Patty O'Dors said:MySQL is poor as it's GNU-based. This means you have to compile it yourself
from files that can only be downloaded from bizarre linux ftp servers. As
such, for most people it's not *actually* an option.
Luminal said:the application is commercial. on this scenation does mysql still free?
Luminal said:« How high performance does the database need to be?»
just a few records: less than 700. I think this is much for JET (.mdb
file) isnt it? Specially the text fields...
Luminal said:I need to develop an aplication that needs a database. The application
is small and the use of SQL Server is not a choice. Can anyone give me
hists about *free* database engines with ado.net support?
What are you talking about? Who said anything about Linux?
First of all, there are precompiled binaries available for MANY different OS's,
including various flavors of Linux.
Might want to look at:
http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/4.0.html
before you make a statement like that. Of the probably over 50 different packages available for download there, only 3 are source.
Second, as this is a primarily windows-using newsgroup (Mono isn't quite that big yet), it is a safe assumption that, unless stated
otherwise, we are discussing Windows.
And, even if there WEREN'T any compiled binaries available... this is a DEVELOPMENT newsgroup... if you can't compile source code
you probably have some other problems to see to first.
I've used MySQL on Windows since its 3.x days, it works just fine. So what if it is GNU and supports linux? It supports WindowsPatty O'Dors said:MySQL is widely known to be a GNU/linux-based project. Don't anybody be
fooled. I know.
Uh... that is the way software works on Linux. It needs to be compiled individually for the different ones. There simply isn'tIf it's produced for many different operating systems, it's a bit like
saying it's "Jack of all trades, master of none".
The advert "works on many different operating systems" is a synonym for it
being largely linux-based - what with all these 'solaris' and 'OS/2' and 'arm
elf' builds, etc...eeeurgghh!!!
Yes, people who have problems compiling it post about it because they want their own optimizations. Again, so what. That isYou do realise that the main pleasure people get out of these programs is
simply being able to get them to compile on their particular version of linux
on the particular processor they've got, and discussing the trials and
tribulations of their silly little compilation capers on various stupid
weblogs that clutter up google ?
You're missing the point - you do not have to compile it yourself. So who cares about different compilation settings. If one isOf course, many of the different versions of linux can each be worked on
many the weird hybrid processor varieties, further adding to the delight they
take in confusing windows users with the umpteen different combinations of
compilation settings that ensues.
"These people" LOL you act as if they are a bunch of criminals or something. What do you mean it is a bottomless pit that leadssource.
I don't want to get into surfing these people's web pages. It's a bottomless
pit, that leads nowhere. If MySQL is that good, why are there FIFTY different
packages? I'll tell you why - they don't all work. You have to hunt for the
one that does. But then again, that's obviously what GNU fans think the fun
of computing revolves around.
Well, maybe you shouldn't raise the topic of linux and GNU-based programs
like MySQL then. (Not saying YOU personally did... but someone did)
The MySQL source package comes with Visual Studio projects setup. You load it and click build. No GCC involved. If you cannot doI am perfectly capable of writing AND compiling source code, and complex
source code at that - but that doesn't mean I should be any good at building
GCC or MySQL or any other stupid GNU-based program. I don't have to be - if i
don't ENJOY downloading it and compiling it, I can't see where it's going to
actually GET me in anything less than a matter of years, that a windows
program won't in a few minutes...
If you truly knew anything about MySQL you would understand how pointless that last paragraph was. MySQL is distributed under theAfter all, if a program's had salaried programmers working on it, who've
still got a wife and kids to feed if they get the sack for the program not
being good enough or not working, they're going to make damn sure it works
and that the version that works is the only one that gets released. These
open source - yes, ok anybody may be able to improve on it. But at the end of
the day, the ones that are going to be able to improve on it best have
probably got other, more lucrative things to do.
They don't have anybody to answer to if it doesn't work, as no-one's paid
them any money. Stands to reason that it's not going to work!
too. So what? What is it we are supposed to not be "fooled" about? And what is it that "you know" that apparently is so bad?
Uh... that is the way software works on Linux. It needs to be compiled individually for the different ones. There simply isn't
"one" kind of linux executable.
And again, so what if there are tons of different linux builds. We don't need >them... just go to
the one that says "Windows", it really isn't that hard.
Yes, people who have problems compiling it post about it because they want their own optimizations. Again, so what. That is
exactly what we are doing here, only with C# instead of MySQL.
You're missing the point - you do not have to compile it yourself. So who cares about different compilation settings. If one is
intelligent and cares to learn them, then they are there. If not, you take the precompiled binary labelled "Windows" and go with
it.
"These people" LOL you act as if they are a bunch of criminals or something. What do you mean it is a bottomless pit that leads
nowhere? It most definately leads somewhere!
There are 50 different packages because they have taken the time to COMPILE it for many different platforms - so people do not have
to do it themselves!!! This is exactly what you wanted!
Point one out that does not work.
Yes, someone did. You. MySQL is not "linux based".
is just as much Windows, or Solaris, Mac, or FreeBSD based as it is Linux. Or "any-of-the-other-platforms-they-list"-based.
The MySQL source package comes with Visual Studio projects setup. You load it and click build. No GCC involved. If you cannot do
that, you probably should using C#.
Or like I said earlier, YOU JUST DOWNLOAD THE WINDOWS INSTALLER FOR IT!!! NO COMPILING REQUIRED!!
If you truly knew anything about MySQL you would understand how pointless that last paragraph was. MySQL is distributed under the
GNU ONLY for applications which are also open sourced and free. If it is a commercial application, you have to pay for it!
That is quite possibly the most ignorant statement I have ever heard in my life.Patty O'Dors said:If it works at all on linux, it isn't optimized for windows.
And it isn't a problem FOR Windows either!Er... well that isn't windows's problem!
You've yet to give any reason why MySQL won't get "get them there". All you've done is say it won't. I would love to actually seeYes, but a lot of the people here, myself included, are working on business
applicaitons that are actually going to get them somewhere, or allow a
company to produce some information or that it didn't have before. The MySQL
"researchers" are basically just trying to reinvent the wheel in order to
pursue their vain attempt to prove that anything that windows can do, linux
can also do... I just don't see the point in doing that. Linux is fine for
some things, web servers for instance - Google runs on linux! Just not
hardcore databases and programming languages!
And where do you see this? This once again proves you do not know what you are talking about - it is exactly the opposite. If youThey always make it clear though, that the precompiled binary is distinctly
worse, or an "old version".
Again, how so? You make all these claims, but you have nothing to back them up!Er... no. It was a metaphor, for saying that it never actually *gets* you
anywhere useful. If you want to be be pedantic, I'll be exact - where it
actually gets you going is just round and round in circles.
There is - that is why the have the commercial license. It is only free for use with other software that is free. If you are usingNO it's not! I just want to see the back of these silly little "free"
schemes which aren't free at all. There's nothing wrong with the open source
movement - just can't there be some money in it?
Again, then purchase the product like you do other closed-source products and you get the right to not have to distribute theAnd can't they be a little
less moralistic - they're always banging on about how proprietary software is
immoral, and that 'freeware' isn't actually free as you don't get the source
code to it, well - their software is the LEAST free - who wants a program
that whenever you use it, you have to distribute THEIR sourcecode with your
program?
What in the hell are you talking about...It's like working for a company that every evening, gets to open up your
guts and rummage around to make sure you haven't eaten any company property.
And I quote:GCC.
Actaully, it is C/C++ w/ just a tad of assembly in there. I've compiled it.Well, you can deny it till you're blue in the face sunshine, but it won't
make it true. Likewise.
.... which is written for linux. It's probably not all written in C++, I
suspect there's a lot of delphi in there aswell.
Being cross-platform capable does not automatically mean it is poor...then that brings me back to my earlier point that it's jack of all trades,
master of none...
Then don't - go get the binaries. And you were complaining about MySQL going in circles! Your argument is doing it!But why would you, when MSDE is just as easy to install?
How do you assume MySQL is written by "amateurs"? There is no logic to that...And 1000 times
better, becuase it's not written by amateurs?
Then buy it, like you would have him do SQL server. Then you don't have to do that."Open sourced and free" is a contradiction in terms! How?
If it's open source, it
means you have to distribute their source code with it whenever you use
whatever component it is in your program, which means you have to live by
THEIR rules, which DOESN'T sound like freedom.