Have I found a way of achieving high speed internet connection or not?

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I am in the UK where the Broadband (ADSL) coverage is still woefully poor.
My neighbour can get Broadband but I can't because I'm the first house in
the old exchange area where there is no broadband (can you believe my luck!)

However, I have learnt that I may be able to connect wirelessly via my
neighbour's connection whose PC is some 40 metres from mine.

Here are my questions:

Do you think it's possible?
Is this legal in the UK, PC World say "yes" but I have little faith in their
knowledge.
Will my neighbour's machine need to be switched on for me to receive?
What security of data implications are there?

You might well ask why BT cant just simply connect me to the ADSL enabled
exchange....don't even go there, BT are being most unhelpful. As I am
paying them for ISDN through the nose why should they even attempt to be
helpful, i.e. twice the cost of ADSL for a connection speed of 128kpbs at
best. They will not connect me to the appropriate exchange as it is "too
complex" for them!


I am very excited by wireless, I hope I can one day soon enjoy high speed
internet connection.

Ian
 
Your friendly neighbor is paying for the broadband
connection, perhaps dearly. But because he doesn't know how
or doesn't care he is operating his IEEE 802.11 WiFi in an
open mode. He could lock it down. I don't know the law in
the UK, but if he left his car, with the keys in the
ignition, would you drive it just because it was available?
Could you ask to borrow his car and pay him?
I would be a good neighbor and ask him if you could help him
out with some money and share the cost of the Internet
connection and the WiFi?

You and he can configure the WiFi so only your systems can
log-on to the WiFi by taking certain security precautions,
such as turn of the ID broadcast, limiting the wireless
network to only the MAC addresses for your computers, etc.


| I am in the UK where the Broadband (ADSL) coverage is
still woefully poor.
| My neighbour can get Broadband but I can't because I'm the
first house in
| the old exchange area where there is no broadband (can you
believe my luck!)
|
| However, I have learnt that I may be able to connect
wirelessly via my
| neighbour's connection whose PC is some 40 metres from
mine.
|
| Here are my questions:
|
| Do you think it's possible?
| Is this legal in the UK, PC World say "yes" but I have
little faith in their
| knowledge.
| Will my neighbour's machine need to be switched on for me
to receive?
| What security of data implications are there?
|
| You might well ask why BT cant just simply connect me to
the ADSL enabled
| exchange....don't even go there, BT are being most
unhelpful. As I am
| paying them for ISDN through the nose why should they even
attempt to be
| helpful, i.e. twice the cost of ADSL for a connection
speed of 128kpbs at
| best. They will not connect me to the appropriate
exchange as it is "too
| complex" for them!
|
|
| I am very excited by wireless, I hope I can one day soon
enjoy high speed
| internet connection.
|
| Ian
|
|
|
|
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08/04/2004
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|
 
I do believe that a year ago it was considered dodgy, but my understanding
now is that "it's my internet connection, I own it, I can do what I like
with it" I will check with them though.
 
My first thought was "40 meters... good luck". It is still possible at 40
meters, but I would certainly invest in a wireless bridge on your end. That
should "halve" the distance.

As long as your neighbor is not sub-leasing you bandwidth for money, it is
probably legal. Here is where we drift off into the legalities of
"voluntary contributions" still amounting to subletting...

There are security concerns, but in a residential area, WEP encryption
should be more than adequate. Just make sure you all get the same make of
wireless equipment. In other words, go ALL 3Com or ALL Linksys, cards,
bridges, routers, everything. Do not mix-n-match manufacturers.

- carl
 
Hi, most broadband ISP's allow for up to four PC's to connect to their
service via networking....
Chris C
 
Hi.
My son just moved in, in my basement. Is connected to my cable , wireless.
There is no interference whatsoever with my computer or Tv.
Seems to be a very simple procedure.
Greets . Phil
 
I have not heard of anyone being prosecuted for this so it may be that no
one is particularly bothered. Is there any chance of connecting through
Ethernet, much faster that wireless?
 
Don't let your excitement for something overwhelm your
sense of right and wrong, if your asking the question,
then something in the back of your mind is stating (this
could be wrong), this inner voice is reminding you your
about to do wrong, Did you pay for the connection ???
NO?? then your stealing a connection from your neighbor,
something he is paying for! either have the patience to
wait for higher speed, or accept what you have, and lobby
for something better, being eager is not a fault,
committing a SIN is!

How bout this, consult with your neighbor and offer to pay
for half the cost of his connection, work out the privacy
issues, he may agree!
 
Here! here! Jim, and I thought I was the only one with the
opinion it was stealing, the world is not such a small
place after all!
 
It should be obvious, good neighbors don't steal. If your
dog kills my chickens, you'll kill your dog when I tell you
and you buy me more chickens.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But legislators see it as an obstacle to be overcome.


message | Here! here! Jim, and I thought I was the only one with the
| opinion it was stealing, the world is not such a small
| place after all!
|
|
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Your friendly neighbor is paying for the broadband
| >connection, perhaps dearly. But because he doesn't know
| how
| >or doesn't care he is operating his IEEE 802.11 WiFi in
an
| >open mode. He could lock it down. I don't know the law
| in
| >the UK, but if he left his car, with the keys in the
| >ignition, would you drive it just because it was
| available?
| >Could you ask to borrow his car and pay him?
| >I would be a good neighbor and ask him if you could help
| him
| >out with some money and share the cost of the Internet
| >connection and the WiFi?
| >
| >You and he can configure the WiFi so only your systems
can
| >log-on to the WiFi by taking certain security
precautions,
| >such as turn of the ID broadcast, limiting the wireless
| >network to only the MAC addresses for your computers,
etc.
| >
| >
| >| >| I am in the UK where the Broadband (ADSL) coverage is
| >still woefully poor.
| >| My neighbour can get Broadband but I can't because I'm
| the
| >first house in
| >| the old exchange area where there is no broadband (can
| you
| >believe my luck!)
| >|
| >| However, I have learnt that I may be able to connect
| >wirelessly via my
| >| neighbour's connection whose PC is some 40 metres from
| >mine.
| >|
| >| Here are my questions:
| >|
| >| Do you think it's possible?
| >| Is this legal in the UK, PC World say "yes" but I have
| >little faith in their
| >| knowledge.
| >| Will my neighbour's machine need to be switched on for
| me
| >to receive?
| >| What security of data implications are there?
| >|
| >| You might well ask why BT cant just simply connect me
to
| >the ADSL enabled
| >| exchange....don't even go there, BT are being most
| >unhelpful. As I am
| >| paying them for ISDN through the nose why should they
| even
| >attempt to be
| >| helpful, i.e. twice the cost of ADSL for a connection
| >speed of 128kpbs at
| >| best. They will not connect me to the appropriate
| >exchange as it is "too
| >| complex" for them!
| >|
| >|
| >| I am very excited by wireless, I hope I can one day
soon
| >enjoy high speed
| >| internet connection.
| >|
| >| Ian
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| ---
| >| Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
| >| Checked by AVG anti-virus system
| (http://www.grisoft.com).
| >| Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date:
| >08/04/2004
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >.
| >
 
Rhetorical question, I know that unauthorized use of any
Internet connection is a crime. I know that interception of
radio signals is regulated and I know that joy riding in a
car is illegal. I also know that the UK (England) was a
free country before WWI but has become a nation where the
police are expected to do a search of your home when they
want to.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But legislators see it as an obstacle to be overcome.


| Jim
|
| Your own quote 'I don't know the law in the UK' - need I
say more.
|
| --
|
| Will Denny
|
| MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
in message
| | > Your friendly neighbor is paying for the broadband
| > connection, perhaps dearly. But because he doesn't know
how
| > or doesn't care he is operating his IEEE 802.11 WiFi in
an
| > open mode. He could lock it down. I don't know the law
in
| > the UK, but if he left his car, with the keys in the
| > ignition, would you drive it just because it was
available?
| > Could you ask to borrow his car and pay him?
| > I would be a good neighbor and ask him if you could help
him
| > out with some money and share the cost of the Internet
| > connection and the WiFi?
| >
| > You and he can configure the WiFi so only your systems
can
| > log-on to the WiFi by taking certain security
precautions,
| > such as turn of the ID broadcast, limiting the wireless
| > network to only the MAC addresses for your computers,
etc.
| >
| >
| > | > | I am in the UK where the Broadband (ADSL) coverage is
| > still woefully poor.
| > | My neighbour can get Broadband but I can't because I'm
the
| > first house in
| > | the old exchange area where there is no broadband (can
you
| > believe my luck!)
| > |
| > | However, I have learnt that I may be able to connect
| > wirelessly via my
| > | neighbour's connection whose PC is some 40 metres from
| > mine.
| > |
| > | Here are my questions:
| > |
| > | Do you think it's possible?
| > | Is this legal in the UK, PC World say "yes" but I have
| > little faith in their
| > | knowledge.
| > | Will my neighbour's machine need to be switched on for
me
| > to receive?
| > | What security of data implications are there?
| > |
| > | You might well ask why BT cant just simply connect me
to
| > the ADSL enabled
| > | exchange....don't even go there, BT are being most
| > unhelpful. As I am
| > | paying them for ISDN through the nose why should they
even
| > attempt to be
| > | helpful, i.e. twice the cost of ADSL for a connection
| > speed of 128kpbs at
| > | best. They will not connect me to the appropriate
| > exchange as it is "too
| > | complex" for them!
| > |
| > |
| > | I am very excited by wireless, I hope I can one day
soon
| > enjoy high speed
| > | internet connection.
| > |
| > | Ian
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | ---
| > | Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
| > | Checked by AVG anti-virus system
(http://www.grisoft.com).
| > | Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date:
| > 08/04/2004
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
| ---
| Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
| Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
| Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date:
09/04/2004
|
|
 
I agree with the good neighbor policy.
I would need proof it's my dog however, before I kill it.
and if it was, it would certainly go down, and yep I would
buy you new chickens, can't abide a chicken killing dog.
They do it cause it's fun, and won't stop on their own.
 
Too many people get caught up in the technical letter of
the law, and find loop holes to justify their behavior.
If I hadn't spoken with my neighbor, and decided to link
into his connection, even if the law said it was ok, I
would consider myself stealing. it just isn't right!

If you get FAT from eating at fast food resturants don't
be stupid enough to blame the eatry, look in the mirror
for finger pointing, and take responsibility.

Enough said from me, on this subject. I think I'm soap
boxing again!
 
I had a friend many years ago who raised cattle back in
Illinois. city folks came to the country and let their pets
run wild. He lost a 250 pound calf one night and knew it
was the dog from just down the street. He drove down to
talk to the neighbor. The guy said his dog was locked up
all night long and didn't do it. The dog was on the porch,
with blood all over its coat.


message | I agree with the good neighbor policy.
| I would need proof it's my dog however, before I kill it.
| and if it was, it would certainly go down, and yep I would
| buy you new chickens, can't abide a chicken killing dog.
| They do it cause it's fun, and won't stop on their own.
|
|
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >It should be obvious, good neighbors don't steal. If
your
| >dog kills my chickens, you'll kill your dog when I tell
| you
| >and you buy me more chickens.
| >
| >
| >--
| >The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| >But legislators see it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| >
| >
| >message | >| Here! here! Jim, and I thought I was the only one with
| the
| >| opinion it was stealing, the world is not such a small
| >| place after all!
| >|
| >|
| >|
| >| >-----Original Message-----
| >| >Your friendly neighbor is paying for the broadband
| >| >connection, perhaps dearly. But because he doesn't
| know
| >| how
| >| >or doesn't care he is operating his IEEE 802.11 WiFi
in
| >an
| >| >open mode. He could lock it down. I don't know the
| law
| >| in
| >| >the UK, but if he left his car, with the keys in the
| >| >ignition, would you drive it just because it was
| >| available?
| >| >Could you ask to borrow his car and pay him?
| >| >I would be a good neighbor and ask him if you could
| help
| >| him
| >| >out with some money and share the cost of the Internet
| >| >connection and the WiFi?
| >| >
| >| >You and he can configure the WiFi so only your systems
| >can
| >| >log-on to the WiFi by taking certain security
| >precautions,
| >| >such as turn of the ID broadcast, limiting the
wireless
| >| >network to only the MAC addresses for your computers,
| >etc.
| >| >
| >| >
| message
| >| >| >| >| I am in the UK where the Broadband (ADSL) coverage
is
| >| >still woefully poor.
| >| >| My neighbour can get Broadband but I can't because
| I'm
| >| the
| >| >first house in
| >| >| the old exchange area where there is no broadband
| (can
| >| you
| >| >believe my luck!)
| >| >|
| >| >| However, I have learnt that I may be able to connect
| >| >wirelessly via my
| >| >| neighbour's connection whose PC is some 40 metres
| from
| >| >mine.
| >| >|
| >| >| Here are my questions:
| >| >|
| >| >| Do you think it's possible?
| >| >| Is this legal in the UK, PC World say "yes" but I
| have
| >| >little faith in their
| >| >| knowledge.
| >| >| Will my neighbour's machine need to be switched on
| for
| >| me
| >| >to receive?
| >| >| What security of data implications are there?
| >| >|
| >| >| You might well ask why BT cant just simply connect
me
| >to
| >| >the ADSL enabled
| >| >| exchange....don't even go there, BT are being most
| >| >unhelpful. As I am
| >| >| paying them for ISDN through the nose why should
they
| >| even
| >| >attempt to be
| >| >| helpful, i.e. twice the cost of ADSL for a
connection
| >| >speed of 128kpbs at
| >| >| best. They will not connect me to the appropriate
| >| >exchange as it is "too
| >| >| complex" for them!
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| I am very excited by wireless, I hope I can one day
| >soon
| >| >enjoy high speed
| >| >| internet connection.
| >| >|
| >| >| Ian
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| ---
| >| >| Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
| >| >| Checked by AVG anti-virus system
| >| (http://www.grisoft.com).
| >| >| Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release
| Date:
| >| >08/04/2004
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >.
| >| >
| >
| >
| >.
| >
 

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