two where, incomprehensibly,
save in "text" format gave me the same error.

----------------------------------------------------------

Well, I think that about covers it. Pardon if I've left out
the kitchen sink.

Finally, allow me to highlight the real issue at hand (I may
not have put adequate emphacis on it in my post), which is:

==========================================
Why does the *CANCEL* tab and the *close* [X] never work
at the error message box?
==========================================

If someone could get MS to make it do what it is obviously
designed to do and purported to do AND supposed to do, the
issue would be closed for me. It'd be a compromise, true,
but a good one. At least it would keep the old blood
pressure down.

Instead of having to go thru the agony of the long wait,
the ultimate hangup, the crash and all that productive time
down the tube trying to get back to square 1, all I'd have
to do is click "CANCEL" in the confidence that it would
terminate just that particular operation instantly - so
that, if I wanted to, I could immediately thereafter follow
up with a retry - not half an hour later.

That's basically all I'm after. Don't think it's to much
to ask. If there's some reason why it utterly can't be
fixed, it'd still be helpful to know why.

As I said, I can't believe I'm the only one with this
problem (though it almost seems so). If I am, I'd sure
appreciate it if someone would please let me know.

Well, thank you for your valuable time and your ear
(which must be pretty well bent by now). Just wanted to
make all as clear as possible in one go. Saves on the
back and forth.

Appreciate,

Ted...

-----------------------------------------------------------------
What folder are you saving to?
Has the page completely downloaded before you try to save?
Is your Temporary Internet Files folder empty?
Why did you post to the XPgeneral newsgroup?


Something to consider is the fact that you are running two AV
programs - not a good idea, remove one [Norton if you have it]
If you don't frequent those nasty sites [porn,cracks etc]then you would
be able to run safely with one AV and Ad-Aware.
If you run a third party firewall make sure it is setup correctly, as
to ADSL drop outs and slowdown, that could well be an issue with your
modem or ISP, do you use a USB connection? if so install a PCI NIC and
connect via Ethernet.

rgds
Roberto
 
To: Roberto

Clicked on "YES" first and all disappeared! And so it goes...
Anyhow, all points well taken.

Something to consider is the fact that you are running two AV
Running AVG & McAfee. Will disable one.
If you don't frequent those nasty sites [porn,cracks etc]then you would
Bit to old for (some) of that! However, I'm not the only user here...
If you run a third party firewall ...
Just Windows firewall.
to ADSL drop outs and slowdown, that could well be an issue with your
modem or ISP
Too true, but, This Is Thailand! Nothing to be done about it...
... do you use a USB connection?
No.

Thanks for your input, Roberto. Every bit helps; though I suspect I'll
never get
to the real bottom of it, if history is anything to go by. Never got a
comeback
on it from MS either.

Anyhow, for moment got another serious problem - FDISKED a new drive and
all crashed partway thru. Something new each day. Got to get back to that one
first. Will need to post a query somewhere as it's a bit over my head too.
Doesn't offhand look like there'd be anything on it in the MS Forums.

Thanks again,

--
Ted...

snipped...

Roberto said:
Something to consider is the fact that you are running two AV
programs - not a good idea, remove one [Norton if you have it]
If you don't frequent those nasty sites [porn,cracks etc]then you would
be able to run safely with one AV and Ad-Aware.
If you run a third party firewall make sure it is setup correctly, as
to ADSL drop outs and slowdown, that could well be an issue with your
modem or ISP, do you use a USB connection? if so install a PCI NIC and
connect via Ethernet.

rgds
Roberto
 
tedoniman said:
To: Roberto

Clicked on "YES" first and all disappeared! And so it goes...
Anyhow, all points well taken.

Something to consider is the fact that you are running two AV
Running AVG & McAfee. Will disable one.
If you don't frequent those nasty sites [porn,cracks etc]then you
would
Bit to old for (some) of that! However, I'm not the only user here...
If you run a third party firewall ...
Just Windows firewall.
to ADSL drop outs and slowdown, that could well be an issue with
your
modem or ISP
Too true, but, This Is Thailand! Nothing to be done about it...
... do you use a USB connection?
No.

Thanks for your input, Roberto. Every bit helps; though I suspect I'll
never get
to the real bottom of it, if history is anything to go by. Never got a
comeback
on it from MS either.

Anyhow, for moment got another serious problem - FDISKED a new drive and
all crashed partway thru. Something new each day. Got to get back to that
one
first. Will need to post a query somewhere as it's a bit over my head too.
Doesn't offhand look like there'd be anything on it in the MS Forums.

Thanks again,

Don't use FDisk , use admin tools >computer management to set up your
HDD, any way fdisk is for Fat32 you aught to be using ntfs
rgds
Roberto
 
17-Jul-o6, Monday (I think)...

OK, Roberto. This is a quick (?) run thru courtesy call mainly. I do
appreciate
all your suggestions. Unfortunately I got a bit impatient so to late now.
Now I
have to locate me some expert advice on the mess I'm in - fast. I hope I can
get the attention of 'Chuck' at the other forum - or my days might be
numbered.
Believe he's an expert in the particular issue confronting me right now.

I will just note this in passing. Been off net with serious problems for
couple days.
Couldn't get back into my comp and drive after finally processing my
friend's new Maxtor drive via my own comp - and via the very method you just
suggested. In
essence, I agree this is the way to go; though it did put me in a bind now.

I was trying to avoid opening and using my own aging comp for this task
because of to much experience w/ "Murphy's Law". Was saving that option til
last, if all
else failed.

As the old comp's didn't have any working HD's nor working CD ROMs
(tho' finally did get one working), I ultimately had no choice but to go the
modern route anyhow. The way it worked out though, I now regret the choice
because it's left me in a stew (that's what I get for trying to help out an
old friend).

I think it would take to much of your time to run thru all I did - which was
according to instructions, all the way. I mean, what I just went thru with 3
comps. I'll just note the last bit of it here, as pertains my own comp,
manily.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Got all done and XP installed on the new HD. Had slaved the Maxtor to my
Western
Digital Master(left it jumpered for CS) in my comp. All went well with the XP
install.

When rebooted, however, XP came up from the Maxtor Slave - not from my
Master! Checked if Master still OK via Explorer. OK. All still there. Thank
the Above.

Took out XP Install CD and new Maxtor for transfer to one of 2 old comps.
Rebooted my comp. No go! System no recognize my own HD anymore!

Tried all ways. The boot took me to "Press TAB for POST; Press DEL to enter
BIOS" (or similar). That was it. Neither key elicited any response. So
couldn't
even get into BIOS any more! PANIC! Tried other keyboard. No go.

Round and round w/ all 3 comps for 24 hrs non-stop. More panic. Neither
mine nor the 2 old comps would recognize either my HD or the new Maxtor. All
kinds of error messages. I was completely dead in the water.

I do not want to tell you my feelings on XP right now. Too dangerous. This
kind of nonsense is uncalled for. Never, ever had these kinds of serious
problems with anything else in past 20 -30 years with older versions - and
the help was just inadequate or missing on the issues. Some of it is still
as succinct and cryptic as
in the DOS days, even.

In desperation, removed the BIOS batteries everywhere and let the BIOS reset
itself for 5 minutes - drain off any charge. That helped - but stlll couldn't
properly access my comp. Could get in via DOS though. Some RELIEF at least...

Finally went back to exact same setup as when I started all this. That is,
CD, my Master and the Maxwell all back into my comp. That did it to the point
where the boot went to the Slave (Maxtor) again and I could access all my
drives and folders everywhere from there. Whew!!! All still there, but...
Took 2 days and nights,
nearly non-stop, to get to this point.

As in beginning, all my settings (unlike as XP had promised) and DeskTop
were gone. Got the new XP DeskTop with practically NOTHING on it. Took a
while to
get me back into our little home net on the LAN here and, finally, on the
Net,
where I am now - and better get busy real quick looking for answers.

Actually, I'm not sure now which DeskTop I'm looking at - a destroyed
version of
my old one on the WD drive, or, a new, clean (does feel good & fast) version
on
the Maxtor (I've still to look into 'Documents and Settings).

Man oh man, oh man, oh man! What a hassle. My blood pressure was up
at 170/110 and nearly had a fit. How can this be? Is it me? Or what. Here I
was following instructions to the letter and look where it got me. What is
the point of it? A setup should go bang, bang, bang - finish. End of story.

It just seems that everytime MS purports to make something easier, things
get harder, more comples, more obfuscated and a lot of the good old stuff
is lost in the process. Anyhow, that's IMHO.

It looks like XP has really tied things in a knot now. In my particular
case here,
it JUST TOOK EVERYTHIMNG OVER. I'm not impressed. I'm the user. I don't want
it to do what THEY want. I want it to do what I want - or at least stick to
what
it says it will do. For God's sake. All I wanted was to install it on a new
HD so I
could put the installation into my old friend's comp whose old hard disk had
crashed. What gives, anyway? Well, maybe I did something terrible wrong.
Who knows.

------------------------------------------------------

FYI, I was, until couple days ago, unaware of the new XP "simplified" (ha!)
disk partition/format/install Win XP procedure as all my experience w/
setting up new HD's is mainly via DOS, etc., in distant past. I am also not
keen on NTFS for various
reasons, some of them practical.

Having just gone thru the mill, I now realize that MS appears to be pushing
NTFS without restraint. For sure it'll be extinct in Vista. Nevertheless,
lots of people,
including experts, just aren't interested, including the self. I'm taking
the 'wait
and see' attitude. Sorry but that's just the way I'm built.

Now I'm completely stuck. Don't know how to get my comp to work with my
own HD anymore, nor his old comp with the new Maxtor installation. The
other old spare comp he's got is not bad. Good, Award Software BIOS (Year
2000 chip with tons of menus and modern options).

I don't see this as a BIOS problem because XP is supposed to install OK over
Win98 no problem. Obviously this means old comps OK (tho' the old HD w/
W98 on it is dead). Old comps still in reasonable shape and not over 5 years
old.

All irrelevant anyway. As I said, can't even boot up on my own XP Pro SP2
HD anymore - all because of this silly new installation to another HD. Has
prime FAT 32 partition and NTFS on the 2nd, Logical Drive 1 partition, D:.
I'm on a 2.66 MHz Celeron w 256MB RAM. Good enough.

But at least I've got some access now and less panic. TG for small favors.

I think p/o the problem might be do to the drive letter assignments in which,
and what it boils down to in the end, I really had no choice. There was no
clear
cut info on the issue in the Wizard or the help file either. So if that's my
problem, then somebody in the Help section really screwed up.

Anyhow, bent your ear to much already with my rant here. Hadn't realized.
OK, then. Better cut it and move on and rant some more somewhere else.
Blood pressure still up. Got to watch it.

Hasta luego amigo,

I'm off - but if you happen to have some solution to this problem, please,
please let me know soonest.

Ted...

-----------------------------------------------


Roberto said:
tedoniman said:
To: Roberto

Clicked on "YES" first and all disappeared! And so it goes...
Anyhow, all points well taken.

Something to consider is the fact that you are running two AV
Running AVG & McAfee. Will disable one.
If you don't frequent those nasty sites [porn,cracks etc]then you
would
Bit to old for (some) of that! However, I'm not the only user here...
If you run a third party firewall ...
Just Windows firewall.
to ADSL drop outs and slowdown, that could well be an issue with
your
modem or ISP
Too true, but, This Is Thailand! Nothing to be done about it...
... do you use a USB connection?
No.

Thanks for your input, Roberto. Every bit helps; though I suspect I'll
never get
to the real bottom of it, if history is anything to go by. Never got a
comeback
on it from MS either.

Anyhow, for moment got another serious problem - FDISKED a new drive and
all crashed partway thru. Something new each day. Got to get back to that
one
first. Will need to post a query somewhere as it's a bit over my head too.
Doesn't offhand look like there'd be anything on it in the MS Forums.

Thanks again,

Don't use FDisk , use admin tools >computer management to set up your
HDD, any way fdisk is for Fat32 you aught to be using ntfs
rgds
Roberto
--
Ted...


Roberto said:
tedoniman said:
To: Roberto

Clicked on "YES" first and all disappeared! And so it goes...
Anyhow, all points well taken.

Something to consider is the fact that you are running two AV
Running AVG & McAfee. Will disable one.
If you don't frequent those nasty sites [porn,cracks etc]then you
would
Bit to old for (some) of that! However, I'm not the only user here...
If you run a third party firewall ...
Just Windows firewall.
to ADSL drop outs and slowdown, that could well be an issue with
your
modem or ISP
Too true, but, This Is Thailand! Nothing to be done about it...
... do you use a USB connection?
No.

Thanks for your input, Roberto. Every bit helps; though I suspect I'll
never get
to the real bottom of it, if history is anything to go by. Never got a
comeback
on it from MS either.

Anyhow, for moment got another serious problem - FDISKED a new drive and
all crashed partway thru. Something new each day. Got to get back to that
one
first. Will need to post a query somewhere as it's a bit over my head too.
Doesn't offhand look like there'd be anything on it in the MS Forums.

Thanks again,

Don't use FDisk , use admin tools >computer management to set up your
HDD, any way fdisk is for Fat32 you aught to be using ntfs
rgds
Roberto
 
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