Installing XP on the slave drive

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Hi. I am not sure whether I can post this here or not. At any rate, I was
wondering if I could installed XP on the slave drive(4ooG). The master drive
(40G) has the XP already. I hate to use the larger one just for storage
purposes. I would like to be able to install and operate programs from there.
If doable, how would the boot go? Would I get a choice of which one to boot
or can I have it to boot together? Thanks.
 
Chris said:
Hi. I am not sure whether I can post this here or not. At any rate, I was
wondering if I could installed XP on the slave drive(4ooG). The master
drive
(40G) has the XP already. I hate to use the larger one just for storage
purposes. I would like to be able to install and operate programs from
there.
If doable, how would the boot go? Would I get a choice of which one to
boot
or can I have it to boot together? Thanks.
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What do you want to accomplish? Do you want to have a dual boot with two
OS's and choose which one to boot at startup? You need to specify what you
want, and then folks here can give you some guidance. Yes you can dual boot
two OS's and install XP on a different drive. I'm not sure what you mean by
your last question, "can I have it to boot together?".
 
Well, by that I mean if I install OS on the slave drive how would I access
it? Would I be given the choice of which one to boot? The reason is that
suppose I boot to the master, and while there I want to install a program on
the slave drive. Would I be able to do that and operate that program while
using the OS on the master drive? And finally is it possible to install and
run programs on the slave drive without an OS on it? Thanks for your patience!
 
There is no need to install another OS on anther drive for what you want to
accomplish, applications do not have to be installed on the C: drives in Program
Files.
On the second larger drive create a folder name Program Files.
When you install programs use the Custom option to install in a location other than
the default offered.
Use the Change Location button to point to the folder on the second drive.
Change the install location and continue on with the rest of the install.

Not all applications offer the user an option to install to another directory other
than C:\Program Files but they are far and few behind with the newer ones. All Of my
applications get install to my D: drive.

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Chris said:
Well, by that I mean if I install OS on the slave drive how would I access
it? Would I be given the choice of which one to boot? The reason is that
suppose I boot to the master, and while there I want to install a program
on
the slave drive. Would I be able to do that and operate that program while
using the OS on the master drive? And finally is it possible to install
and
run programs on the slave drive without an OS on it? Thanks for your
patience!
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The issue of running programs and which drive/partition they are installed
on is separate from the OS issue. It's still not clear what you want to
accomplish. Do you want two separate copies of XP installed? If yes, then
a boot loaded would control which OS is started and offer you a menu of
which one to start on boot up. XP has a boot loader that works fine. But
first decide what you want. Do you want to copies of XP installed? If yes,
why?

If no, it is certainly possible to install an program do a different drive
than where the OS is installed, though there isn't much reason for it. If
the OS has to be reinstalled so do applications so keeping them on the same
partition makes sense for backup purposes.
 
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Rock said:
The issue of running programs and which drive/partition they are installed on is
separate from the OS issue. It's still not clear what you want to accomplish. Do
you want two separate copies of XP installed? If yes, then a boot loaded would
control which OS is started and offer you a menu of which one to start on boot up.
XP has a boot loader that works fine. But first decide what you want. Do you want
to copies of XP installed? If yes, why?

If no, it is certainly possible to install an program do a different drive than
where the OS is installed, though there isn't much reason for it. If the OS has to
be reinstalled so do applications so keeping them on the same partition makes sense
for backup purposes.
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Unless I mis-understand what you're saying, if the backups are images and you
restore an image it doesn't matter what volume anything is on. If an OS is
reinstalled then the applications will have to be reinstalled as well.

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Brian A. said:
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Unless I mis-understand what you're saying, if the backups are images and
you restore an image it doesn't matter what volume anything is on. If an
OS is reinstalled then the applications will have to be reinstalled as
well.
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Yes certainly what you say is so. I was just pointing out to the OP that
there isn't much advantage to having programs on a different partition than
the OS, but frankly I don't really know what the OP is asking.
 
Gentlemen thanks for taking the time. My apologies for not being as clear as
i would like to be. I have no need to have another OS installed other than
the fact that my slave drive is 400G and master is only 40G and getting full.
I know, it would be logical to swap them and start all over, but this is
exactly what I am trying to avoid. The hustle of undoing all the things and
redoing it again (i.e. all the work involved in swapping the drives and what
involves). So, going back to the original question, can I, from now on,
install applications in the slave drive and operate them? From what I gather
from Brian it seems to me the answer is yes. If this assumption is correct
then I take it from here and I thank you both for your guidance. Peace!
 
Chris said:
Gentlemen thanks for taking the time. My apologies for not being as clear
as
i would like to be. I have no need to have another OS installed other than
the fact that my slave drive is 400G and master is only 40G and getting
full.
I know, it would be logical to swap them and start all over, but this is
exactly what I am trying to avoid. The hustle of undoing all the things
and
redoing it again (i.e. all the work involved in swapping the drives and
what
involves). So, going back to the original question, can I, from now on,
install applications in the slave drive and operate them? From what I
gather
from Brian it seems to me the answer is yes. If this assumption is correct
then I take it from here and I thank you both for your guidance. Peace!
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Ok Chris that explains it. Sure you can install apps to the second drive.
You can also uninstall apps from the first drive and reinstall on the other,
except that some apps will insist on being installed to the C: volume.

There are ways to transfer the installation as it is now to the new drive by
cloning. The drive manufacturer should have a utility to copy the old drive
to the new. Get it from their web site. Or use cloning software such as
Acronis True Image. It can image individual partitions, image the drive, do
file backups and clone the drive. When cloning the drive, after it's
complete, remove the old drive and have only the new drive installed for the
first boot. After that you can reinstall the old drive as a slave drive,
format it and use it for storage.

ATI is a good tool to have for backing up, besides its use to clone the old
drive to the new. I use ATI to image the drives in this system nightly to
external USB drives. It can do a full image, and then either an incremental
or differential image. I do a full image weekly and a differential image
nightly, alternating between two USB connected drives each week. You can
purchase a 320GB WD Caviar SE drive for under $90, and an external drive
enclosure for $20-30 at places like Newegg. This is a low cost but
effective backup solution.
 
Chris said:
Gentlemen thanks for taking the time. My apologies for not being as clear as
i would like to be. I have no need to have another OS installed other than
the fact that my slave drive is 400G and master is only 40G and getting full.
I know, it would be logical to swap them and start all over, but this is
exactly what I am trying to avoid. The hustle of undoing all the things and
redoing it again (i.e. all the work involved in swapping the drives and what
involves). So, going back to the original question, can I, from now on,
install applications in the slave drive and operate them? From what I gather
from Brian it seems to me the answer is yes. If this assumption is correct
then I take it from here and I thank you both for your guidance. Peace!
Click to expand...

It is not an assumption, it is fact! You can create a new folder on any other
drive/volume/partition and install apps to that folder without the need of installing
another OS, all apps installed in that folder will run in the OS that is presently
installed.



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be advised that when installing apps to the second it does not install 100% to the 2nd drive. some system level items are installed on the first drive.



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Gentlemen thanks for taking the time. My apologies for not being as clear as
i would like to be. I have no need to have another OS installed other than
the fact that my slave drive is 400G and master is only 40G and getting full.
I know, it would be logical to swap them and start all over, but this is
exactly what I am trying to avoid. The hustle of undoing all the things and
redoing it again (i.e. all the work involved in swapping the drives and what
involves). So, going back to the original question, can I, from now on,
install applications in the slave drive and operate them? From what I gather
from Brian it seems to me the answer is yes. If this assumption is correct
then I take it from here and I thank you both for your guidance. Peace!
 
You're welcome Chris.
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Gentlemen I have sort of a similar problem.

My problem is as follows my PC has 3 drives and the C drive is a
pathetic 3Gigs. Now the OS is on that drive and I have installed all
my other stuff on the other two drives and have all my files on the
other two drives, but since some systme level files go to the C drive
anyway that drive has gotten to the point where it is filled and I can
barely do anything on my PC. Now what I wanted to do was install XP
on one of the other drives but then only access is through there and
then basically re-format the C drive so that is empty and keep it
empty. Now I know I can just install XP on the other drive, but once
that is done how do I make it boot from there, and not the C drive,
and then how do I go about re-formating the C drive w/o losing
anything that might be vital.

Thank you in advence
 
Gentlemen I have sort of a similar problem.

My problem is as follows my PC has 3 drives and the C drive is a
pathetic 3Gigs. Now the OS is on that drive and I have installed all
my other stuff on the other two drives and have all my files on the
other two drives, but since some systme level files go to the C drive
anyway that drive has gotten to the point where it is filled and I can
barely do anything on my PC. Now what I wanted to do was install XP
on one of the other drives but then only access is through there and
then basically re-format the C drive so that is empty and keep it
empty. Now I know I can just install XP on the other drive, but once
that is done how do I make it boot from there, and not the C drive,
and then how do I go about re-formating the C drive w/o losing
anything that might be vital.
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Note: it's best not to post a new question as a reply to another thread.
Create a new thread of your own.

That said I recommend you get a new drive (they are low cost these days),
remove all current drives except the old one to boot from and the new one,
clone the old to the new using either the driver manufacturer's drive copy
utility which either comes with the drive or can be downloaded from the
manufacturer's web site, or use something like Acronis True Image to clone
the drive, then before rebooting disconnect the old drive, install the new
drive as the boot drive, and boot the system. It should recognize the old
drive with the OS on it. After that reinstall the other drives. Make sure
the drives are cabled and jumpered properly for each step in the process.
 
you have several options.
swap positions with the 3gb and one of the other drives. then install xp.

set the bios to boot from one of the other drives and install xp.

if you install xp to one of the other drives and leave the "C" drive in place the boot information is still installed on to the "C" drive.
so if you then format it you once again lose the boot info. however it is easily fixable using recover console and tools from there.

I would recommend buying a new hard drive, replacing the 3gb and installing xp to it.

sorry to see you have been virtually spanked by our resident net nanny.


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You're welcome Chris.
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Gentlemen I have sort of a similar problem.

My problem is as follows my PC has 3 drives and the C drive is a
pathetic 3Gigs. Now the OS is on that drive and I have installed all
my other stuff on the other two drives and have all my files on the
other two drives, but since some systme level files go to the C drive
anyway that drive has gotten to the point where it is filled and I can
barely do anything on my PC. Now what I wanted to do was install XP
on one of the other drives but then only access is through there and
then basically re-format the C drive so that is empty and keep it
empty. Now I know I can just install XP on the other drive, but once
that is done how do I make it boot from there, and not the C drive,
and then how do I go about re-formating the C drive w/o losing
anything that might be vital.

Thank you in advence
 
you have several options.
swap positions with the 3gb and one of the other drives. then install xp.

set the bios to boot from one of the other drives and install xp.

if you install xp to one of the other drives and leave the "C" drive in place the boot information is still installed on to the "C" drive.
so if you then format it you once again lose the boot info. however it is easily fixable using recover console and tools from there.

I would recommend buying a new hard drive, replacing the 3gb and installing xp to it.

sorry to see you have been virtually spanked by our resident net nanny.

(e-mail address removed)




Gentlemen I have sort of a similar problem.

My problem is as follows my PC has 3 drives and the C drive is a
pathetic 3Gigs. Now the OS is on that drive and I have installed all
my other stuff on the other two drives and have all my files on the
other two drives, but since some systme level files go to the C drive
anyway that drive has gotten to the point where it is filled and I can
barely do anything on my PC. Now what I wanted to do was install XP
on one of the other drives but then only access is through there and
then basically re-format the C drive so that is empty and keep it
empty. Now I know I can just install XP on the other drive, but once
that is done how do I make it boot from there, and not the C drive,
and then how do I go about re-formating the C drive w/o losing
anything that might be vital.

Thank you in advence
Click to expand...

Well I see both of you are recomending getting a new drive. Could I
just use the 3rd, "F" (empty), drive that is already on my PC? And if
I can could I just then install XP on it and set the bios to boot from
the F drive. And even furtheremore if that is possible could I then
make the "F" drive the "C" drive or would I have to go through the
trouble of installing on F reformatting C and then using the recover
tools?

And my final question, I saw that Rock mentioned a cloning solution.
Could I use that solution with my "F" drive. Clone the C drive onto
the empty "F" drive and then reformat "C". I am trying to avoid
having to open up the PC and moving drives.

Thanks once again in advance.

PS. Sorry for posting a new question as a reply
 
yes you can do that, but to clone "C" to "F" and have it behave as "C" you will have to make it the real "C" drive. otherwise all the links in the registry will still point to "C" but it resides on "F". that's probably confusing.

do not believe there is any real EASY way to do this without moving/replacing a hard drive.




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you have several options.
swap positions with the 3gb and one of the other drives. then install xp.

set the bios to boot from one of the other drives and install xp.

if you install xp to one of the other drives and leave the "C" drive in place the boot information is still installed on to the "C" drive.
so if you then format it you once again lose the boot info. however it is easily fixable using recover console and tools from there.

I would recommend buying a new hard drive, replacing the 3gb and installing xp to it.

sorry to see you have been virtually spanked by our resident net nanny.

(e-mail address removed)




Gentlemen I have sort of a similar problem.

My problem is as follows my PC has 3 drives and the C drive is a
pathetic 3Gigs. Now the OS is on that drive and I have installed all
my other stuff on the other two drives and have all my files on the
other two drives, but since some systme level files go to the C drive
anyway that drive has gotten to the point where it is filled and I can
barely do anything on my PC. Now what I wanted to do was install XP
on one of the other drives but then only access is through there and
then basically re-format the C drive so that is empty and keep it
empty. Now I know I can just install XP on the other drive, but once
that is done how do I make it boot from there, and not the C drive,
and then how do I go about re-formating the C drive w/o losing
anything that might be vital.

Thank you in advence
Click to expand...

Well I see both of you are recomending getting a new drive. Could I
just use the 3rd, "F" (empty), drive that is already on my PC? And if
I can could I just then install XP on it and set the bios to boot from
the F drive. And even furtheremore if that is possible could I then
make the "F" drive the "C" drive or would I have to go through the
trouble of installing on F reformatting C and then using the recover
tools?

And my final question, I saw that Rock mentioned a cloning solution.
Could I use that solution with my "F" drive. Clone the C drive onto
the empty "F" drive and then reformat "C". I am trying to avoid
having to open up the PC and moving drives.

Thanks once again in advance.

PS. Sorry for posting a new question as a reply
 
yes you can do that, but to clone "C" to "F" and have it behave as "C" you will have to make it the real "C" drive. otherwise all the links in the registry will still point to "C" but it resides on "F". that's probably confusing.

do not believe there is any real EASY way to do this without moving/replacing a hard drive.

(e-mail address removed)




Well I see both of you are recomending getting a new drive. Could I
just use the 3rd, "F" (empty), drive that is already on my PC? And if
I can could I just then install XP on it and set the bios to boot from
the F drive. And even furtheremore if that is possible could I then
make the "F" drive the "C" drive or would I have to go through the
trouble of installing on F reformatting C and then using the recover
tools?

And my final question, I saw that Rock mentioned a cloning solution.
Could I use that solution with my "F" drive. Clone the C drive onto
the empty "F" drive and then reformat "C". I am trying to avoid
having to open up the PC and moving drives.

Thanks once again in advance.

PS. Sorry for posting a new question as a reply
Click to expand...

Now to make "F" the true "C" drive do I just open up the PC and change
the ribbon strips and the jumpers? Or is there something else I have
to do?? And my final question how do I clone it, does XP have a way
to clone the drives or do I have to get some sort of 3rd party
software??

Once again thank you in advance.
 
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