India is the un-China, says Time

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http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm

A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
phrase: India is the un-China.

Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
 
"Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm

A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
phrase: India is the un-China.

Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
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As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax last
year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the lack
of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
here all day.
 
If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
"reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
US) hit the job market in a few years.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
 
Dr. Jai Maharaj said:
If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
"reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
US) hit the job market in a few years.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to continue
getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competitor,
sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the bad
transport system.
 
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India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to continue
getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competitor,
sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the bad
transport system.
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they have a couple of privately managed special economic
zones/townships coming up. A big one near Delhi will be coming up in a
few yrs (courtsey Reliance Industries) and they hope to be at par with
intl manufacturing centres. The cities that have been in existence for
100+ yrs are beyond repair/modification -so you need to look at whats
going to come next rather than what exists.

regards
-kamal
 
Murphy said:
"Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"


As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax last
year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the lack
of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
here all day.
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Nah, BPO is growing at 30% a year in India. That's down from 50%+ a few
years back, but it is still healthy.

Indian companies have made a good amount of money during this period.
Now they are prowling to acquire companies in Europe.

The Indian BPO saga is here to stay - for as long as the young English
speaking Indians want it to. After that, Indian companies will hire
Nepalis/Sri Lankans/Burmese etc.


Adi Anant
 
Murphy said:
"Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"


As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax last
year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the lack
of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
here all day.
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Back-sourcing: lack of talent is not the cause of this phenomenon. The
fault is greed and the lack of knowledge of the people and the culture
of the out-sourced country. All the executives saw was the labour cost,
the ability to speak and understand English, and the ability to work a
computer keyboard.All the promoters saw was the savings in money
because of the differences in labour cost. On paper it looked like a
profit making system.

Let us look at just the "Telephone Answering Service". No one took into
consideration whether a bright young Indian telephone operator would
easily understand a broad Yorkshireman or a Scotsman who has never
travelled out of Glasgow all his life with their heavy regional accent.
Or vice versa, whether, these men could understand the accent of a
young Indian who spoke like everyone else from their village? Or
whether the Indian operator understood English colloqialisms or diction
not normally used in India? The use of diction, varies with regions,
and pronounciations also vary a great deal. Then there is the
geography, and the references to local shops, that are by-words in
England but never heard of in India. Like, the "chippy", or "Boots",
or"visionexpress", or "MnS", or "Natwest", or "bt", or "2 quids
worth", or "surgery", or "will it be a Chinese or Indian?"and so many
phrases in common use here that makes no sense over there. So naturally
there is complete frustration, and that leads to mistrust and
suspicions. Would you dare make a bank transfer when you are not sure
if you were properly understood?

So The sponsor company management did not understand what was the real
spoken English usuage in India, and the Indian manager assumed that
there would be no problems, that could not be surmounted. This has led
to a completely fiasco of that outsourced Telephone Answering Service.
That is just one example of lack of understand of one another.
 
Back-sourcing: lack of talent is not the cause of this phenomenon. The
fault is greed and the lack of knowledge of the people and the culture
of the out-sourced country. All the executives saw was the labour cost,
the ability to speak and understand English, and the ability to work a
computer keyboard.All the promoters saw was the savings in money
because of the differences in labour cost. On paper it looked like a
profit making system.

Let us look at just the "Telephone Answering Service". No one took into
consideration whether a bright young Indian telephone operator would
easily understand a broad Yorkshireman or a Scotsman who has never
travelled out of Glasgow all his life with their heavy regional accent.
Or vice versa, whether, these men could understand the accent of a
young Indian who spoke like everyone else from their village? Or
whether the Indian operator understood English colloqialisms or diction
not normally used in India? The use of diction, varies with regions,
and pronounciations also vary a great deal. Then there is the
geography, and the references to local shops, that are by-words in
England but never heard of in India. Like, the "chippy", or "Boots",
or"visionexpress", or "MnS", or "Natwest", or "bt", or "2 quids
worth", or "surgery", or "will it be a Chinese or Indian?"and so many
phrases in common use here that makes no sense over there. So naturally
there is complete frustration, and that leads to mistrust and
suspicions. Would you dare make a bank transfer when you are not sure
if you were properly understood?

So The sponsor company management did not understand what was the real
spoken English usuage in India, and the Indian manager assumed that
there would be no problems, that could not be surmounted. This has led
to a completely fiasco of that outsourced Telephone Answering Service.
That is just one example of lack of understand of one another.
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You have to realize something: a lot of companies simply don't
want voice contact with their customers. For them the accent
difference works wonders.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
 
You have to realize something: a lot of companies simply don't
want voice contact with their customers. For them the accent
difference works wonders.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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The use of outsourced Telephone Srvice and call ceantres in India is
actually a problem. The accent, not the use of the English language, is very
difficult to understand. The accent difference is without doubt a
hinderence, and some companies are experiencing a loss of customers due to
this. They also have a different type of character which affects the
communication between the two way conversation. Some companies, Dell for
instance, offer a premium service where instead of getting a robot in India
reading from a que card you get straight through to someone in your own
country who you can discuss the problem with properly.
Basically, India is the cheap option...
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www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
The use of outsourced Telephone Srvice and call ceantres in India is
actually a problem. The accent, not the use of the English language, is very
difficult to understand. The accent difference is without doubt a
hinderence, and some companies are experiencing a loss of customers due to
this. They also have a different type of character which affects the
communication between the two way conversation. Some companies, Dell for
instance, offer a premium service where instead of getting a robot in India
reading from a que card you get straight through to someone in your own
country who you can discuss the problem with properly.
Basically, India is the cheap option...
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I wonder how many customers are actually being "lost" due
to the differences in accent. But as far as inexpensive
options are concerned, saving money is as much a corporate
priority as it is a personal one. One also has to strike a
balance between customer satisfaction through better products
and customer satisfaction through better customer support. The
former is really the key to the latter.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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give the hindus a little time to catch up on the accents. they are trying
hard and learning every day. it seems they get the american accents quite
well. the funny brit accent can be a problem - even for the brits: the
murphy's law originated in britain, which says no matter how clearly you
explain people will misunderstand you.


 
I doubt if many of them are Hindus. One-hundred percent of the
people answering the phones at the call centers in Bharat that I
have talked to and quizzed have been Christian converts. I have
talked to many; some have confided in me that conversion is a
job requirement. maybe the company owners are under the impression
that this will impress the western callers.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
 
it's easy to reconvert back. i ask them their real hindu names, and make
them feel proud of their heritage.
having to convert out for financial reason alone reflects poorly on the
society, the country and the world, and most importantly on the paymasters
who create, encourage or ignore that environment of slavery.

the real reason for the assumption of kirastani names is not really that it
makes one appear caller-friendly (the caller would have to be really an sob
bigot to expect that, and most callers are not), but to cushion off the
anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against outsourcing. a
lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past, and still are, but the
racists like lou dobbs were ok with it. lou dobs never raises a word about
jobs "lost" to ireland, eg. the damn racists are so transparent, you can see
their ugly brains and corroded souls.
 
but to cushion off the
anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against outsourcing. a
lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past,
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The fact is, it is cheap labour. You take someone with little or limited
knowledge on a subject and you can pay them peanuts.
The only reason the call centres are outsourced is to save money.
 
Maynard said:
but to cushion off the
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The fact is, it is cheap labour. You take someone with little or limited
knowledge on a subject and you can pay them peanuts.
The only reason the call centres are outsourced is to save money.
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Lack of effective understanding, and the confusion it caused, and the
mistakes created because of the differences in the usage of English has
practically killed off this Offshore Call Service practice except for a
few special cases. And this is due to the lack of understanding of the
different cultures and regional and coloqial language usuage in
different parts of the world. It is no reflection on the operators, but
it does reflect upon the judgement of the management who promoted this
idea for their lack of perception.
 
Maynard Man said:
but to cushion off the
#

The fact is, it is cheap labour. You take someone with little or limited
knowledge on a subject and you can pay them peanuts.
The only reason the call centres are outsourced is to save money.
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it's a shame many americans fail to see this in geopolitical and strategic
terms which has a direct bearing on next 100 yrs.

usa has a vested interest in seeing the hindus succeed and get them in the
american orbit. this is a very simple truth, philosophically foremost, and
equally practically.
the american people, therefore, need to be more appreciative of them, and
should show patience like you would with any one trying to learn the ropes
in your neighborhood. don't put them down in moments of frustration and
haste. they are fast learners and most importantly, meticulously civilized
people who are eager join the ranks of the civilized countries of the world,
and who deserve a break after over 10 centuries of oppression. did you know
that india is about the only country that has a favorable opinon of the usa
with a rating of 70pct? (ie a number pretty consistent with the hindu pct
population in india)

when you look at the whole vast stretch of earth in the noneuropean lands,
there aren't many worthy democracies that are going anywhere in a hurry.
the hindus are; so get them on board. they want to be in your team, the
time is right, they are well on their way up, the cost is little, and they
are a positive influence in society. it isn't money only, however. usa is
already engaged with india at nearly all levels of civil society. a few
dislocations within usa as a result is a very small adjustment to make. usa
has paid far far bigger price in the past for such things. this issue needs
thinking outside the box.
 
it's a shame many americans fail to see this in geopolitical and strategic
terms which has a direct bearing on next 100 yrs.

usa has a vested interest in seeing the hindus succeed and get them in the
american orbit. this is a very simple truth, philosophically foremost, and
equally practically.
the american people, therefore, need to be more appreciative of them, and
should show patience like you would with any one trying to learn the ropes
in your neighborhood. don't put them down in moments of frustration and
haste. they are fast learners and most importantly, meticulously civilized
people who are eager join the ranks of the civilized countries of the world,
and who deserve a break after over 10 centuries of oppression. did you know
that india is about the only country that has a favorable opinon of the usa
with a rating of 70pct? (ie a number pretty consistent with the hindu pct
population in india)

when you look at the whole vast stretch of earth in the noneuropean lands,
there aren't many worthy democracies that are going anywhere in a hurry.
the hindus are; so get them on board. they want to be in your team, the
time is right, they are well on their way up, the cost is little, and they
are a positive influence in society. it isn't money only, however. usa is
already engaged with india at nearly all levels of civil society. a few
dislocations within usa as a result is a very small adjustment to make. usa
has paid far far bigger price in the past for such things. this issue needs
thinking outside the box.
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Great post, harmony ji. The recommendation that the world's
two biggest democracies -- Bharat (aka India) and the US --
cooperate in every way possible comes from nearly all sources.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
 
Johnny said:
It is a good thing that you do by asking them their
real names, but aren't their supervisors listening in
usually or the conversations recorded? My concern is
about their getting fired for not staying on track.
They are being forced to use firangee names.
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That's not what you wrote, you lying worthless piece of shit! You wrote:

 
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