Help with recovery of system with damaged XP O/S

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Mike O.

I'm looking for some advice on repairing a system with a damaged Windows XP
O/S.



The computer (actually it belongs to my parents) is a Dell Optiplex, P3 500.
What happened is that the internal PCI modem (a Best Data 56HP92 /PCTel) was
giving an "excessive line current" message and disconnecting them from the
net. The phone lines seemed OK, and all the phones work properly. I tried
a laptop into the same phone jack, and everything worked fine with that with
no problems (connected at 48+K). Based on some research I decided it was an
erroneous warning. I decided to try to replace the driver with the one
downloaded from the Best Data support site, thinking that it might possibly
take care of the problem.



About three quarters through the driver replacement, with no warning, the
system rebooted. Now I can't get Windows to come back up. I figured I'd
use safe mode and use "system restore", but even though I can hit F8 and get
the menu, any of the options (safe mode, last known good, etc.) lock up
after they start. On the modes that show the drivers loading, it stops
after loading the NDIS.SYS. I'm assuming at that point it's trying to load
the damaged/corrupted modem driver. I've tried physically removing the
modem from the system, it had no effect.



I had showed my parents how to periodically copy critical stuff to floppies,
but I'm sure it's not been consistent, and I'm trying to avoid a full system
rebuild. They have kept up on the antivirus & security updates (mostly),
and don't open unknown attachments, so I'm pretty confident it's not virus
related.



I've been in the computer field for a long time (20+ years), and work pretty
extensively on Windows PC and server management in my job, everything from
DOS/Win3.1 through Server 2003 (I'm not trying to impress anyone, I just
want to show that I'm not totally clueless<G>), so I've got some ideas on
some things I can do, but I figured I'd post this message to see if there's
some direction I'm missing. Besides, on most of the cases I deal with, it's
in a corporate environment; it's often easier to just rebuild the "standard"
configuration and restore the data from the previous night's backup.



Here's some of what I plan:

1) Put the drive as a secondary drive in another WinXP system. Verify that
the disk is not completely corrupted. If it is, I'm pretty much looking at
a rebuild anyway. If' it's readable, copy off what I can so if I end up
making it worse, I can at least recover something.



2) Assuming the drive's not hosed, find the modem driver files in
Windows\system32 and delete them. Windows may still complain if it can't
find them on boot up, but at least it won't try to load the
corrupted/damaged drivers.



3) Use the XP CD to do a system repair (then all the service packs, hot
fixes, etc.)



4) Reinstall windows on top of the existing O/S, but don't format the drive.
It would save their data, but unfortunately, I'd still have to reload all
the apps and reconfigure everything.



Sorry about the length of this posting. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.



Mike O.
 
I'm looking for some advice on repairing a system with a damaged Windows XP
O/S.



The computer (actually it belongs to my parents) is a Dell Optiplex, P3 500.
What happened is that the internal PCI modem (a Best Data 56HP92 /PCTel) was
giving an "excessive line current" message and disconnecting them from the
net. The phone lines seemed OK, and all the phones work properly. I tried
a laptop into the same phone jack, and everything worked fine with that with
no problems (connected at 48+K). Based on some research I decided it was an
erroneous warning. I decided to try to replace the driver with the one
downloaded from the Best Data support site, thinking that it might possibly
take care of the problem.



About three quarters through the driver replacement, with no warning, the
system rebooted. Now I can't get Windows to come back up. I figured I'd
use safe mode and use "system restore", but even though I can hit F8 and get
the menu, any of the options (safe mode, last known good, etc.) lock up
after they start. On the modes that show the drivers loading, it stops
after loading the NDIS.SYS. I'm assuming at that point it's trying to load
the damaged/corrupted modem driver. I've tried physically removing the
modem from the system, it had no effect.



I had showed my parents how to periodically copy critical stuff to floppies,
but I'm sure it's not been consistent, and I'm trying to avoid a full system
rebuild. They have kept up on the antivirus & security updates (mostly),
and don't open unknown attachments, so I'm pretty confident it's not virus
related.



I've been in the computer field for a long time (20+ years), and work pretty
extensively on Windows PC and server management in my job, everything from
DOS/Win3.1 through Server 2003 (I'm not trying to impress anyone, I just
want to show that I'm not totally clueless<G>), so I've got some ideas on
some things I can do, but I figured I'd post this message to see if there's
some direction I'm missing. Besides, on most of the cases I deal with, it's
in a corporate environment; it's often easier to just rebuild the "standard"
configuration and restore the data from the previous night's backup.



Here's some of what I plan:

1) Put the drive as a secondary drive in another WinXP system. Verify that
the disk is not completely corrupted. If it is, I'm pretty much looking at
a rebuild anyway. If' it's readable, copy off what I can so if I end up
making it worse, I can at least recover something.



2) Assuming the drive's not hosed, find the modem driver files in
Windows\system32 and delete them. Windows may still complain if it can't
find them on boot up, but at least it won't try to load the
corrupted/damaged drivers.



3) Use the XP CD to do a system repair (then all the service packs, hot
fixes, etc.)



4) Reinstall windows on top of the existing O/S, but don't format the drive.
It would save their data, but unfortunately, I'd still have to reload all
the apps and reconfigure everything.



Sorry about the length of this posting. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.



Mike O.
Can you get to the safemode COMMAND PROMPT ? (using F8
at startup) If so, try restore from there:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q304449

Dave
 
Thanks for the response, unfortunately I had already tried that, no luck.
No matter which option I select, I get a few seconds of disk activity, then
it just freezes. On the safe mode ones, it looks like most of the core,
critical drivers (NTFS, etc.) load, but hangs after listing NDIS.SYS. One
thing I'm never really checked into; on the list of drivers, does it show
the one it's trying to load, or does it show it after it's done loading that
driver. The PC has a network card, but it's disabled (my parents have dial
up). I thought that maybe the NDIS driver might be trying to communicate
with the modem, although I wouldn't think they would be dependent on each
other that early in the process, since the "dial up network" is handled at
the O/S level.

- Mike O.


[..description of problem snipped...]
 
Mike said:
I'm looking for some advice on repairing a system with a damaged
Windows XP O/S.


3) Use the XP CD to do a system repair (then all the service packs,
hot fixes, etc.)



4) Reinstall windows on top of the existing O/S, but don't format the
drive. It would save their data, but unfortunately, I'd still have to
reload all the apps and reconfigure everything.

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Mike O. said:
I'm looking for some advice on repairing a system with a damaged Windows XP
O/S.



The computer (actually it belongs to my parents) is a Dell Optiplex, P3 500.
What happened is that the internal PCI modem (a Best Data 56HP92 /PCTel) was
giving an "excessive line current" message and disconnecting them from the
net. The phone lines seemed OK, and all the phones work properly. I tried
a laptop into the same phone jack, and everything worked fine with that with
no problems (connected at 48+K). Based on some research I decided it was an
erroneous warning. I decided to try to replace the driver with the one
downloaded from the Best Data support site, thinking that it might possibly
take care of the problem.



About three quarters through the driver replacement, with no warning, the
system rebooted. Now I can't get Windows to come back up. I figured I'd
use safe mode and use "system restore", but even though I can hit F8 and get
the menu, any of the options (safe mode, last known good, etc.) lock up
after they start. On the modes that show the drivers loading, it stops
after loading the NDIS.SYS. I'm assuming at that point it's trying to load
the damaged/corrupted modem driver. I've tried physically removing the
modem from the system, it had no effect.



I had showed my parents how to periodically copy critical stuff to floppies,
but I'm sure it's not been consistent, and I'm trying to avoid a full system
rebuild. They have kept up on the antivirus & security updates (mostly),
and don't open unknown attachments, so I'm pretty confident it's not virus
related.



I've been in the computer field for a long time (20+ years), and work pretty
extensively on Windows PC and server management in my job, everything from
DOS/Win3.1 through Server 2003 (I'm not trying to impress anyone, I just
want to show that I'm not totally clueless<G>), so I've got some ideas on
some things I can do, but I figured I'd post this message to see if there's
some direction I'm missing. Besides, on most of the cases I deal with, it's
in a corporate environment; it's often easier to just rebuild the "standard"
configuration and restore the data from the previous night's backup.



Here's some of what I plan:

1) Put the drive as a secondary drive in another WinXP system. Verify that
the disk is not completely corrupted. If it is, I'm pretty much looking at
a rebuild anyway. If' it's readable, copy off what I can so if I end up
making it worse, I can at least recover something.



2) Assuming the drive's not hosed, find the modem driver files in
Windows\system32 and delete them. Windows may still complain if it can't
find them on boot up, but at least it won't try to load the
corrupted/damaged drivers.



3) Use the XP CD to do a system repair (then all the service packs, hot
fixes, etc.)



4) Reinstall windows on top of the existing O/S, but don't format the drive.
It would save their data, but unfortunately, I'd still have to reload all
the apps and reconfigure everything.



Sorry about the length of this posting. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.


Put an axe through it!.....then treat your parents to a decent system
 
The computer (actually it belongs to my parents) is a Dell Optiplex, P3
500. What happened is that the internal PCI modem (a Best Data
56HP92 /PCTel) [snip] [snip]
Any suggestions would beappreciated.

Hard Bastard said:
Put an axe through it!.....then treat your parents to a decent system

If his parents are anything like my 81 yr old father, that is not an option.
My father had a P1 with Win 95. My brother bought him a complete package for
Christmas. ( great deal - a 2.6 GHz Celeron w/ 17in monitor & printer & Win
XP for only $350 after rebates). But my father would not accept it. He was
pissed off. of course he didn't know how much was paid. But he had warned in
advance not to buy him a computer (it was already bought).

Anyway, I ended up upgrading him to a P2 with Win 98 on it for $50 (I told him
$20 so he wouldn't get pissed). I did it so I could get him networked into my
cable using a Wireless B router (by the way an old P2 can realize full cable
speed using a USB device to go wireless - card won't work). He like the I-net
now & I am happy about it. I know he would have liked the XP machine, but
what are you going to do? he was afraid of a change from win 95 to XP.

The moral of the story is to lie to your parents for their own good...
;-)
....D.
 
I'm looking for some advice on repairing a system with a damaged
Windows XP O/S.



The computer (actually it belongs to my parents) is a Dell
Optiplex, P3 500. What happened is that the internal PCI modem
(a Best Data 56HP92 /PCTel) was giving an "excessive line
current" message and disconnecting them from the net. The phone
lines seemed OK, and all the phones work properly. I tried a
laptop into the same phone jack, and everything worked fine with
that with no problems (connected at 48+K). Based on some
research I decided it was an erroneous warning. I decided to
try to replace the driver with the one downloaded from the Best
Data support site, thinking that it might possibly take care of
the problem.



About three quarters through the driver replacement, with no
warning, the system rebooted. Now I can't get Windows to come
back up. I figured I'd use safe mode and use "system restore",
but even though I can hit F8 and get the menu, any of the
options (safe mode, last known good, etc.) lock up after they
start. On the modes that show the drivers loading, it stops
after loading the NDIS.SYS. I'm assuming at that point it's
trying to load the damaged/corrupted modem driver. I've tried
physically removing the modem from the system, it had no effect.



I had showed my parents how to periodically copy critical stuff
to floppies, but I'm sure it's not been consistent, and I'm
trying to avoid a full system rebuild. They have kept up on the
antivirus & security updates (mostly), and don't open unknown
attachments, so I'm pretty confident it's not virus related.



I've been in the computer field for a long time (20+ years), and
work pretty extensively on Windows PC and server management in
my job, everything from DOS/Win3.1 through Server 2003 (I'm not
trying to impress anyone, I just want to show that I'm not
totally clueless<G>), so I've got some ideas on some things I
can do, but I figured I'd post this message to see if there's
some direction I'm missing. Besides, on most of the cases I
deal with, it's in a corporate environment; it's often easier to
just rebuild the "standard" configuration and restore the data
from the previous night's backup.



Here's some of what I plan:

1) Put the drive as a secondary drive in another WinXP system.
Verify that the disk is not completely corrupted. If it is, I'm
pretty much looking at a rebuild anyway. If' it's readable,
copy off what I can so if I end up making it worse, I can at
least recover something.



2) Assuming the drive's not hosed, find the modem driver files
in Windows\system32 and delete them. Windows may still complain
if it can't find them on boot up, but at least it won't try to
load the corrupted/damaged drivers.



3) Use the XP CD to do a system repair (then all the service
packs, hot fixes, etc.)



4) Reinstall windows on top of the existing O/S, but don't
format the drive. It would save their data, but unfortunately,
I'd still have to reload all the apps and reconfigure
everything.



Sorry about the length of this posting. Any suggestions would
be appreciated.



Mike O.

Hi Mike:

Try this MS KB link:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;244905

"How to Disable a Service or Device that Prevents Windows from
Booting"

Nick Goetz
 
Mike said:
About three quarters through the driver replacement, with no warning, the
system rebooted. Now I can't get Windows to come back up. I figured I'd
use safe mode and use "system restore", but even though I can hit F8 and get
the menu, any of the options (safe mode, last known good, etc.) lock up
after they start. On the modes that show the drivers loading, it stops
after loading the NDIS.SYS. I'm assuming at that point it's trying to load
the damaged/corrupted modem driver. I've tried physically removing the
modem from the system, it had no effect.

Things to try - in order
Boot the CD and take the R recovery option. Assume any password asked
for is blank.

Give
Expand D:\i386\ndis.sy_ C:\windows\system32\drivers\ndis.sys
and reboot

See if from the Menu you can get to
Safe Mode - Command Prompt
and give
C:\Windows\system32\restore\rstrui.exe
to load the regular System Restore GUI and use that to restore to a
previous point

If you can't even get in there you are probably stuck with a repair
reinstall - after booting the CD, enter Setup and continue with R for
Repair Installation.. That will retain software and data, but unwind
all hotfixes - including SP
 
Well, the system is all back up; I didn't lose anything.
I put the hard drive in another XP machine and checked it, there were no
errors. While it was in the second system, I went into the
Windows\system32\drivers folder and removed the various DLL and SYS, etc.
files installed as part of the modem driver. I then checked for other
copies in other locations, and removed the INF files for the modem from the
INF directory. I put the drive back in the original system, and it booted
up into XP without any problems (except of course the modem showed the
yellow question mark). I put the original driver CD in for the modem and
installed it.

Mike O.
 
Mike said:
Well, the system is all back up; I didn't lose anything.
I put the hard drive in another XP machine and checked it, there were no
errors. While it was in the second system, I went into the
Windows\system32\drivers folder and removed the various DLL and SYS, etc.
files installed as part of the modem driver. I then checked for other
copies in other locations, and removed the INF files for the modem from the
INF directory. I put the drive back in the original system, and it booted
up into XP without any problems (except of course the modem showed the
yellow question mark). I put the original driver CD in for the modem and
installed it.

Mike O.

Nice work.
 
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