how will C# (et. al.) be released this year?

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I was looking at the price listing for Visual Studio, and I noticed that
the "Express Editions" were listed at $50. Does this mean that the
individual languages are being released as EE, even when they are
officially released? I thought EE was a beta term.

Or was what I was looking at something for VS specifically, and not the
individual languages? Basically I'm wondering what the new name for C#
will be. Visual C# .NET Standard? Or something that involves Express
Edition?
 
My understanding is that C# will be C#. There's no Standard Edition,
Express Edition, etc - those are all Visual Studio terms. In the case
of VS EE, you'd get only a C# IDE, or VB.NET IDE, or something tailered
to SQL Server, etc. The only thing different is the feature set of the
IDE, not the language itself.

Hope that helps (and that I'm right ...)
Clint
 
Clint said:
My understanding is that C# will be C#. There's no Standard Edition,
Express Edition, etc - those are all Visual Studio terms. In the case
of VS EE, you'd get only a C# IDE, or VB.NET IDE, or something tailered
to SQL Server, etc. The only thing different is the feature set of the
IDE, not the language itself.

Hope that helps (and that I'm right ...)
Clint
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So there *will* be a separate program for C#, and I'm guessing it'll be
around $100?
 
John said:
So there *will* be a separate program for C#, and I'm guessing it'll be
around $100?
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The C# compiler itself lives within the .NET framework, which is free.
If you want an IDE, you'll have to pay for it. The Express Editions,
priced at $49, are the cheapest versions, with pretty limited
functionality, though still perfectly useful. If you need more, you'll
have to get some higher version of visual studio. For details see:

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/productinfo/productline/

HTH,
Stefan
 
Stefan said:
The C# compiler itself lives within the .NET framework, which is free.
If you want an IDE, you'll have to pay for it. The Express Editions,
priced at $49, are the cheapest versions, with pretty limited
functionality, though still perfectly useful. If you need more, you'll
have to get some higher version of visual studio. For details see:

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/productinfo/productline/
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Thanks for the link, but this is exactly what's confusing me. I
understand that Visual Studio is the name for the software that contains
all the languages. Currently you can buy the IDEs for each language
individually as well.

What I'm wondering is, when the 2005 product line is released, is there
going to be something that is the equivalent of what Visual C# .NET 2003
Standard is right now?

This whole issue with "Express Edition" confuses me because I thought
this was just a term for the beta releases. But according to this chart,
it looks like they are going to release the EE as actual retail
products. If that's the case, are they going to be any less functional
than the individual IDEs that are available now?
 
John said:
Thanks for the link, but this is exactly what's confusing me. I
understand that Visual Studio is the name for the software that contains
all the languages. Currently you can buy the IDEs for each language
individually as well.
Click to expand...

AFAIK, the final pricing and visual editions have not been confirmed
yet, but I'd guess that the only separate editions will be the Express
Editions. I don't know much about the feature set of the 2003 standard
editions, but as the price is halved, I'd expect that the feature set
will be reduced as well. On the other hand, the express edition are
aimed mainly at "students, hobbyists, and enthusiasts" or whatever, with
"streamlined" development. The interface is not exactly the same as for
the higher editions, just with features removed. It's best for you to
download a beta (not the CTPs, they're pretty unstable) and try if it
suits your needs. If not, there's still the new Visual Studio Standard
2005 for estimated $299.
What I'm wondering is, when the 2005 product line is released, is there
going to be something that is the equivalent of what Visual C# .NET 2003
Standard is right now?
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As I've mentioned above, probably not an exact equivalent. The only
"standard" edition will be the VS 2005 Standard, and the EEs won't be a
full replacement.
This whole issue with "Express Edition" confuses me because I thought
this was just a term for the beta releases. But according to this chart,
it looks like they are going to release the EE as actual retail
products. If that's the case, are they going to be any less functional
than the individual IDEs that are available now?
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No, the Express Edition is a completely new edition of visual studio,
not only a beta product. See:

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/

HTH,
Stefan
 
Stefan said:
AFAIK, the final pricing and visual editions have not been confirmed
yet, but I'd guess that the only separate editions will be the Express
Editions. I don't know much about the feature set of the 2003 standard
editions, but as the price is halved, I'd expect that the feature set
will be reduced as well.
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Well that's disappointing, if that's the case. I wonder if it's not
better to just use the current IDE (although I guess you'd lose all the
new C# stuff).

Oh well, $300 is a little too much just for C# (since that's all I
want), so I guess I need the Express Edition anyway.
 
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