help me prove friend is idiot....

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ok I have a friend that does MS networking for the military. We are
having a discussion about XP. She said a windows 98 boot disk can start
up AND access the hard drive files of an XP system formatted with NTFS.
I told her it can't and tried it on my computer. It booted up, loaded
up CD drive support but said "C: is invalid".

She said it works because XP is built off of 98. I told her no its
built off of 2000, which is built off of NT...hence the different kernel.

Someone help me with links to proof either way...
 
none said:
ok I have a friend that does MS networking for the military. We are
having a discussion about XP. She said a windows 98 boot disk can start
up AND access the hard drive files of an XP system formatted with NTFS.
I told her it can't and tried it on my computer. It booted up, loaded
up CD drive support but said "C: is invalid".

She said it works because XP is built off of 98. I told her no its
built off of 2000, which is built off of NT...hence the different kernel.

Someone help me with links to proof either way...
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FYI..forgot to add that she said: "XP is 98 with only a hint of NT, and
home edition with a hint of ME"
 
She is correct IF she has an NTFS reader on the DOS boot
floppy.


| ok I have a friend that does MS networking for the
military. We are
| having a discussion about XP. She said a windows 98 boot
disk can start
| up AND access the hard drive files of an XP system
formatted with NTFS.
| I told her it can't and tried it on my computer. It
booted up, loaded
| up CD drive support but said "C: is invalid".
|
| She said it works because XP is built off of 98. I told
her no its
| built off of 2000, which is built off of NT...hence the
different kernel.
|
| Someone help me with links to proof either way...
 
Windows XP: Kernel Improvements Create a More Robust, Powerful, and Scalable OS
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/01/12/XPKernel/default.aspx

Windows XP/Windows 98 Matchup
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/whyupgrade/wxpvswin98.asp

HOW TO: Create a Boot Disk for an NTFS or FAT Partition in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;305595

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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

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| ok I have a friend that does MS networking for the military. We are
| having a discussion about XP. She said a windows 98 boot disk can start
| up AND access the hard drive files of an XP system formatted with NTFS.
| I told her it can't and tried it on my computer. It booted up, loaded
| up CD drive support but said "C: is invalid".
|
| She said it works because XP is built off of 98. I told her no its
| built off of 2000, which is built off of NT...hence the different kernel.
|
| Someone help me with links to proof either way...
 
Without knowing what exactly is on the bootdisk, your friend could be right
or wrong.

An NTFS reader would make you look like an idiot.
An unmodified Windows 98 boot disk would make your friend look like an
idiot.

You need more info to be conclusive.
 
In

No it can't, at least not without special third-party software on
that boot disk, such as NTFSDOS.

invalid".


You are correct.

Nonsense.
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That's correct. Under the hood, Windows 2000 is Windows NT 5.0
and XP is Windows NT 5.1.
FYI..forgot to add that she said: "XP is 98 with only a hint of
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NT,


More nonsense.



And still more nonsense. XP Professional and XP Home are exactly
the same in all respects, except that Professional has a few
features (mostly related to networking and security) missing from
Home.
 
Pemo said:
Definitely not OUR military. Could well be the American military, though
.....

;-)

Pemo
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LOL I appreciate all the replies. To answer some of those I saw ask
this...no she did not mean with an NTFS reader (3rd party) she meant one
that 98 creates. Thanks for the links to MS's website showing the
product history, thats the kind of stuff I needed.
 
Without knowing what exactly is on the bootdisk, your friend could be right
or wrong.
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The phrase used was "a windows 98 boot disk" which strongly implies
*any* standard windows 98 disk. If it were a special windows 98 disk,
it would have been stated so or something like "my windows 98 disk" or
"the windows 98 disk I use". It would certainly appear that by the
way it was stated that she does not know she has a non standard win 98
boot disk. And based on the additional information he gave about her
description of XP: "XP is 98 with only a hint of NT...". I think one
can safely make some conclusions about her knowledge level.
An NTFS reader would make you look like an idiot.
An unmodified Windows 98 boot disk would make your friend look like an
idiot.
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Not really. Not the way it was stated\implied. All it would take is
for him to ask her to come to his house and create such a Win 98 boot
disk from scratch on his system. There is an extremely high
probability that the result would end up in her looking like the
idiot.
You need more info to be conclusive.
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Doubtful. I think ample evidence was given. There is always a
chance, but I think in this case, it is very minimal.
 
@(none) said:
though
LOL I appreciate all the replies. To answer some of those I saw ask
this...no she did not mean with an NTFS reader (3rd party) she meant one
that 98 creates. Thanks for the links to MS's website showing the
product history, thats the kind of stuff I needed.
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Troll. No one could be that ignor... right... might be a blonde... never
mind.
 
I know this is a rather late reply, but maybe we should have asked the
"friend" how did he/she accomplish what is being debated here. I am sure
your friend will have plenty more opportunities prove what an idiot he/she
is. In this case your first reaction should be: "step away from the computer
please!"
Secure all servers and lock all terminals, unplug that users computer from
the network and give it to him/her and say leave quickly and quietly. :-)
 
It says somewhere during the Boot "Built On NT Technology" Which means built on New Technology technology.

Anyway she's a girl. What's it matter what she thinks. Tell her to make your dinner.

XP is NT5.1
2000 is NT5.0
NT4 is NT4

Windows 98 was Windows 4.00.2222 (from memory although that may be second edition)
Windows Millenium was Windows 4.10.something
Windows 95 was Windows 4.00.950 I think.
Windows 3.1 is windows 3.1

NT is an operating system in it's own right. It can also run Windows programs. But it also can run NT programs. NT programs are not windows programs. They are used for low level stuff.
 
Before the MVP (M$ Victim Poster) Hermes responded, David Candy typed:
It says somewhere during the Boot "Built On NT Technology" Which
means built on New Technology technology.
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Only says that on 2000 (atleast I don't see it when I reboot my XP Pro
machine).

Anyway she's a girl. What's it matter what she thinks. Tell her to
make your dinner.

XP is NT5.1
2000 is NT5.0
NT4 is NT4

Windows 98 was Windows 4.00.2222 (from memory although that may be
second edition)
Windows Millenium was Windows 4.10.something
Windows 95 was Windows 4.00.950 I think.
Windows 3.1 is windows 3.1

NT is an operating system in it's own right. It can also run Windows
programs. But it also can run NT programs. NT programs are not
windows programs. They are used for low level stuff.
Click to expand...

I am a woman AND I am blonde. And I have NONE of the problems mentioned in
this thread.

--
hermes
DRM sux! Treacherous Computing kills our virtual civil liberties!
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

Windows XP crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams.

Yesterday it worked.
Today it is not working.
Windows is like that.
 
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