DX10 and WinXP

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Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? I read that DX10 will only work
with Vista. Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not
planning to upgrade to Vista, I want to be able to use the newer video
cards(PCI-Express 2.0) with XP.

What do you think about Microsoft changing some things in Vista to be more
like XP if they come out with a VistaSP1?

Thank you;
David
 
titus12 said:
Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP?

That's not very likely.
I read that DX10 will only work with Vista.
Correct.

Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not planning to
upgrade to Vista, I want to be able to use the newer video cards(PCI-
Express 2.0) with XP.

No way if they require Windows Vista/DX10.
What do you think about Microsoft changing some things in Vista to be
more like XP if they come out with a VistaSP1?

The driver architecture for DX10 optimized video adapters differs
significantly from previous drivers. Therefore, it's not a question of
Vista SP1 or DX10 for WinXP. It's a question of the availability of such
video drivers as well.
 
Detlev said:
That's not very likely.


No way if they require Windows Vista/DX10.


The driver architecture for DX10 optimized video adapters differs
significantly from previous drivers. Therefore, it's not a question of
Vista SP1 or DX10 for WinXP. It's a question of the availability of such
video drivers as well.

If they wanted to provide DX10 for XP, they could. They would rather you
buy Vista because of their greed and a total lack of concern for paying
customers.
 
Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? I read that DX10 will only work
with Vista.

Right.


Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not
planning to upgrade to Vista,


I have no idea what the percentage is, although I doubt very much if
it's anywhere near that high. But whatever the percentage and whatever
their plans, most of them will upgrade to Vista sooner or later
because they will want support for the newer hardware and new software
that will only be available in the newer operating system.

I want to be able to use the newer video
cards(PCI-Express 2.0) with XP.


That's an example of what I explained above, and a reason why you will
probably upgrade to Vista sooner or later.

What do you think about Microsoft changing some things in Vista to be more
like XP if they come out with a VistaSP1?


Highly unlikely.
 
Alias said:
If they wanted to provide DX10 for XP, they could. They would rather you
buy Vista because of their greed and a total lack of concern for paying
customers. ^^^^^^

How much did you pay exactly for DX10 support under WinXP?
 
Detlev said:
How much did you pay exactly for DX10 support under WinXP?

Oh, so updates to XP are for purchase only now? I guess so with Vista
Ultimate Retail going for over $800 US Dollars and all it really is is
XP SE.
 
Alias said:
Oh, so updates to XP are for purchase only now?

LOL! The "Mainstream Support Phase" supports Security updates as well
as Hotfixes for non-security related problems. Security updates are
also supported during the "Extended Support Phase" except the products
concerning Consumer, Hardware, Multimedia and Business Solutions.
You didn't qualify for any "updates" beyond that scope. Take it easy.
 
:
| On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:41:39 -0700, "titus12" wrote:
|
| > Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? I read that DX10 will only
work
| > with Vista.
|
|
| Right.
|
|
| > Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not
| > planning to upgrade to Vista,
|
|
| I have no idea what the percentage is, although I doubt very much if
| it's anywhere near that high. But whatever the percentage and whatever
| their plans, most of them will upgrade to Vista sooner or later
| because they will want support for the newer hardware and new software
| that will only be available in the newer operating system.
|
|
| > I want to be able to use the newer video
| > cards(PCI-Express 2.0) with XP.
|
|
| That's an example of what I explained above, and a reason why you will
| probably upgrade to Vista sooner or later.

To me the entire design and policy about Windows Vista seems more like a
reason to move to Ubuntu Linux with Beryl.
http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://www.beryl-project.org/releases.php

Vista works good enough on my hardware, but some how... I'm trying to work
with it, but it's always taking my attention away from what I do. My opinion
is that if Microsoft wants people to buy Vista, then Vista must help this
people to do theit things easyer. And why did they put every setting on a
different page, different location, spread all around? Could that be user
friendly? Well, let's try typyng setting 1 in the search box... OK, now
setting 2... Horay, it found it! But can I search for 100 setings one after
another? Ofcource I can, but I don't have a free week to loose. You'd ask
why would I need to change 100 settings? Well, that because I didn't like
how that settings were by default.

You see, I'm a user, and I don't like it, because it's not the way I want it
to be! Many people can afford to buy Vista, but they don't like it.

At least that is my impression from the beta program. I used it for a week
or two, then I re-formated the partition and said: "No, I can't work with
that! It's killing my productivity."




| > What do you think about Microsoft changing some things in Vista to be
more
| > like XP if they come out with a VistaSP1?
|
|
| Highly unlikely.
|
| --
| Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
| Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
Alias said:
Oh, so updates to XP are for purchase only now? I guess so with Vista
Ultimate Retail going for over $800 US Dollars and all it really is is
XP SE.

hehehe...more lies huh? Give it up and move on ok. You are a failed
business person and can't afford to purchase Vista (the world's best OS)
so your opinion of it is meaningless and insignificant, just like you.
Frank
 
:
| On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:41:39 -0700, "titus12" wrote:
|
| > Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? I read that DX10 will only
work
| > with Vista.
|
|
| Right.
|
|
| > Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not
| > planning to upgrade to Vista,
|
|
| I have no idea what the percentage is, although I doubt very much if
| it's anywhere near that high. But whatever the percentage and whatever
| their plans, most of them will upgrade to Vista sooner or later
| because they will want support for the newer hardware and new software
| that will only be available in the newer operating system.
|
|
| > I want to be able to use the newer video
| > cards(PCI-Express 2.0) with XP.
|
|
| That's an example of what I explained above, and a reason why you will
| probably upgrade to Vista sooner or later.

To me the entire design and policy about Windows Vista seems more like a
reason to move to Ubuntu Linux with Beryl.
http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://www.beryl-project.org/releases.php

Vista works good enough on my hardware, but some how... I'm trying to work
with it, but it's always taking my attention away from what I do. My opinion
is that if Microsoft wants people to buy Vista, then Vista must help this
people to do theit things easyer. And why did they put every setting on a
different page, different location, spread all around? Could that be user
friendly? Well, let's try typyng setting 1 in the search box... OK, now
setting 2... Horay, it found it! But can I search for 100 setings one after
another? Ofcource I can, but I don't have a free week to loose. You'd ask
why would I need to change 100 settings? Well, that because I didn't like
how that settings were by default.

You see, I'm a user, and I don't like it, because it's not the way I want it
to be!


That's fine. Use whatever you like.

Many people can afford to buy Vista, but they don't like it.

At least that is my impression from the beta program. I used it for a week
or two, then I re-formated the partition and said: "No, I can't work with
that! It's killing my productivity."


Again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't want to
use, but rejecting a product because you didn't like it when it was in
beta seems to me to be foolish.
 
Ken Blake said:
That's fine. Use whatever you like.




Again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't want to
use, but rejecting a product because you didn't like it when it was in
beta seems to me to be foolish.

Ken:

I will buy Vista if I had to. I am not convinced that Vista is better than
XP. Xp has given me far fewer problems than the other OS. Yes, I will be
upgrading my system. My concern is to not have a lot of junk on my hard
drive that I don't need and the knowledge that files and personal
information is not being accessed by Microsoft when updates are installed.
Also, the fact that if a person have two or more computers he will have to
buy another copy of Vista. Do I have to buy another copy of vista If my
computer crash and I have to reinstall it or if I buy a new hard drive?

Microsoft should do the right thing with its customers if you want us to
continue to buy your products. Microsoft has some good products to offer.
You never know when someone else will come out with a better mouse trap. If
you feel something is not right in your heart it's most likely is and it
will not prosper.

Thank you;
David
 
:
|
| > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
| > | On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:41:39 -0700, "titus12" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? I read that DX10 will
only
| > work
| > | > with Vista.
| > |
| > |
| > | Right.
| > |
| > |
| > | > Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not
| > | > planning to upgrade to Vista,
| > |
| > |
| > | I have no idea what the percentage is, although I doubt very much if
| > | it's anywhere near that high. But whatever the percentage and whatever
| > | their plans, most of them will upgrade to Vista sooner or later
| > | because they will want support for the newer hardware and new software
| > | that will only be available in the newer operating system.
| > |
| > |
| > | > I want to be able to use the newer video
| > | > cards(PCI-Express 2.0) with XP.
| > |
| > |
| > | That's an example of what I explained above, and a reason why you will
| > | probably upgrade to Vista sooner or later.
| >
| > To me the entire design and policy about Windows Vista seems more like a
| > reason to move to Ubuntu Linux with Beryl.
| > http://www.ubuntu.com/
| > http://www.beryl-project.org/releases.php
| >
| > Vista works good enough on my hardware, but some how... I'm trying to
work
| > with it, but it's always taking my attention away from what I do. My
opinion
| > is that if Microsoft wants people to buy Vista, then Vista must help
this
| > people to do theit things easyer. And why did they put every setting on
a
| > different page, different location, spread all around? Could that be
user
| > friendly? Well, let's try typyng setting 1 in the search box... OK, now
| > setting 2... Horay, it found it! But can I search for 100 setings one
after
| > another? Ofcource I can, but I don't have a free week to loose. You'd
ask
| > why would I need to change 100 settings? Well, that because I didn't
like
| > how that settings were by default.
| >
| > You see, I'm a user, and I don't like it, because it's not the way I
want it
| > to be!
|
|
| That's fine. Use whatever you like.
|
|
| > Many people can afford to buy Vista, but they don't like it.
| >
| > At least that is my impression from the beta program. I used it for a
week
| > or two, then I re-formated the partition and said: "No, I can't work
with
| > that! It's killing my productivity."
|
|
| Again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't want to
| use, but rejecting a product because you didn't like it when it was in
| beta seems to me to be foolish.

Good point! :-) I was so busy talking about the things I didn't like, that I
quite forgot about the improvements. Just to mention a few that I like...
Built-in support for DVD burning, including UDF. I remember there was
something about very fast searching based on indexing and SQL. Also improved
CPU scheduling for better multimedia and streaming performance... That's
pretty good for live video capturing. There's also the Desktop Window
Manager - every window is rendered on it's own surface, the Desktop
Composition will combine all that windows together, creating what you can
see on the screen. Of course this depends on DirectX 10 and a driver that
supports it :-) This allows all that fancy effects. It still needed some
optimisation, but I guess this was fixed in the final version. Oh and this
also allowed a window to be moved around without redrawing the other
windows... The operating systems just tells the video card to move that
window somewhere else. This frees a lot of CPU time. By the way Windowblinds
can add this nice feature to XP.

I'm preparing to try the Windows 2008 Server beta. I just love playing with
servers. After all, they seem to be much more manageable and usually do what
I want to :-)

Thank You for the correction, Ken!


George Valkov
 
Ken:

I will buy Vista if I had to. I am not convinced that Vista is better than
XP. Xp has given me far fewer problems than the other OS. Yes, I will be
upgrading my system. My concern is to not have a lot of junk on my hard
drive that I don't need and the knowledge that files and personal
information is not being accessed by Microsoft when updates are installed.


It's not.

Also, the fact that if a person have two or more computers he will have to
buy another copy of Vista.


That's nothing new. It's also true of Windows XP, Windows 2000,
Windows NT, Windows Me, 98, 95, and 3.1.

Do I have to buy another copy of vista If my
computer crash and I have to reinstall it



No. Just as with every preceding version of Windows.

or if I buy a new hard drive?



No. Just as with every preceding version of Windows.


Microsoft should do the right thing with its customers if you want us to
continue to buy your products.



"Your products"? I don't work for Microsoft. This is a peer support
newsgroup. We are all just Windows XP users here, helping each other
if and when we can. We are not Microsoft employees (not even those of
us with "Microsoft MVP" behind our names; that's an honorary title for
having provided consistently helpful advice) except for an occasional
employee who posts here unofficially on his own time.
 
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
| Again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't want to
| use, but rejecting a product because you didn't like it when it was in
| beta seems to me to be foolish.

Good point! :-) I was so busy talking about the things I didn't like, that I
quite forgot about the improvements. Just to mention a few that I like...
Built-in support for DVD burning, including UDF. I remember there was
something about very fast searching based on indexing and SQL. Also improved
CPU scheduling for better multimedia and streaming performance... That's
pretty good for live video capturing. There's also the Desktop Window
Manager - every window is rendered on it's own surface, the Desktop
Composition will combine all that windows together, creating what you can
see on the screen. Of course this depends on DirectX 10 and a driver that
supports it :-) This allows all that fancy effects. It still needed some
optimisation, but I guess this was fixed in the final version. Oh and this
also allowed a window to be moved around without redrawing the other
windows... The operating systems just tells the video card to move that
window somewhere else. This frees a lot of CPU time. By the way Windowblinds
can add this nice feature to XP.

I'm preparing to try the Windows 2008 Server beta. I just love playing with
servers. After all, they seem to be much more manageable and usually do what
I want to :-)

Thank You for the correction, Ken!


You're welcome. Glad to help.
 
Frank said:
hehehe...more lies huh? Give it up and move on ok. You are a failed
business person and can't afford to purchase Vista (the world's best OS)
so your opinion of it is meaningless and insignificant, just like you.
Frank

You're a low life stalker, Frank.
 
Ken:

Sorry if I offended you on my last post.


Titus12? David? Are you the same as George Valkov, below?

Sorry, I'm completely confused. If you are not the George Valkov
below, I have no idea what you're saying.

And if you are talking about some other thread, I don't know what it
is, but I don't get offended easily, even if I disagree with you.


 

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