GooOS - Google O.S. ?

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I was thrilled reading this today because I had been thinking along the
same lines as I wondered about Gmail (and the 1GB of storage in
particular)...and that Skrenta had made the argument so well. This
weekend, as I hacked through a bunch of XHTML and CSS for an upcoming
site redesign, I jotted down a few notes for a follow-up on a post I
made over a year ago called Google is not a search company. I was going
to call it "GooOS, the Google Operating System".
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I was going
to call it "GooOS, the Google Operating System".

Actually, the idea of Google creating some kind of monopoly for itself
frightens me as much as Microsoft. I almost pee'd in my jocks with
laughter when I heard that one of the founding members of Google was to
become the Director of Ethics, or somesuch nonsense. It's nice to know
that in Amercia even spaz kids can become rich and occupy the highest
echelons of corporations.

As regards Google having a bunch of PhDs working for them ... well ...
Microsoft also has a research centre, which is no doubt chock full of
PhDs.

"Do No Evil". Honestly, when you think about it soberly, WTF?

Sorry if I sound sceptical on the whole matter.
 
Mark said:
Actually, the idea of Google creating some kind of monopoly for itself
frightens me as much as Microsoft. I almost pee'd in my jocks with
laughter when I heard that one of the founding members of Google was to
become the Director of Ethics, or somesuch nonsense. It's nice to know
that in Amercia even spaz kids can become rich and occupy the highest
echelons of corporations.

As regards Google having a bunch of PhDs working for them ... well ...
Microsoft also has a research centre, which is no doubt chock full of
PhDs.

"Do No Evil". Honestly, when you think about it soberly, WTF?

Sorry if I sound sceptical on the whole matter.


that was my first thought, too when i read the article: WTF
 
Mark Carter wrote:
that was my first thought, too when i read the article: WTF

It wasn't my intention to have a pop at the OP, you understand, just the
way that some fawning and uncritical journos lap up the vomit that some
companies spew out. Honestly, it seems that everyone's forgotten the
lessons of the dot-com bubble, where over-hyped expectations didn't pan
out, and naive investors lost fortunes.

Some crap that I found particularly offensive is on:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/YearInReview/story?id=353199&page=1
"The newly minted billionaires gave the search engine a unique motto,
"Don't Be Evil," and then followed that advice by letting the public get
in on the action. The company insisted on forgoing the traditional
practice of selling shares to giant investment banks for the initial
offering, instead using an innovative auction where the general public
could bid for shares online."

So right, they're alleging Google is being generous for letting the
little guys in on the action. ... come on, do me a favour. This is
capitalism we're talking about. They're not a charity, giving away a
piece of the action to all and sundry. They're selling something; in
this case a stake in the company. And needless to say, their plan is to
sell it for more than they really think it's worth. After all, why else
would they do it?
 
in message
'today' being 8 months ago... Not exactly 'news', not exactly 'freeware'...

The article got quite some attention in April across various sites, why
bother with it again now?

XemonerdX

:-) I. for one, tend to miss things the first few times around,
so, thank you OP, I hadn't run into that.

Aloha --
"Mad" (not angry, just strange)
 
Mark Carter said:
So right, they're alleging Google is being generous for letting the
little guys in on the action. ... come on, do me a favour. This is
capitalism we're talking about. They're not a charity, giving away a
piece of the action to all and sundry. They're selling something; in
this case a stake in the company. And needless to say, their plan is to
sell it for more than they really think it's worth. After all, why else
would they do it?

They're already doing that:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1248082.htm

XemonerdX
 
Actually, the idea of Google creating some kind of monopoly for itself
frightens me as much as Microsoft.

Google? Monopoly? Is it the only site in the world?
Even AOL cannot monopolize Internet, and AOL is by far more powerful then
Google.
 
Maxim said:
Google? Monopoly? Is it the only site in the world?

Agreed. I'm not saying that they do have a monopoly; but what I am
saying is that if they do find themselves in a monopolistic position,
phrases like "Don't do evil" wont assuage my fears.

A site doesn't have to be the only site in the world to gain a
monopolistic position in some niche area. After all, Microsoft Windows
isn't the only operating system in existence, but that still doesn't
stop them from being considered as having a monopoly.

.... although there are the signs Linux may break their stranglehold. We
shall see.
 
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Floating the company does, in itself, constitute at least a partial
sale. Now they're realising some of their gains personally.

Interestingly, it sometimes happens that insiders sell blocks of shares
in order for the price to rise. This may seem rather contradictory,
right? After all, wouldn't that contradicit the law of supply and
demand? The answer is: not necessarily, because in order for the price
to rise, there has to be blocks of shares for the public to buy.

I'm not saying that that's what we're seeing here. But suffice it to say
that the insiders are not stupid, and are unlikely to be making a
mistake. Even "Do no evil" spaz-boy wont miss out on those kinda tricks.

One practise I've heard about is directors selling blocks of shares,
with options created to buy them back at the price they sold them for.
This is perfect for the directors, because they really can't loose out
of it. If the share price drops, then they would have cashed out at a
higher price. If the share price rises, then they get to participate in
the rises. Perfect. For them. The article doesn't mention if the
directors of Google are entering into the transaction under a similar
arrangement.

It's also fun to hear about the logic the directors and their financial
backers present to the public as to the reason for their actions. Here
in Britain, some while ago now, an internet company called Lastminute
had a rights issue to buy up more internet companies. The directors
explained that they "just" preferred to do it that way than to buy the
other companies for cash. I liked the way they brushed the issue aside
as it being a mere preference. Shall I wear my brown shoes today, or my
black ones? I know, I'll just wear my black ones.

However, I suspect that there was a lot more to it than "just"
preferring a rights issue. Here's my guess, let's run it up the flag
pole and see what salutes it: the company probably didn't want to weaken
its cash position, people were clamouring for their shares, which were
absurdly overvalued anyway. So, hmm, let's see, I can either buy a
company with cold hard cash, which I'd rather preserve anyway, or, I
could buy out another company with pieces of paper that aren't worth
nearly as what any sane business man would pay for them. So, in the
words of British comedian Harry Hill: "will you the lamb, or will you
the pork?".

Truth to tell, their target companies were probably vastly overpriced
anyway. But in the late stages of a bubble market, normal business
common sense normally goes out the window. After all, what's the problem
in buying a vastly overpriced company when the value of what you're
offering is also vastly overpriced.

I'm not making this stuff up, you know. This shit really happens.
 
So right, they're alleging Google is being generous for letting the
little guys in on the action. ... come on, do me a favour. This is
capitalism we're talking about. They're not a charity, giving away a
piece of the action to all and sundry. They're selling something; in
this case a stake in the company. And needless to say, their plan is to
sell it for more than they really think it's worth. After all, why else
would they do it?

Nothing has ever been sold for more than it's worth.
A thing is worth exactly what was paid for it.
 
Octavian said:
Nothing has ever been sold for more than it's worth.
A thing is worth exactly what was paid for it.

Sounds like you should be in the stockbroking business!

In 17th century Holland, there was a craze for tulip bulbs. According to
http://www.few.eur.nl/few/people/smant/m-economics/tulipmania.htm
"Another bulb was sold in February 1637 for 6700 guilders. On these
price levels one single tulip bulb could cost as much as a house on
Amsterdam’s smartest canal, including coach and garden."

In the cold light of day, no rational person would think that a tulip
bulb was actually "worth" a house. Only a collective madness can lead to
that kind of thinking.

.... 'though of course, we could argue about this all day.
 
Mike said:
@bignews3.bellsouth.net:



You're at least correct about your opinion, anyway.

Yes, this is all very well and fine, but at the end of the day it's the
Google insiders who'll make fortunes from the mug punters you reason
that a thing is worth exactly what was paid for it.

They'll also reason that because it's gone up a lot already, that means
that it'll go up more in future. And if it goes down, then they'll
reason that it "must" be cheap.

At the end of the day, though, whatever goes through their head, they'll
probably loose money. So whatever was in their head was wrong.

In fact, they will reason that the thing is worth more than they paid
for it, otherwise why would they buy it?
 
Mark said:
Yes, this is all very well and fine, but at the end of the day it's the
Google insiders who'll make fortunes from the mug punters you reason
that a thing is worth exactly what was paid for it.

They'll also reason that because it's gone up a lot already, that means
that it'll go up more in future. And if it goes down, then they'll
reason that it "must" be cheap.

At the end of the day, though, whatever goes through their head, they'll
probably loose money. So whatever was in their head was wrong.

In fact, they will reason that the thing is worth more than they paid
for it, otherwise why would they buy it?

I reason the smarter one came to agreement with the dumber one ;~o

The thing is, the stuff may very well trade to 225, I dunno. What I do
know is there is a long list of once_200_stk selling now for spare
change.
 
Octavian wrote:

Nothing has ever been sold for more than it's worth.
A thing is worth exactly what was paid for it.

Err... more or less. Price of something can be very subjective, or not.

Someone could only sell something of 'emotional' value for a high amount (or
even not selling at all!)... Others can have especial situations in which
they would pay higher for something than market value would advise (e.g. a
real estate in an area which could be *exactly* where you particularly need
in such area).

However, when dealing with pricing, usually there are 2 main rationales
which are applied: (a) when dealing with goods, usually cost + profit
margin is applied; (b) Regarding companies' acquisitions, though, other
kinds of metrics are preferred, most of them, in fact, based on discounted
cash flow (present value of future *expected* earnings during a give
period; the 'expected' side can be quite troublesome; period could be, for
example, 10 years, or even a lifetime, who knows).
 
Maxim S. Shatskih wrote:

Google? Monopoly? Is it the only site in the world?
Even AOL cannot monopolize Internet, and AOL is by far more powerful then
Google.

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Is it? Well, at least in the country where i am, their exposure was very
low. Their market share is very low compared to other local providers,
though they tried to improved (lots of cash in not-so-successfull marketing
campaings).

Google, though, which was kind of obscure, is getting almost all attentions.
I remember back some years, when we used altavista, yahoo. Does anyone
still use those as search engines? Fewer and fewer people, i believe...

A widely used search engine could be very powerful, depending on how it is
managed: imagine you are seaching for something, for example a company
which sells something you need. The first hits would probably be in a
better position, don't you think? (Actually, i don't even know if this even
has some kind of regulation; I believe at the moment they don't have,
though if a given search company gets too big, with a market share
considered 'too large', i.e., sort of a monopoly/oligopoly, the words
*monopoly*, *competition* and *legislation* could start ringing some
bells!)

Regards,

Paulo
 
Nothing has ever been sold for more than it's worth.
A thing is worth exactly what was paid for it.



The market determines the price of a good but not necessarily its value.

With knowledge, the market price is an accurate reflection of value.

Without that knowledge, the market price can be out of line with value
(what I think you are calling "worth").
 
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