How to back up system???

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I hear alot about backing up your system and what to back up. But how do I
do that?? Do I do it by puchasing a USB flash drive, external hard drive or
what? I don't have a dvd burner so I can't do it that way. Any help would
be appreciated it.
thanks in advance
 
Stacey said:
I hear alot about backing up your system and what to back up. But how do I
do that?? Do I do it by puchasing a USB flash drive, external hard drive or
what? I don't have a dvd burner so I can't do it that way. Any help would
be appreciated it.
thanks in advance

If you have usb 2.0, an external hd is a relatively inexpensive solution
these days. I image the system using booitng from
www.terabyteunlimited.com. A lot of people like Acronis.
Dave Cohen
 
Stacey said:
I hear alot about backing up your system and what to back up. But how do I
do that?? Do I do it by puchasing a USB flash drive, external hard drive or
what? I don't have a dvd burner so I can't do it that way. Any help would
be appreciated it.
thanks in advance


I am looking into this question myself. It seems that you need to make an
“image†of your drive. I suggest you go to www.acronis.com. Of course they
sell Acronis True Image V9+ for $50 for home use, but they have links to
several interesting articles about backing up your system and your hard
drive. It's a start.
 
Felix said:
I am looking into this question myself. It seems that you need to make an
“image†of your drive.

that's only one method of backing up. Depends whether you need to do a full
sytem backup, or whether you just need to backup data....
 
Great ideas. I was looking at the external hard drives. Basically I want to
back up, photos, music and personal files. But I should probably do the
whole computer. I don't understand what this Acronis is. Don't you have to
physically have something in order to back up system? What happens if the
system crashes?
thanks again for all the great advice.
 
Hi Stacey..

I've been using Acronis Home for months now and I have to say it comes very
highly recommended.

It is best used in connection with an external drive, although Acronis will
allow you to create a partition (an area on your hard drive which XP will
treat as a separate drive) called the 'Acronis Secure Zone' which is hidden
and holds the images that you create when you back up.

It's the worse feeling in the world when something goes wrong and you are
left blinking in disbelief that your O.S. has been lost and you have to go
again from scratch. I can never stress enough the importance of backing up
your data.

Give Acronis a try, it was recommended to me by many users on this very
newsgroup and I wouldn't be without it now.

I hope this helps you..

Big Liam :)
 
Stacey said:
OK, but if the system crashes how do you access the partion that has
all your stuff?

You want to do this in two parts:

1. General image of the entire system
2. Regular backups of just the data.

Acronis True Image will do both. Get a second hard drive, either
external or internal to store the system image and the backups. It is
wise to also burn the data backups to cd/dvd and put in a safe place.

When you install TI, you will make a bootable cd. When you boot with
this cd, it will start TI - you don't need to even have an OS
installed. From that program you will be able to restore an image (the
one you presumably have stored on the 2nd hard drive).

Malke
 
Stacey said:
I hear alot about backing up your system and what to back up. But
how do I do that?? Do I do it by puchasing a USB flash drive,
external hard drive or what? I don't have a dvd burner so I can't do
it that way. Any help would be appreciated it.


Here's my general blurb on backup:



First of all, almost everyone should be backing up regularly. It is always
possible that a hard drive crash, user error, nearby lightning strike, virus
attack, even theft of the computer, can cause the loss of everything on your
drive. As has often been said, it's not a matter of whether you will have
such a problem, but when.

Essentially you should back up what you can't afford to lose--what you can't
readily recreate. What that is depends on how you use your computer and what
you use it for.

It takes time and effort to backup, but it also takes time and effort to
recreate lost data. If you back up daily, you should never have to recreate
more than one day's worth of last data. If weekly, there's potentially a lot
more to recreate. You should assess how much pain and trouble you would have
if you lost x days of data, and then choose a backup frequency that doesn't
involve more pain and trouble than that you would have if you had to
recreate what was lost.

Some things (photographs, for instance) can never be recreated, and more
frequent backup may be wanted for them.

At one extreme is the professional user who would likely go out of business
if his data was lost. He probably needs to back up at least daily. At the
other extreme is the kid who doesn't use his computer except to play games.
He probably needs no backup at all, since worst case he can easily reinstall
his games.

Most of us fall somewhere between those extremes, but nobody can tell you
where you fall; you need to determine that for yourself.

Should you back up Windows? Should you back up your applications? Most
people will tell you no, since you can always reinstall these easily from
the original media. But I don't think the answer is so clear-cut. Many
people have substantial time and effort invested in customizing Windows and
configuring their apps to work the way they want to. Putting all of that
back the way it was can be a difficult, time-consuming effort. Whether you
should backup up Windows and apps depends, once again, on you.

How to backup? What software to use? There are many choices, including the
Windows-supplied backup program. Which choice is best for you depends at
least in part on the answers to some of the questions above.

Finally what backup media should you choose, and how should it be stored?
There are many choices, including CDs, tape, zip drives, and second hard
drives.

I don't recommend backup to a second non-removable hard drive because it
leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to
many of the most common dangers: severe power glitches, nearby lightning
strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer.

In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in
the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of
your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of
backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site.

My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two
identical removable hard drives. I alternate between the two, and use
Acronis True Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive.
 
In my perception, backup usually refers to keeping certain folders/files
copied to another source such as an external hard drive, thumb drive, CD,
DVD. etc. You should backup My Documents, the Windows Address Book,
Favorites, plus any other information, music, etc. plus anything else you do
want to lose. A good free program to do this with is an XP PowerToy from
Microsoft named SyncToy. Get it here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/prophoto/synctoy.mspx
..The download link is at the top right side. I would suggest you either buy
an external hard drive of about 160GB or install a second internal hard
drive if you have a vacant slot.
The second method others refer to is drive/partition imaging with such
programs as Nortons Ghost 10 or Save and Restore or Acronis True Image. A
free one is XXClone from here: http://www.xxclone.com/ (they offer both a
free and shareware version). The free one is limited to full imaging while
the shareware version offers incremental changes to already established full
images. For imaging, you will need the second ATA/SATA internal drive.
GeneK
 
Hi Stacey,

Most or all the questions you ask are answered in the articles you can find
in the Acronis Web site. I'm not suggesting you purchase their product,
that's up to you, but I think you will find these articles very useful.

Good luck,

Felix
 
When you say restore on the 2nd drive , does that mean an external hard drive
or the hidden one? thanks again.
 
Stacey said:
When you say restore on the 2nd drive , does that mean an external
hard drive or the hidden one? thanks again.

Stacey, give this a moment's thought - you make an image of the system
and store it *somewhere* so you can restore that image when you have no
workable operating system. I have no idea what you mean by "the hidden
one". You want to store your images on a *different* drive than the
target drive. It doesn't matter if it is an external or internal drive.
You *can* save the image on a different partition on a single hard
drive, but that gives you no protection if the hard drive fails.

As was previously suggested by another poster, even if you don't
purchase Acronis True Image they have a great deal of very useful
information about imaging. Go to www.acronis.com and read about imaging
and your questions will be answered.

Malke
 
Stacey said:
OK, but if the system crashes how do you access the partion that has all
your stuff?


Stacey said:
When you say restore on the 2nd drive , does that mean an external hard
drive > or the hidden one? thanks again.


Stacey:
As you've heard from Big Liam and others, the Acronis True Image program is
an excellent piece of software for backing up your system. Known as a "disk
imaging program", it has the considerable advantage of backing up your
entire system -- not only the data you have created but your operating
system including the registry and your installed programs -- in short
everything that's on your day-to-day working hard drive. In effect you can
routinely "clone" the contents of your working HDD to another HDD and thus
have at hand a duplicate of your working hard drive.

So that in the event your day-to-day hard drive becomes defective for one
reason or another and is unusable, you can use your "cloned" hard drive for
full recovery. While there are many backup programs on the market, unlike a
disk imaging program such as Acronis True Image (as you have heard, there
are other disk imaging programs as well), these backup programs are
primarily
designed to backup your created data, not your operating system and
installed programs. They're fine if your interest is solely in backing up
the data you've created.

Using the Acronis program for direct disk-to-disk cloning purposes is
relatively simple & straightforward and not too terribly time consuming.
Obviously you will need another hard drive to act as the recipient of the
cloned contents of your working hard drive. While you can use another
internal hard drive for this purpose, it probably would be more practical
for you to use a USB external hard drive as the "destination" hard drive.
While the USB external hard drive would not be bootable under these
circumstances, you could clone the contents of that drive back to an
internal hard drive for restoration purposes.

As to your query about how you could recover "if the system crashes" (I'm
assuming you're referring to your HDD becoming defective and no longer
operable or so dysfunctional that it's unbootable) -- you've put your finger
on a significant problem when you use a partition on the same hard drive to
store a disk image of the drive you're backing up. While you can do that
with the Acronis program as well as other disk imaging programs, in my view
that is not a wise course of action for most users for the reason you've
alluded to. Should the source hard drive containing the partition with the
disk image become defective in that it fails mechanically and/or
electronically or is otherwise not functional, what then? The "disk image"
residing on a partition of that failed hard drive becomes unrecoverable as
well. As Malke has pointed out, that's why it's usually best for most users
to use another hard drive - internal or external - as the recipient of the
disk image.

I would strongly recommend you use an external hard drive as the recipient
of the clone - either a USB or Firewire or SATA (should your machine have
SATA capability) external hard drive. Using the Acronis program for example,
you could undertake a direct disk-to-disk cloning operation so that your
destination drive would contain a duplicate of your source disk.

Another option would be to use the Acronis program to create a "disk image"
or backup archive file of your working HDD and store that image on either
another internal HDD (rather than on a partition of the source drive as
noted above) or onto a USB or Firewire external HDD. Then use the Acronis
Recovery program to restore your system should that become necessary. This
"disk image" process was the one referred to by Liam & Malke in their
responses to you. As Malke mentioned you would create what Acronis refers to
as "Bootable Rescue Media", i.e. a bootable CD containing the basic Acronis
program, which could be used in the Recovery process.

What all this comes down to is simply this...
Using the Acronis program you basically have two kinds of backup/recovery
processes that you can choose from - either a direct disk-to-disk cloning
process or creating a disk image (what Acronis refers to as a "backup
archive") and storing that image on another HDD, internal or external.
(Actually, in theory, you can store the image on DVDs but for most users
that's not a practical option in my view). In either case, both processes
are reasonably simple & straightforward to undertake.
Anna
 
Stacey said:
I hear alot about backing up your system and what to back up. But how do I
do that?? Do I do it by puchasing a USB flash drive, external hard drive or
what? I don't have a dvd burner so I can't do it that way. Any help would
be appreciated it.
thanks in advance
 
Stacey:
In my experience, the best way is to buy an external hard drive that
connects via USB. I bought a $35 external bay that any SATA drive can be
plugged in to. Next I bought a 750 GB SATA hard drive. Total cost from
Newegg was $125.

Now download the freeware Macrium Reflect software. This is similar to
Acronis True Image which is not freeware. Install this software on your
computer.

Firstly, use the Reflect software to create a bootable CD that you would
use to boot your computer if your system crashes.

Next use Reflect to create a FULL backup IMAGE (not a disk clone) of
your Windows system hard drive. Create this image on the new USB hard
drive. Verify it, using Reflect, to make sure it has no errors. Note:
this external drive will have room for many full images, create a new
one whenever you want to.

Now if you ever crash Windows, or if your C: drive dies, you have a
complete image of your C: drive. You can restore the image you made to a
new C: drive by booting the CD you made. With that CD running you can
restore your image and you are good to go again. You will not have to
re-install Windows or any programs, just restore the full image.

Sardine
 
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