F5 not F9 should send/receive new mail

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In prior versions of Outlook, F5 would "refresh" the inbox by checking for
new mail. It's driving me crazy that in Outlook 2003, it's F9 instead. Why
the change?

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because F5 is refresh in all other windows applications and they wanted
outlook to conform to windows standards.
 
My point is that F5 does NOT work in Outlook 2003 and I wish that it did,
exactly because of what you said. Instead of having F5 for refresh, it's F9.


Diane Poremsky said:
because F5 is refresh in all other windows applications and they wanted
outlook to conform to windows standards.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






HappyRinger said:
In prior versions of Outlook, F5 would "refresh" the inbox by checking for
new mail. It's driving me crazy that in Outlook 2003, it's F9 instead.
Why
the change?

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Refresh is not the same as Send and Receive.

F9 is send and receive. F5 refreshes the view - the effect is not noticeable
unless you use a view that hides read messages.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






HappyRinger said:
My point is that F5 does NOT work in Outlook 2003 and I wish that it did,
exactly because of what you said. Instead of having F5 for refresh, it's
F9.


Diane Poremsky said:
because F5 is refresh in all other windows applications and they wanted
outlook to conform to windows standards.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






HappyRinger said:
In prior versions of Outlook, F5 would "refresh" the inbox by checking
for
new mail. It's driving me crazy that in Outlook 2003, it's F9 instead.
Why
the change?

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suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
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In Outlook 97 F5 does send/receive new mail as it refreshes the screen.

Diane Poremsky said:
Refresh is not the same as Send and Receive.

F9 is send and receive. F5 refreshes the view - the effect is not noticeable
unless you use a view that hides read messages.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






HappyRinger said:
My point is that F5 does NOT work in Outlook 2003 and I wish that it did,
exactly because of what you said. Instead of having F5 for refresh, it's
F9.


Diane Poremsky said:
because F5 is refresh in all other windows applications and they wanted
outlook to conform to windows standards.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






In prior versions of Outlook, F5 would "refresh" the inbox by checking
for
new mail. It's driving me crazy that in Outlook 2003, it's F9 instead.
Why
the change?

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suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
"I
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It's still not the same as a Send/Receive - it just updates the view.
Outlook 97 also refreshes the view automatically when you use an unread view
and mark a message read. (In Outlook 2003, press F5 to hide read messages in
a hide read message view.)

The bottom line is F5 is refresh in all windows programs and beginning in
Outlook 2003, they corrected it so that it is for refreshing the screen too
(otherwise, you'd need to switch folder to refresh a view) - so use F5 to
hide read messages or refresh other views and F9 to check for new mail. If
you can't get used to it, uninstall Outlook 2003 and go back to Outlook 97.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






HappyRinger said:
In Outlook 97 F5 does send/receive new mail as it refreshes the screen.

Diane Poremsky said:
Refresh is not the same as Send and Receive.

F9 is send and receive. F5 refreshes the view - the effect is not
noticeable
unless you use a view that hides read messages.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






HappyRinger said:
My point is that F5 does NOT work in Outlook 2003 and I wish that it
did,
exactly because of what you said. Instead of having F5 for refresh,
it's
F9.


:

because F5 is refresh in all other windows applications and they
wanted
outlook to conform to windows standards.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






In prior versions of Outlook, F5 would "refresh" the inbox by
checking
for
new mail. It's driving me crazy that in Outlook 2003, it's F9
instead.
Why
the change?

----------------
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the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
the
"I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
follow
this
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and
then
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Do you personally like the change? I am curious as to what you like better
about it.

What is the benefit to having to hit F5 instead of automatically hiding the
read messages?

It makes perfect sense to me that when refreshing an inbox, it would
retrieve new messages. Are there any disadvantages for it to look for new
messages when the screen is refreshed?

Are you a Microsoft representative and are you speaking for Microsoft when
you say "If you can't get used to it, uninstall Outlook 2003 and go back to
Outlook 97."

Diane Poremsky said:
It's still not the same as a Send/Receive - it just updates the view.
Outlook 97 also refreshes the view automatically when you use an unread view
and mark a message read. (In Outlook 2003, press F5 to hide read messages in
a hide read message view.)

The bottom line is F5 is refresh in all windows programs and beginning in
Outlook 2003, they corrected it so that it is for refreshing the screen too
(otherwise, you'd need to switch folder to refresh a view) - so use F5 to
hide read messages or refresh other views and F9 to check for new mail. If
you can't get used to it, uninstall Outlook 2003 and go back to Outlook 97.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






HappyRinger said:
In Outlook 97 F5 does send/receive new mail as it refreshes the screen.

Diane Poremsky said:
Refresh is not the same as Send and Receive.

F9 is send and receive. F5 refreshes the view - the effect is not
noticeable
unless you use a view that hides read messages.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






My point is that F5 does NOT work in Outlook 2003 and I wish that it
did,
exactly because of what you said. Instead of having F5 for refresh,
it's
F9.


:

because F5 is refresh in all other windows applications and they
wanted
outlook to conform to windows standards.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






In prior versions of Outlook, F5 would "refresh" the inbox by
checking
for
new mail. It's driving me crazy that in Outlook 2003, it's F9
instead.
Why
the change?

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
the
"I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
follow
this
link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader
and
then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

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Yes, I do like the change. I use F5 to refresh in other apps and like the
continuity (in that it works the same in all apps) but don't always want to
refresh and get new mail at the same time. F9 has worked for send and
receive for at least 2 versions, so I'm used to it. In at least one version
both worked to send and receive, which helped 'ease the pain' if you forgot
it was F9. F5 is useful for more than just the mail windows and you don't
always want to initiate a s/r when you refresh a screen - such as if you are
using a modem and working offline.

Why is it better to refresh manually using F5 than automatically as items
are marked read? One reason is it's too confusing if you use a mark as read
after xx min option - the messages literally disappear before your eyes,
whether you are done with them or not. There are other reasons, but this is
the big one that bugs the most users.

I am not a MS employee and I never speak for MS - I speak as someone who
teaches people to use the programs. In my extensive experience, when someone
is seriously bothered by the improvements to an upgrade, it's better for
them to continue to use the old version - in part because they close their
mind to better ways of doing things and want to keep doing things the old
way. Microsoft will never change F5 back to Send and Receive - your choice
is to get used to it or revert to the older version you seem to be more
comfortable with.



--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






HappyRinger said:
Do you personally like the change? I am curious as to what you like
better
about it.

What is the benefit to having to hit F5 instead of automatically hiding
the
read messages?

It makes perfect sense to me that when refreshing an inbox, it would
retrieve new messages. Are there any disadvantages for it to look for new
messages when the screen is refreshed?

Are you a Microsoft representative and are you speaking for Microsoft when
you say "If you can't get used to it, uninstall Outlook 2003 and go back
to
Outlook 97."

Diane Poremsky said:
It's still not the same as a Send/Receive - it just updates the view.
Outlook 97 also refreshes the view automatically when you use an unread
view
and mark a message read. (In Outlook 2003, press F5 to hide read messages
in
a hide read message view.)

The bottom line is F5 is refresh in all windows programs and beginning in
Outlook 2003, they corrected it so that it is for refreshing the screen
too
(otherwise, you'd need to switch folder to refresh a view) - so use F5 to
hide read messages or refresh other views and F9 to check for new mail.
If
you can't get used to it, uninstall Outlook 2003 and go back to Outlook
97.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






HappyRinger said:
In Outlook 97 F5 does send/receive new mail as it refreshes the screen.

:

Refresh is not the same as Send and Receive.

F9 is send and receive. F5 refreshes the view - the effect is not
noticeable
unless you use a view that hides read messages.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






My point is that F5 does NOT work in Outlook 2003 and I wish that it
did,
exactly because of what you said. Instead of having F5 for refresh,
it's
F9.


:

because F5 is refresh in all other windows applications and they
wanted
outlook to conform to windows standards.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours
Coauthor, OneNote 2003 for Windows (Visual QuickStart Guide)
Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/






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In prior versions of Outlook, F5 would "refresh" the inbox by
checking
for
new mail. It's driving me crazy that in Outlook 2003, it's F9
instead.
Why
the change?

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds
to
the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
click
the
"I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
follow
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then
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I think it's a good idea to have Office apps, especially Outlook, behave
like most Windows apps. However, I am still not used to Outlook using F4
for Find, instead of F3 like all other apps (e.g. Word).
 
In Ol2003's shell F3 opens the find pane and puts the cursor in the search
box, but F4 is used for searching text within an item - that one might get
fixed in the next version - it gets a lot of complaints.
 
Thanks; I didn't know about F3 - I have always used Alt-I.

If the Find key inside a document in the next Outlook gets fixed, that's
definitely a good reason to upgrade :)
 
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