high-end 14-inch laptop with XP Pro drivers?

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Can someone recommend a 14-inch high-end laptop with XP Pro drivers
available?

The HP Envy 14 would otherwise be good, but many of the necessary
drivers can't be obtained, apparently.
 
Can someone recommend a 14-inch high-end laptop with XP Pro drivers
available?

The HP Envy 14 would otherwise be good, but many of the necessary
drivers can't be obtained, apparently.

Try the HP EliteBook 8440p. Certain models come with w7 w/xp downgrade.
 
Try the HP EliteBook 8440p.  Certain models come with w7 w/xp downgrade..

Thanks - I'll have a look. But I'm getting confused over exactly what
HP and Microsoft mean by "downgrade". If I buy this machine, will I be
able to

A
* format the hard drive to remove everything to do with WIndows 7
* clean-install Win XP Pro from an OEM disc
* run drivers to drive everything in the hardware

or do I have to

B
* ask the pre-installed Windows 7 to run in "virtual XP" mode?

I am totally unclear as to:

1) whether "7-to-XP downgrade rights" always allow you to do A
2) whether, if you've bought a machine with preinstalled 7 allowing
such rights, and you follow path A, you're guaranteed to be OK with
drivers

???

Thanks!

Michael
 
Try the HP EliteBook 8440p.  Certain models come with w7 w/xp downgrade..

HP have said removing 7 and clean-installing XP from an OEM disc is
"not possible", by which I think they mean there would be major driver
problems.

I'd be grateful for any other recommendations.

Michael
 
Thanks - I'll have a look. But I'm getting confused over exactly what
HP and Microsoft mean by "downgrade". If I buy this machine, will I be
able to

A
* format the hard drive to remove everything to do with WIndows 7
* clean-install Win XP Pro from an OEM disc
* run drivers to drive everything in the hardware

Yes, this will work.
 
HP have said removing 7 and clean-installing XP from an OEM disc is
"not possible", by which I think they mean there would be major driver
problems.

Where have they said this? I load xp on these often enough with the xp
oem supplied media and get the drivers from the HP website.

The one Caveat is that you need to make sure you choose a model that
specifies the XP downgrade option such as this one:
http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=1990434&ContractID=0
 
HP have said removing 7 and clean-installing XP from an OEM disc is
"not possible", by which I think they mean there would be major driver
problems.

I'd be grateful for any other recommendations.

Michael

The HP user to user forums, may have discussions about installing
WinXP on the various models of laptops. Also, you might try
looking on one of the notebook forums (notebookreview ?),
as at least one of the sites has occasionally offered
advice on installing video drivers. I would consider the
video driver to be the toughest part, since the video
driver may contain details for the particular panel
used with the graphics chip. Not just any driver will
necessarily work. The drivers for notebooks, aren't
generic like for desktop video cards. For most of the
other bits and pieces of hardware, chances are you can
find the software needed elsewhere.

The implication of this, in terms of timing windows, is you'd
be looking at purchasing a notebook which is just about to
go out of production. That would give time, for the user
base to find the drivers and document the installation
recipe. If a notebook came out today, Thursday, you
would not expect the user base to have a complete answer
on Friday. So it'll mean buying a mature notebook, like
last year's model, and preferably one where the user base
has a complete recipe for installation.

In terms of the installation process, all you need to get
started, is the right driver to access the hard drive
inside the notebook. Be it the built-in WinXP vanilla
IDE driver, or pressing F6 and offering an AHCI driver.
For the AHCI driver (assuming a notebook where the BIOS
is "stuck" in AHCI mode), you'd likely need to build a
slipstreamed WinXP CD, using NLite. That might be enough,
for the Windows installer to use a built-in VESA video driver, and
you'd end up at 640x480, looking at WinXP after it is installed.
Then, you'd be faced with the rest of the driver recipe, and
lots of reboots. But to get past the AHCI issue, you'd work
with NLite to solve it (slipstream in the AHCI driver for
your chipset). The reason this is necessary, is the notebook
won't have a floppy drive, to offer drivers after pressing
F6.

http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html

For a short time, there was one chipset, where it was
"impossible" to find WinXP drivers for the chipset. But
that situation didn't stay that way (they showed up after
a few months). I think the odds are good, you can install
just about all the drivers needed. But don't buy a notebook,
without doing the necessary research first. You *must* buy
a popular model of notebook, if you expect other people
to figure this stuff out for you. If nobody has your
notebook, you'd be on your own.

Paul
 
Paul said:
The HP user to user forums, may have discussions about installing
WinXP on the various models of laptops. Also, you might try
looking on one of the notebook forums (notebookreview ?),
as at least one of the sites has occasionally offered
advice on installing video drivers. I would consider the
video driver to be the toughest part, since the video
driver may contain details for the particular panel
used with the graphics chip. Not just any driver will
necessarily work. The drivers for notebooks, aren't
generic like for desktop video cards. For most of the
other bits and pieces of hardware, chances are you can
find the software needed elsewhere.

That's very true. However, if the card happens to be an OEM Nvidia, the folks
at http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/ have drivers and inf files that work for any
card. Care must be taken, of course, but I found that downloading the generic
inf file for a particular driver (without any tweaks) will just allow it to
install, and have all the options available. (By care I mean - create a restore
point and a backup before trying anything.)
ATI drivers are available on http://www.omegadrivers.net/ (as well as Nvidia
ones), but I found the site much more confusing; plus, I haven't had an ATI card
recently, so have no experience with them.
One thing that annoys me no end is how some installations (especially factory
ones) have the video driver all over the place. After uninstalling it, it
silently installs again without giving you the option of choosing a version and
installing a different one. The only solution there is to run some utility
like DriverSweeper before rebooting.
 
Where have they said this?  I load xp on these often enough with the xp
oem supplied media and get the drivers from the HP website.

They said it to me in an email.
The one Caveat is that you need to make sure you choose a model that
specifies the XP downgrade option such as this one:http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=1990434&ContractID=0

Thanks. Is the "XP downgrade" exactly the same as virtual XP i.e. "XP
mode", which is always available with 7 Pro? I'm still confused as to
whether using "XP mode" requires XP drivers or 7 ones.

How much slower, typically, is "virtual XP on 7" than "real XP"?

Michael
 
They said it to me in an email.


Thanks. Is the "XP downgrade" exactly the same as virtual XP i.e. "XP
mode", which is always available with 7 Pro? I'm still confused as to
whether using "XP mode" requires XP drivers or 7 ones.

How much slower, typically, is "virtual XP on 7" than "real XP"?

Michael

Hi Michael. The XP downgrade is not XP virtual mode. It is literally
installing and running windows XP instead of windows 7. It absolutely
requires XP drivers. Performance is not an issue because there is
nothing virtual about it. You would just be running XP on the laptop
instead of running Win7.
 
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