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I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in detail what
the web page is for search engines but i've just read that hidden text on
pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is this right?

I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures and so
the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the figures in the
tables.
 
That is right.
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| I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in detail
what
| the web page is for search engines but i've just read that hidden text on
| pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is this right?
|
| I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures and so
| the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the figures in the
| tables.
|
|
 
page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a penalty on some search engines.


| I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in detail what
| the web page is for search engines but i've just read that hidden text on
| pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is this right?
|
| I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures and so
| the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the figures in the
| tables.
|
|
 
What about making the text size (font) very small but not hidden?

"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a penalty on
some search engines.


| I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in detail
what
| the web page is for search engines but i've just read that hidden text on
| pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is this right?
|
| I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures and so
| the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the figures in the
| tables.
|
|
 
Kathleen:

If only the SE's paid attention to them anymore.... 8(

There's just not going to be any substitute for a well and carefully
constructed page in this case, I'm afraid.
 
in your opinion, how "bad" is it to do this? I also put some hidden text
(in a div marked display: none;) strictly to make the google adsense
advertisements more relevant.

but I don't want to "shoot myself in the foot" with it.

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Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

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At one point in time, search engines were penalizing for hidden text or text
the same color as the page background.

It could be they no longer even recognize it.

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===
| in your opinion, how "bad" is it to do this? I also put some hidden text
| (in a div marked display: none;) strictly to make the google adsense
| advertisements more relevant.
|
| but I don't want to "shoot myself in the foot" with it.
|
| --
| Chris Leeds,
| Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
|
| Make More Money with Less Work
| Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
| http://contentseed.com/
| --
| message | > IMHO, you'd be better off using the meta name="description" and meta
| > name="keywords" tags.
| >
| >
| > --
| >
| > ~ Kathleen Anderson
| > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
| > Spider Web Woman Designs
| > http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| >
| >
| >
| > > What about making the text size (font) very small but not hidden?
| > >
| > > "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
| > > | > > page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a
| > > penalty on some search engines.
| > >
| > >
| > > | > >> I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in
| > >> detail what the web page is for search engines but i've just read
| > >> that hidden text on pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is
| > >> this right?
| > >>
| > >> I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures
| > >> and so the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the
| > >> figures in the tables.
| >
|
|
 
I think it's generally a bad approach. If I were an aggressive competitor
struggling with you for a higher ranking, and I looked at your code and saw
that, I'd report you to the SE.
 
that's too bad, the ironic thing is that I'm not doing it to "spoof" the
search engines, but to "guide" adsense!

urrgh. I guess it's back to the drawing board on that aspect. worked real
good too!

--
Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

Make More Money with Less Work
Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
http://contentseed.com/
 
I've found that a well written descriptive paragraph (visible) on the top, or near the top, of the index page works very well.


| that's too bad, the ironic thing is that I'm not doing it to "spoof" the
| search engines, but to "guide" adsense!
|
| urrgh. I guess it's back to the drawing board on that aspect. worked real
| good too!
|
| --
| Chris Leeds,
| Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
|
| Make More Money with Less Work
| Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
| http://contentseed.com/
| --
| | > I think it's generally a bad approach. If I were an aggressive competitor
| > struggling with you for a higher ranking, and I looked at your code and
| saw
| > that, I'd report you to the SE.
| >
| > --
| > Murray
| >
| > | > > in your opinion, how "bad" is it to do this? I also put some hidden
| text
| > > (in a div marked display: none;) strictly to make the google adsense
| > > advertisements more relevant.
| > >
| > > but I don't want to "shoot myself in the foot" with it.
| > >
| > > --
| > > Chris Leeds,
| > > Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
| > >
| > > Make More Money with Less Work
| > > Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
| > > http://contentseed.com/
| > > --
| > > message | > >> IMHO, you'd be better off using the meta name="description" and meta
| > >> name="keywords" tags.
| > >>
| > >>
| > >> --
| > >>
| > >> ~ Kathleen Anderson
| > >> Microsoft FrontPage MVP
| > >> Spider Web Woman Designs
| > >> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| > >> > What about making the text size (font) very small but not hidden?
| > >> >
| > >> > "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
| > >> > | > >> > page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a
| > >> > penalty on some search engines.
| > >> >
| > >> >
| > >> > | > >> >> I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in
| > >> >> detail what the web page is for search engines but i've just read
| > >> >> that hidden text on pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is
| > >> >> this right?
| > >> >>
| > >> >> I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures
| > >> >> and so the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the
| > >> >> figures in the tables.
| > >>
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
but adsense "reads" the text near where it's being delivered, so I was
looking to guide it. I can't justify having a repetitive paragraph on every
page.

--
Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

Make More Money with Less Work
Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
http://contentseed.com/
--
"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message I've found that a well written descriptive paragraph (visible) on the top,
or near the top, of the index page works very well.


| that's too bad, the ironic thing is that I'm not doing it to "spoof" the
| search engines, but to "guide" adsense!
|
| urrgh. I guess it's back to the drawing board on that aspect. worked
real
| good too!
|
| --
| Chris Leeds,
| Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
|
| Make More Money with Less Work
| Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
| http://contentseed.com/
| --
| | > I think it's generally a bad approach. If I were an aggressive
competitor
| > struggling with you for a higher ranking, and I looked at your code and
| saw
| > that, I'd report you to the SE.
| >
| > --
| > Murray
| >
| > | > > in your opinion, how "bad" is it to do this? I also put some hidden
| text
| > > (in a div marked display: none;) strictly to make the google adsense
| > > advertisements more relevant.
| > >
| > > but I don't want to "shoot myself in the foot" with it.
| > >
| > > --
| > > Chris Leeds,
| > > Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
| > >
| > > Make More Money with Less Work
| > > Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
| > > http://contentseed.com/
| > > --
in
| > > message | > >> IMHO, you'd be better off using the meta name="description" and meta
| > >> name="keywords" tags.
| > >>
| > >>
| > >> --
| > >>
| > >> ~ Kathleen Anderson
| > >> Microsoft FrontPage MVP
| > >> Spider Web Woman Designs
| > >> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| > >> > What about making the text size (font) very small but not hidden?
| > >> >
| > >> > "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
| > >> > | > >> > page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a
| > >> > penalty on some search engines.
| > >> >
| > >> >
| > >> > | > >> >> I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in
| > >> >> detail what the web page is for search engines but i've just read
| > >> >> that hidden text on pages is not a good idea for search engines.
Is
| > >> >> this right?
| > >> >>
| > >> >> I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures
| > >> >> and so the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the
| > >> >> figures in the tables.
| > >>
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
"...a well written descriptive paragraph (visible) on the top..." sounds
like the best idea. I was finding that the summary description that came up
in Google (et al) was meaningless unless I had a summary at the top of the
page that was visible.

In a sense this also seems to be the fairest and most sensible way to
approach this. It allows genuine pages to be ranked higher because they have
nothing to hide. Even though it may not make your page pretty it will at
least be immediately obvious if a page is try to abuse this system because
the visible text will obviously have no relation to the page contents and
those pages can be reported to the search engines.

BTW: I've never heard of the concept of reporting pages to search engines
for abuse. How/where does one do that?



"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message I've found that a well written descriptive paragraph (visible) on the top,
or near the top, of the index page works very well.
 
I honestly don't know how it works these days, but in the past you reported
infringements from people who abused your web site, such as copying pages,
content, pictures, etc.

Google has a page that talks about this:
http://www.google.com/dmca.html

--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
Understanding FrontPage:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
FrontPage 2002 Server Extensions Support Center:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;fp10se
===
| "...a well written descriptive paragraph (visible) on the top..." sounds
| like the best idea. I was finding that the summary description that came
up
| in Google (et al) was meaningless unless I had a summary at the top of the
| page that was visible.
|
| In a sense this also seems to be the fairest and most sensible way to
| approach this. It allows genuine pages to be ranked higher because they
have
| nothing to hide. Even though it may not make your page pretty it will at
| least be immediately obvious if a page is try to abuse this system because
| the visible text will obviously have no relation to the page contents and
| those pages can be reported to the search engines.
|
| BTW: I've never heard of the concept of reporting pages to search engines
| for abuse. How/where does one do that?
|
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | I've found that a well written descriptive paragraph (visible) on the top,
| or near the top, of the index page works very well.
|
|
|
 
you're not thinking about turning me in are you? ;-)
I assure you I'm only looking to guide google supplied advertising ON my
site, not FOR my site.

--
Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

Make More Money with Less Work
Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
http://contentseed.com/
 
Yah, we're gonna turn you in to the Page Police (PP for short)


| you're not thinking about turning me in are you? ;-)
| I assure you I'm only looking to guide google supplied advertising ON my
| site, not FOR my site.
|
| --
| Chris Leeds,
| Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
|
| Make More Money with Less Work
| Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
| http://contentseed.com/
| --
| | > "...a well written descriptive paragraph (visible) on the top..." sounds
| > like the best idea. I was finding that the summary description that came
| up
| > in Google (et al) was meaningless unless I had a summary at the top of the
| > page that was visible.
| >
| > In a sense this also seems to be the fairest and most sensible way to
| > approach this. It allows genuine pages to be ranked higher because they
| have
| > nothing to hide. Even though it may not make your page pretty it will at
| > least be immediately obvious if a page is try to abuse this system because
| > the visible text will obviously have no relation to the page contents and
| > those pages can be reported to the search engines.
| >
| > BTW: I've never heard of the concept of reporting pages to search engines
| > for abuse. How/where does one do that?
| >
| >
| >
| > "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
| > wrote in message | > I've found that a well written descriptive paragraph (visible) on the top,
| > or near the top, of the index page works very well.
| >
| >
| >
|
|
 
they'll never take me alive!

--
Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

Make More Money with Less Work
Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
http://contentseed.com/
--
"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <[email protected]>
wrote in message Yah, we're gonna turn you in to the Page Police (PP for short)


| you're not thinking about turning me in are you? ;-)
| I assure you I'm only looking to guide google supplied advertising ON my
| site, not FOR my site.
|
| --
| Chris Leeds,
| Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
|
| Make More Money with Less Work
| Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
| http://contentseed.com/
| --
| | > "...a well written descriptive paragraph (visible) on the top..." sounds
| > like the best idea. I was finding that the summary description that came
| up
| > in Google (et al) was meaningless unless I had a summary at the top of
the
| > page that was visible.
| >
| > In a sense this also seems to be the fairest and most sensible way to
| > approach this. It allows genuine pages to be ranked higher because they
| have
| > nothing to hide. Even though it may not make your page pretty it will at
| > least be immediately obvious if a page is try to abuse this system
because
| > the visible text will obviously have no relation to the page contents
and
| > those pages can be reported to the search engines.
| >
| > BTW: I've never heard of the concept of reporting pages to search
engines
| > for abuse. How/where does one do that?
| >
| >
| >
| > "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
<[email protected]>
| > wrote in message | > I've found that a well written descriptive paragraph (visible) on the
top,
| > or near the top, of the index page works very well.
| >
| >
| >
|
|
 

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