Help files 2002 vs 97

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Bill

I've run access for ten years and only just switched from
97 to 02.

Am I missing something or is help rearranged/dimished?

In 97 I could go to the help index and just type the name
of the function I had in mind and pop right to help with
examples. For instance Ltrim.

Now it seems almost impossible to get the reference I need
(for syntax especially). Also there seems to never be any
syntactical examples.

As a matter of fact I just reinstalled all of office 97 so
I could use it's help instead but now when I click on the
key icon it tells me it's not registered.

So a few questions:

1 is the depth of help if found in 97 no longer available
in 2002?
2 if it is, how do I access it?
3 if it's not how can I access the old help files?
4 can I down load all the resources I need to be a click
away rather than a connection (dial up is cumbersom)?

Bill
 
In A2KS, the code window is separated from the main Access window and know
as IDE (Integrated Development Environment). The Help is actually separated
into 2 main Help files: one for the interface and one for VBA. There are
other Help files linking to the these also. Most, if not all, are .CHM
files.

Unfortuntunately, the cross-indexing between the 2 main Help files is bad.
If you look for a VBA function, you will to look for it in the VBA Help
file, not the (interface) Help file. To open the VBA Help file, you need to
use Help from the IDE, not the main Access window.

You can use the Help button in the ObjectBrowser to navigate to the correct
Help topic for fns / Objects / Properties. See the Microsoft Web site:

http://office.microsoft.com/assista...ID=HA010345781033&CTT=4&Origin=CH063666331033
 
Bill said:
I've run access for ten years and only just switched from
97 to 02.

Am I missing something or is help rearranged/dimished?

In 97 I could go to the help index and just type the name
of the function I had in mind and pop right to help with
examples. For instance Ltrim.
Click to expand...

Yes, the help have been changed a lot. Most of us are not too happy.

The best advice I can give is to rmember that codeing, and visula basic
stuff is now seperate from the user interface side.

So, to find help on ltrim for example..you need to whack ctrl-g and jump
into the coding ide. Now go help...and you can use the index to find ltrim.

Anohter good trick is to whack f2 while in the VB ide. You get a object
browser..and can browse mtehroeds of forms etc. If you hight the list of
properoyes etc that appears on the rigth side and whack help..then you get
help. This trick is quite nice.

So, the help has been split up...most of us don't find it the best..but you
*can* by chaning how you use the help system useally find what you need...
 
Like Van said.

Or just keep a copy of the Access 97 help files on your computer like most of us do...

--

Sco

M.L. "Sco" Scofield, MCSD, MCP, MSS, Access MVP, A+
Useful Metric Conversion #16 of 19: 2 monograms = 1 diagram
Miscellaneous Access and VB "stuff" at www.ScoBiz.com
 
Opps. bumped a key...

Bill said:
I've run access for ten years and only just switched from
97 to 02.

Am I missing something or is help rearranged/dimished?

In 97 I could go to the help index and just type the name
of the function I had in mind and pop right to help with
examples. For instance Ltrim.
Click to expand...

Yes, the help have been changed a lot. Most of us are not too happy.

The best advice I can give is to remember that coding, and visual basic
stuff is now separate from the user interface side.

So, to find help on ltrim for example..you need to whack ctrl-g and jump
into the coding ide. Now go help...and you can use the index to find ltrim.

(or, you can type in ltrim in the debug window..and whack help).

Another good trick is to whack f2 while in the VB ide. You get a object
browser..and can browse methods of forms etc. If you highlight the list of
properties etc that appears on the right side and whack help..then you get
help. This trick is quite nice.

So, the help has been split up...most of us don't find it the best..but you
*can* by changing how you use the help system usually find what you need...
 
Dear "Sco":

What is involved in "keeping a copy of the Access 97 help files.."? Do they
have a particular file extension and what is it? How many files are
involved? If one does do this, how do you access them, by minimizing Access
and opening another file?

Thanks!

Fred Boer
 
Fred,

To be honest, I'm not sure. I actually keep a full copy of Access 97 on all of my machines because I still have several clients
using it. (And because of help.)

Access used the old hlp format help files, so I'd look for those on your Office 97 CD. (You may have to look in the cab files for
them.) I believe the main one was called Acmain80.hlp. The thing is that there are several others that are all chained together.
Like the VBA, DAO, and JET help files. If I remember correctly, you'll have to round up 5 or 6 to get everything.

Once you get them copied, all you have to is double click the main one and it will open up in the help engine.

Good luck.

--

Sco

M.L. "Sco" Scofield, MCSD, MCP, MSS, Access MVP, A+
Useful Metric Conversion #16 of 19: 2 monograms = 1 diagram
Miscellaneous Access and VB "stuff" at www.ScoBiz.com
 
I *think* these may be all of them, but I'm not positive:

Acmain80.hlp (Yes, this is the main one)
Acmain80.cnt
Acmain80.aw
Acdef80.hlp
Acdef80.cnt
Accore80.aw
Accfil80.ode
Acnew80.hlp
Acspc80.cnt
Acspc80.hlp
Actip80.cnt
Actip80.hlp
Acvba80.aw
Acvba80.cnt
Acvba80.hlp

--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
-----Original Message-----
Fred,

To be honest, I'm not sure. I actually keep a full copy
Click to expand...
of Access 97 on all of my machines because I still have
several clients
using it. (And because of help.)

Access used the old hlp format help files, so I'd look
Click to expand...
for those on your Office 97 CD. (You may have to look in
the cab files for
them.) I believe the main one was called Acmain80.hlp.
Click to expand...
The thing is that there are several others that are all
chained together.
Like the VBA, DAO, and JET help files. If I remember
Click to expand...
correctly, you'll have to round up 5 or 6 to get
everything.
Once you get them copied, all you have to is double click
Click to expand...
the main one and it will open up in the help engine.
 
Jeff,

There's also a few that start with "dao" and "jet".

--

Sco

M.L. "Sco" Scofield, MCSD, MCP, MSS, Access MVP, A+
Useful Metric Conversion #16 of 19: 2 monograms = 1 diagram
Miscellaneous Access and VB "stuff" at www.ScoBiz.com
 
Ah yes, correct you are!
These were in a different directory:

Dao35.hlp
Dao35.cnt
Dao35.aw
Odbcjet.hlp
Jeterr35.hlp
Jeterr35.cnt
Jetdef35.hlp
Jetsql35.hlp
Jetsql35.cnt
 
Jeff,

You are good.

So, 5 days left for what?

--

Sco

M.L. "Sco" Scofield, MCSD, MCP, MSS, Access MVP, A+
Useful Metric Conversion #16 of 19: 2 monograms = 1 diagram
Miscellaneous Access and VB "stuff" at www.ScoBiz.com
 
Come back in 5 days.
;-)

BTW, did you recently change your site layout?
I don't remember it looking quite like that, but I could
be wrong.
I should have dropped in to see you when I was in town a
few years ago.
 
Inline...

--

Sco

M.L. "Sco" Scofield, MCSD, MCP, MSS, Access MVP, A+
Useful Metric Conversion #16 of 19: 2 monograms = 1 diagram
Miscellaneous Access and VB "stuff" at www.ScoBiz.com

Jeff Conrad said:
Come back in 5 days.
;-)
Cute...


BTW, did you recently change your site layout?
I don't remember it looking quite like that, but I could
be wrong.
Click to expand...

Over a year ago.

For a comparison, except for the new picture, the bio page is still waiting for it's facelift.
I should have dropped in to see you when I was in town a
few years ago.
Click to expand...

Yes. And if you ever come through again, please do.
 
Thanks!

Fred

Jeff Conrad said:
Ah yes, correct you are!
These were in a different directory:

Dao35.hlp
Dao35.cnt
Dao35.aw
Odbcjet.hlp
Jeterr35.hlp
Jeterr35.cnt
Jetdef35.hlp
Jetsql35.hlp
Jetsql35.cnt
Click to expand...
 
BTW, did you recently change your site layout?
Over a year ago.
Click to expand...

Humm, guess I missed that big time!
For a comparison, except for the new picture, the bio
page is still waiting for it's facelift.
Click to expand...

OK, that looks familiar.
Yes. And if you ever come through again, please do.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the offer, that is most kind.
Probably won't happen anytime soon though.
All of our buffet restaurant locations are now gone.
:-((
 
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