Install XP over Win 98 SE

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Rob

Am recent subscriber to this ng, so have missed the probably many posts on
this Q.
Does XP delete or overwrite files unneeded for the new OS? If so, that might
save much time re-installing programs. Or over-installing may just be an
unthinkable option for the highly knowledgeable upgraders.

Appreciate your views.
 
Rob,

My personal opinion is to install a fresh copy of Windows XP. Remember that
Win 98 is FAT32 & the preferred filed system for XP is NTFS.

Upgrading will still keep some features of XP because it will never be fully
upgraded & after ironong out all the problems you are just as well format &
install from scatch

You can of course backup your system to another drive which means you can
resore to that date with an clean image. You can do this just as easily as
Norton Ghost.

I hope this has been beneficial
 
Thanks, Newbie, it *has* been bebeficial to read your post. Format seemed
best to me, withour knowing much about the pros/cons, but am hoping to make
some quite old utilities run, and install-over was my wild guess to
facilitate retention.

Rob

| Rob,
|
| My personal opinion is to install a fresh copy of Windows XP. Remember
that
| Win 98 is FAT32 & the preferred filed system for XP is NTFS.
|
| Upgrading will still keep some features of XP because it will never be
fully
| upgraded & after ironong out all the problems you are just as well format
&
| install from scatch
|
| You can of course backup your system to another drive which means you can
| resore to that date with an clean image. You can do this just as easily as
| Norton Ghost.
|
| I hope this has been beneficial
|
| --
| Newbie Coder
| (It's just a name)
|
|
 
Rob said:
Am recent subscriber to this ng, so have missed the probably many posts on
this Q.
Does XP delete or overwrite files unneeded for the new OS? If so, that might
save much time re-installing programs. Or over-installing may just be an
unthinkable option for the highly knowledgeable upgraders.

Appreciate your views.

See the article on upgrading to Windows XP by MVP Gary Woodruff at
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpupgrad.htm


I disagree with the comments made by "Newbie Coder". With Windows XP
the upgrade process was change significantly. What now happens is
that the XP Upgrade starts by renaming the existing Windows folder to
a temporary name. Then it creates a new Windows folder and does a
basic clean install of Windows XP. Once this is finished it examines
the old Windows folder and the old registry data and imports whatever
is actually needed into the the Windows folder and registry. The old
Windows folder is then deleted.

This minimizes the "carryover" from the old version of Windows to
Windows XP and results in a much cleaner install than what happened
with earlier Windows upgrades.

And if the upgrade does prove to be problematic then you still have
the option of wiping it out and doing a clean install. But if it
works out okay (and the vast majority of upgrades to XP do turn out
well) then you have saved the hours and hours and hours of work that
it usually takes to reinstall applications, get them updated and
configured, and restore the data files from backups.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
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has never been in bed with a mosquito."
 
Rob said:
Am recent subscriber to this ng, so have missed the probably many posts on
this Q.

Only a little over 5 years of posts.
Does XP delete or overwrite files unneeded for the new OS? If so, that might
save much time re-installing programs. Or over-installing may just be an
unthinkable option for the highly knowledgeable upgraders.

If your computer has the basic requirements to run XP, then go ahead
and UPGRADE.
 
Rob said:
Am recent subscriber to this ng, so have missed the probably many
posts on this Q.
Does XP delete or overwrite files unneeded for the new OS? If so,
that might save much time re-installing programs. Or over-installing
may just be an unthinkable option for the highly knowledgeable
upgraders.

Appreciate your views.


Although many people will tell you that formatting and installing cleanly is
the best way to go, I disagree. Unlike with previous versions of Windows, an
upgrade to XP replaces almost everything, and usually works very well.

My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much easier
than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and reinstall
cleanly if problems develop.

However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need to
backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to upgrade, it's
always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden power loss can occur
in the middle of it and cause the loss of everything. For that reason you
should make sure you have backups and anything else you need to reinstall if
the worst happens.
 
Rob said:
Am recent subscriber to this ng, so have missed the probably many posts on
this Q.
Does XP delete or overwrite files unneeded for the new OS? If so, that
might
save much time re-installing programs. Or over-installing may just be an
unthinkable option for the highly knowledgeable upgraders.

If you want to research old posts on a topic, and one should before posting
a new question, a good tool for this is Google Groups Advanced search. You
can search by author, subject, keywords and dates and specify particular
newsgroups.

http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en

A Google web search is an excellent tool as well. www.google.com. Search
on Upgrade windows 98 SE XP will get you all kinds of info.
 
Rob said:
Am recent subscriber to this ng, so have missed the probably many posts on
this Q.
Does XP delete or overwrite files unneeded for the new OS? If so, that might
save much time re-installing programs. Or over-installing may just be an
unthinkable option for the highly knowledgeable upgraders.

Appreciate your views.
I understand that WinXP will not support dual boot (like Win2K did).
 
If the question is just a raw "update" over previous 98SE, will it probably
work, sure...

Does the upgrade delete the 98SE OS files, its updates, and program files,
no...

Will all your 3rd party programs work in XP, probably, but not
guaranteed....

A full install of 98SE is around 200MB. With all updates, some only
manually available, installation may be around 400MB. Add any 3rd party
installs. All this is still cluttering your hard drive...

May something occur in the upgrade where you're unable to complete the
installation, possible...

In such an occurence, will it be more difficult to recover personal settings
and files, probably...

Should you save any and everything you could possibly want prior to a clean
install or upgrade, always...
 
Rob said:
Am recent subscriber to this ng, so have missed the probably many posts on
this Q.
Does XP delete or overwrite files unneeded for the new OS?


Actually, as part of the upgrade from Win98 (as your subject implies),
and after reading the information needed to transfer as many of the user
settings as possible, WinXP archives the earlier operating system's
files, so you can "uninstall" or back out of the upgrade if it should
later prove necessary or desirable.

If so, that might
save much time re-installing programs.


Yes, an in-place upgrade can certainly be a time safer. WinXP is
designed to install and upgrade the existing operating system while
simultaneously preserving your applications and data, and translating as
many personalized settings as possible. The process is designed to be,
and normally is, quite painless. That said, things can go wrong, in a
small number of cases. If your data is at all important to you, back it
up before proceeding.

Have you verified that all of your PC's hardware components are
capable of supporting WinXP? This information will be found at the PC's
manufacturer's web site, and on Microsoft's Windows Catalog:
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx)

You should also take a few minutes to ensure that there are
WinXP-specific device drivers available for all of the machine's
components. There may not be, if the PC was specifically designed for
Win98/Me. Also bear in mind that PCs designed for, sold and run fine
with Win9x/Me very often do not meet WinXP's much more stringent
hardware quality requirements. This is particularly true of many early
models in Compaq's consumer-class Presario product line or HP's
consumer-class Pavilion product line. WinXP, like WinNT and Win2K
before it, is quite sensitive to borderline defective or substandard
hardware (particularly motherboards, RAM and hard drives) that will
still support Win9x.

HOW TO Prepare to Upgrade Win98 or WinMe
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q316639

Upgrading to Windows XP
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpupgrad.htm
Or over-installing may just be an
unthinkable option for the highly knowledgeable upgraders.

Actually, it's just the opposite.

Some people will recommend that you perform a clean installation,
rather than upgrade over an earlier OS. For the most part, I feel that
these people, while well-meaning, are living in the past, are basing
their recommendation on their experiences with older operating systems,
or are simply inexperienced and uninformed. You'd probably save a lot
of time by upgrading your PC to WinXP, rather than performing a clean
installation, if you've no hardware or software incompatibilities.
Microsoft has greatly improved (over earlier versions of Windows)
WinXP's ability to smoothly upgrade an earlier OS.

Certainly, there are times when an in-place upgrade is
contra-indicated:

1) When the underlying hardware isn't certified as being fully
compatible with the newer OS, and/or updated device drivers are not
available from the device's manufacturer. Of course, this condition also
causes problems with clean installations.

2) When the original OS is corrupt, damaged, and/or virus/malware
infested. I've also seen simple, straight-forward upgrades from WinXP
Home to WinXP Pro fail because the computer owner had let the system
become malware-infested. Upgrading over a problematic OS isn't normally
a wise course to establishing a stable installation.

3) When the new OS isn't designed to properly, correctly, and safely
perform an upgrade.

A properly prepared and maintained PC can almost always be
successfully upgraded by a knowledgeable and competent individual. I've
lost count of the systems I've seen that have been upgraded from Win95
to Win98 to Win2K to WinXP (usually with incremental hardware upgrades
over the same time period), without the need for a clean installation,
and that are still operating without any problems attributable to upgrades.



--

Bruce Chambers

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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
 
Newbie said:
Rob,

My personal opinion is to install a fresh copy of Windows XP. Remember that
Win 98 is FAT32 & the preferred filed system for XP is NTFS.


Irrelevant. The file system can easily and safely be converted to NTFS
after the OS upgrade.

Upgrading will still keep some features of XP because it will never be fully
upgraded & after ironong out all the problems you are just as well format &
install from scatch

I think you meant to say "... keep some features of _98_ ....," but
that is completely untrue. Information from the Win9x installation is
read and translated, it is not "kept" in its original state.




--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
 
Robert said:
I understand that WinXP will not support dual boot (like Win2K did).


That's incorrect. In point of fact, WinXP does support dual-booting,
and in exactly the same manner as WinNT and Win2K before it.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
 
Thanks for your observations and advice, Bruce. I'm struggling along through
archived newsgroup articles, aumha.org, MS and other websites. It will be a
fingers-crossed type of installation.

Mine is a home-built (purists would insist it's "assembled" & they'd be
right, but I try to get away with a feeble brag). Hardware OK for XP home,,
except for a 5 year old mobo. I have an email out to tech support on that,
but I think it should work. Board supports 512MB mem and more than the 1GHz
cpu that I have, so am proceeding.
--
RobF


| Rob wrote:
| > Am recent subscriber to this ng, so have missed the probably many posts
on
| > this Q.
| > Does XP delete or overwrite files unneeded for the new OS?
|
|
| Actually, as part of the upgrade from Win98 (as your subject implies),
| and after reading the information needed to transfer as many of the user
| settings as possible, WinXP archives the earlier operating system's
| files, so you can "uninstall" or back out of the upgrade if it should
| later prove necessary or desirable.
|
|
| > If so, that might
| > save much time re-installing programs.
|
|
| Yes, an in-place upgrade can certainly be a time safer. WinXP is
| designed to install and upgrade the existing operating system while
| simultaneously preserving your applications and data, and translating as
| many personalized settings as possible. The process is designed to be,
| and normally is, quite painless. That said, things can go wrong, in a
| small number of cases. If your data is at all important to you, back it
| up before proceeding.
|
| Have you verified that all of your PC's hardware components are
| capable of supporting WinXP? This information will be found at the PC's
| manufacturer's web site, and on Microsoft's Windows Catalog:
| (http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx)
|
| You should also take a few minutes to ensure that there are
| WinXP-specific device drivers available for all of the machine's
| components. There may not be, if the PC was specifically designed for
| Win98/Me. Also bear in mind that PCs designed for, sold and run fine
| with Win9x/Me very often do not meet WinXP's much more stringent
| hardware quality requirements. This is particularly true of many early
| models in Compaq's consumer-class Presario product line or HP's
| consumer-class Pavilion product line. WinXP, like WinNT and Win2K
| before it, is quite sensitive to borderline defective or substandard
| hardware (particularly motherboards, RAM and hard drives) that will
| still support Win9x.
|
| HOW TO Prepare to Upgrade Win98 or WinMe
| http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q316639
|
| Upgrading to Windows XP
| http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpupgrad.htm
|
| > Or over-installing may just be an
| > unthinkable option for the highly knowledgeable upgraders.
| >
|
| Actually, it's just the opposite.
|
| Some people will recommend that you perform a clean installation,
| rather than upgrade over an earlier OS. For the most part, I feel that
| these people, while well-meaning, are living in the past, are basing
| their recommendation on their experiences with older operating systems,
| or are simply inexperienced and uninformed. You'd probably save a lot
| of time by upgrading your PC to WinXP, rather than performing a clean
| installation, if you've no hardware or software incompatibilities.
| Microsoft has greatly improved (over earlier versions of Windows)
| WinXP's ability to smoothly upgrade an earlier OS.
|
| Certainly, there are times when an in-place upgrade is
| contra-indicated:
|
| 1) When the underlying hardware isn't certified as being fully
| compatible with the newer OS, and/or updated device drivers are not
| available from the device's manufacturer. Of course, this condition also
| causes problems with clean installations.
|
| 2) When the original OS is corrupt, damaged, and/or virus/malware
| infested. I've also seen simple, straight-forward upgrades from WinXP
| Home to WinXP Pro fail because the computer owner had let the system
| become malware-infested. Upgrading over a problematic OS isn't normally
| a wise course to establishing a stable installation.
|
| 3) When the new OS isn't designed to properly, correctly, and safely
| perform an upgrade.
|
| A properly prepared and maintained PC can almost always be
| successfully upgraded by a knowledgeable and competent individual. I've
| lost count of the systems I've seen that have been upgraded from Win95
| to Win98 to Win2K to WinXP (usually with incremental hardware upgrades
| over the same time period), without the need for a clean installation,
| and that are still operating without any problems attributable to
upgrades.
|
|
|
| --
|
| Bruce Chambers
|
| Help us help you:
|
|
|
| They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
| safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
|
| Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
Russell
 
Just one more thing. Hard drive deterioration occurs over time on the
platter(s). I've found that if I write zeroes to a used drive that
otherwise works perfectly over the years, and redo the partition(s), clean
install the OS, seems to work better over time vs. just leaving things as
they are. Can help eliminate highly intermittent/low occurrence problems
seemingly associated with the OS where no solution can be found. This is
assuming the RAM is performing properly in all situations. Not all problems
originate from the OS or other software.

--
Noncompliant

For corporate legal advice regarding the EULA for XP, check with a lawyer
qualified in corporate law.

Noncompliant said:
If the question is just a raw "update" over previous 98SE, will it
probably work, sure...

Does the upgrade delete the 98SE OS files, its updates, and program files,
no...

Will all your 3rd party programs work in XP, probably, but not
guaranteed....

A full install of 98SE is around 200MB. With all updates, some only
manually available, installation may be around 400MB. Add any 3rd party
installs. All this is still cluttering your hard drive...

May something occur in the upgrade where you're unable to complete the
installation, possible...

In such an occurence, will it be more difficult to recover personal
settings and files, probably...

Should you save any and everything you could possibly want prior to a
clean install or upgrade, always...
 
Many thanks to all responders.
--
RobF


| Am recent subscriber to this ng, so have missed the probably many posts on
| this Q.
| Does XP delete or overwrite files unneeded for the new OS? If so, that
might
| save much time re-installing programs. Or over-installing may just be an
| unthinkable option for the highly knowledgeable upgraders.
|
| Appreciate your views.
| --
| RobF
|
|
 
Rob said:
Many thanks to all responders.
"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
| Am recent subscriber to this ng, so have missed the probably many posts
on
| this Q.
| Does XP delete or overwrite files unneeded for the new OS? If so, that
might
| save much time re-installing programs. Or over-installing may just be an
| unthinkable option for the highly knowledgeable upgraders.

You're welcome.
 
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