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Has anyone tried to dual boot xp with xp. if so how do you do it?
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R. C. White
Hi, mwm.
Yep! It's easy. Automatic, in fact, so long as you follow the basic rule,
which is to install each copy into a different volume (primary partition, or
logical drive in an extended partition, on any HD in your computer).
With the first copy installed, boot from the WinXP CD-ROM and let Setup run
again. Tell it to do a clean install and tell it where to put the second
copy (D:? E:? X:?). Then just sit back and wait until it is finished.
Setup will update C:\boot.ini to include the new copy of WinXP; you will
need to choose each time you reboot. There will be only a single System
Partition (Drive C:, typically), plus a Boot Volume - where the \Windows
folder resides - for each installation. Often, C: is the Boot Volume for
the first copy of WinXP, as well as the System Partition. A typical setup
might have C:\Windows and D:\Windows.
That's all there is to it, although you may want to tweak some things. For
example, you can edit C:\boot.ini to shorten (to zero?) the time the opening
menu is displayed.
Some worry that the EULA requires a separate license for each copy of WinXP
installed. But see this page from the online version of the WinXP Pro
Resource Kit:
Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional Installation
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp
URLs don't always hit the page I'm aiming at in the RK, but it's in Chapter
28, Troubleshooting Startup, in case you get lost. In fact, there's LOTS of
good information in the RK that you might enjoy and learn from.
RC
Yep! It's easy. Automatic, in fact, so long as you follow the basic rule,
which is to install each copy into a different volume (primary partition, or
logical drive in an extended partition, on any HD in your computer).
With the first copy installed, boot from the WinXP CD-ROM and let Setup run
again. Tell it to do a clean install and tell it where to put the second
copy (D:? E:? X:?). Then just sit back and wait until it is finished.
Setup will update C:\boot.ini to include the new copy of WinXP; you will
need to choose each time you reboot. There will be only a single System
Partition (Drive C:, typically), plus a Boot Volume - where the \Windows
folder resides - for each installation. Often, C: is the Boot Volume for
the first copy of WinXP, as well as the System Partition. A typical setup
might have C:\Windows and D:\Windows.
That's all there is to it, although you may want to tweak some things. For
example, you can edit C:\boot.ini to shorten (to zero?) the time the opening
menu is displayed.
Some worry that the EULA requires a separate license for each copy of WinXP
installed. But see this page from the online version of the WinXP Pro
Resource Kit:
Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional Installation
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp
URLs don't always hit the page I'm aiming at in the RK, but it's in Chapter
28, Troubleshooting Startup, in case you get lost. In fact, there's LOTS of
good information in the RK that you might enjoy and learn from.
RC
M
Miss Perspicacia Tick
R. C. White said:Hi, mwm.
Yep! It's easy. Automatic, in fact, so long as you follow the basic
rule, which is to install each copy into a different volume (primary
partition, or logical drive in an extended partition, on any HD in
your computer).
With the first copy installed, boot from the WinXP CD-ROM and let
Setup run again. Tell it to do a clean install and tell it where to
put the second copy (D:? E:? X:?). Then just sit back and wait
until it is finished. Setup will update C:\boot.ini to include the
new copy of WinXP; you will need to choose each time you reboot. There
will be only a single System Partition (Drive C:, typically),
plus a Boot Volume - where the \Windows folder resides - for each
installation. Often, C: is the Boot Volume for the first copy of
WinXP, as well as the System Partition. A typical setup might have
C:\Windows and D:\Windows.
That's all there is to it, although you may want to tweak some
things. For example, you can edit C:\boot.ini to shorten (to zero?)
the time the opening menu is displayed.
Some worry that the EULA requires a separate license for each copy of
WinXP installed. But see this page from the online version of the
WinXP Pro Resource Kit:
Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional Installation
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp
URLs don't always hit the page I'm aiming at in the RK, but it's in
Chapter 28, Troubleshooting Startup, in case you get lost. In fact,
there's LOTS of good information in the RK that you might enjoy and
learn from.
RC
There is one thing that R.C. forgot to mention and that is you *CANNOT* dual
boot using the same key - if you wish to dual boot you will need to purchase
a second licence - otherwise you are in violation of the EULA and the second
installation will fail to activate.
N
namniar
R.C.,
I think this is the link you meant?!?
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prdh_dmt_jeon.asp
By the way, does this work for XP Home, as well, or just PRO edition?
r.
I think this is the link you meant?!?
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prdh_dmt_jeon.asp
By the way, does this work for XP Home, as well, or just PRO edition?
r.
T
Tom
Miss Perspicacia Tick said:There is one thing that R.C. forgot to mention and that is you *CANNOT*
dual boot using the same key - if you wish to dual boot you will need to
purchase a second licence - otherwise you are in violation of the EULA and
the second installation will fail to activate.
Exactly how is this in violation of the EULA, as it says one PC per license,
and that key is being used on only one PC. Also, the key will activate just
fine, since the hard hash is exactly the same. By the way, I bought the
software, not a license.
R
R. C. White
Hi, namniar.
Nope. When I clicked that one, it took me to the Power Management chapter.
:>(
I just can't seem to learn the secret to getting the right URL to deliver me
to the page I want in the online RK. But if you get into the RK at all,
just follow this path: Welcome > Part VI System Troubleshooting > Ch 28
Troubleshooting Startup > Following a Process for Startup and Recovery.
Then click on Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional Installation.
The first paragraph says, "Infrequently, startup files and critical areas on
the hard disk become corrupted. If you are mainly concerned with salvaging
readable data files and using the Backup tool to copy them to backup media
or a network location, you can perform a parallel Windows XP Professional
installation."
I don't really want to get into the interpretation and legality of the EULA,
since I'm not a lawyer and I can see (at least) two interpretations of the
language. As I said earlier, many experts think it prohibits dual-booting
multiple copies on a single computer with a single WinXP license. This is
obviously Miss Tick's view, although her final statement ("...the second
installation will fail to activate.") is demonstrably wrong since I (and
many others) have done this several times with no activation problems. WPA
will allow the same license to be installed on the same computer an
unlimited number of times, with or without deleting earlier copies. But the
fact that Microsoft Press publishes instructions on how to do a parallel
install in their official documentation tells me that it is permissible, at
least sometimes. Of course, in a dual-boot system, no more than one copy of
WinXP can be running at any one time; to run the second copy we have to
reboot, which exits the first copy. And the RK seems to expect that the
parallel install would be temporary, only for salvaging files from a corrupt
disk, but it does not clearly state that it must not be permanent, or that
there cannot be more than two parallel installs.
I've never had WinXP Home and I don't know for sure if the parallel install
(or dual-boot) would work. But it has worked for me with WinNT4, Win2K Pro,
WinXP Pro, Win2K3 Server and Longhorn, so I expect it would work fine with
WinXP Home. By the way, you can also have a single instance of Win9x/ME
installed along with multiple instances of Win2K/XP, etc.; it's easy if
Win9x/ME is installed FIRST and the newest Windows is installed LAST.
RC
I think this is the link you meant?!?
Nope. When I clicked that one, it took me to the Power Management chapter.
:>(
I just can't seem to learn the secret to getting the right URL to deliver me
to the page I want in the online RK. But if you get into the RK at all,
just follow this path: Welcome > Part VI System Troubleshooting > Ch 28
Troubleshooting Startup > Following a Process for Startup and Recovery.
Then click on Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional Installation.
The first paragraph says, "Infrequently, startup files and critical areas on
the hard disk become corrupted. If you are mainly concerned with salvaging
readable data files and using the Backup tool to copy them to backup media
or a network location, you can perform a parallel Windows XP Professional
installation."
I don't really want to get into the interpretation and legality of the EULA,
since I'm not a lawyer and I can see (at least) two interpretations of the
language. As I said earlier, many experts think it prohibits dual-booting
multiple copies on a single computer with a single WinXP license. This is
obviously Miss Tick's view, although her final statement ("...the second
installation will fail to activate.") is demonstrably wrong since I (and
many others) have done this several times with no activation problems. WPA
will allow the same license to be installed on the same computer an
unlimited number of times, with or without deleting earlier copies. But the
fact that Microsoft Press publishes instructions on how to do a parallel
install in their official documentation tells me that it is permissible, at
least sometimes. Of course, in a dual-boot system, no more than one copy of
WinXP can be running at any one time; to run the second copy we have to
reboot, which exits the first copy. And the RK seems to expect that the
parallel install would be temporary, only for salvaging files from a corrupt
disk, but it does not clearly state that it must not be permanent, or that
there cannot be more than two parallel installs.
I've never had WinXP Home and I don't know for sure if the parallel install
(or dual-boot) would work. But it has worked for me with WinNT4, Win2K Pro,
WinXP Pro, Win2K3 Server and Longhorn, so I expect it would work fine with
WinXP Home. By the way, you can also have a single instance of Win9x/ME
installed along with multiple instances of Win2K/XP, etc.; it's easy if
Win9x/ME is installed FIRST and the newest Windows is installed LAST.
RC
D
D@annyBoy
no you did not buy the software
you bought a copy of the licence
you bought a copy of the licence
D
D@annyBoy
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prdh_dmt_jeon.asp
Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional Installation
Infrequently, startup files and critical areas on the hard disk become
corrupted. If you are mainly concerned with salvaging readable data files
and using the Backup tool to copy them to backup media or a network
location, you can perform a parallel Windows XP Professional installation.
my comments
Please note that the purpose of dual boot 1 licence WinXP is to salvage data
files and not to run 2 copies of WinXP in 1 computer system. After the data
files are recovered, users are advise to format the hard disk and reinstall
WinXP + SP2 + SP3
Activating the 2nd copy is not necessary since it will be deleted after data
are recovered.
Legally you cannot run 2 copies of WinXP in one system, but if without
morals, you can.
Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional Installation
Infrequently, startup files and critical areas on the hard disk become
corrupted. If you are mainly concerned with salvaging readable data files
and using the Backup tool to copy them to backup media or a network
location, you can perform a parallel Windows XP Professional installation.
my comments
Please note that the purpose of dual boot 1 licence WinXP is to salvage data
files and not to run 2 copies of WinXP in 1 computer system. After the data
files are recovered, users are advise to format the hard disk and reinstall
WinXP + SP2 + SP3
Activating the 2nd copy is not necessary since it will be deleted after data
are recovered.
Legally you cannot run 2 copies of WinXP in one system, but if without
morals, you can.
N
namniar
Thank you,
r.
r.
D@annyBoy said:http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prdh_dmt_jeon.asp
Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional Installation
Infrequently, startup files and critical areas on the hard disk become
corrupted. If you are mainly concerned with salvaging readable data files
and using the Backup tool to copy them to backup media or a network
location, you can perform a parallel Windows XP Professional installation.
my comments
Please note that the purpose of dual boot 1 licence WinXP is to salvage
data files and not to run 2 copies of WinXP in 1 computer system. After
the data files are recovered, users are advise to format the hard disk and
reinstall WinXP + SP2 + SP3
Activating the 2nd copy is not necessary since it will be deleted after
data are recovered.
Legally you cannot run 2 copies of WinXP in one system, but if without
morals, you can.
N
namniar
Thank you,
r.
r.
R. C. White said:Hi, namniar.
Nope. When I clicked that one, it took me to the Power Management
chapter. :>(
I just can't seem to learn the secret to getting the right URL to deliver
me to the page I want in the online RK. But if you get into the RK at
all, just follow this path: Welcome > Part VI System Troubleshooting >
Ch 28 Troubleshooting Startup > Following a Process for Startup and
Recovery. Then click on Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional
Installation. The first paragraph says, "Infrequently, startup files and
critical areas on the hard disk become corrupted. If you are mainly
concerned with salvaging readable data files and using the Backup tool to
copy them to backup media or a network location, you can perform a
parallel Windows XP Professional installation."
I don't really want to get into the interpretation and legality of the
EULA, since I'm not a lawyer and I can see (at least) two interpretations
of the language. As I said earlier, many experts think it prohibits
dual-booting multiple copies on a single computer with a single WinXP
license. This is obviously Miss Tick's view, although her final statement
("...the second
installation will fail to activate.") is demonstrably wrong since I (and
many others) have done this several times with no activation problems.
WPA will allow the same license to be installed on the same computer an
unlimited number of times, with or without deleting earlier copies. But
the fact that Microsoft Press publishes instructions on how to do a
parallel install in their official documentation tells me that it is
permissible, at least sometimes. Of course, in a dual-boot system, no
more than one copy of WinXP can be running at any one time; to run the
second copy we have to reboot, which exits the first copy. And the RK
seems to expect that the parallel install would be temporary, only for
salvaging files from a corrupt disk, but it does not clearly state that it
must not be permanent, or that there cannot be more than two parallel
installs.
I've never had WinXP Home and I don't know for sure if the parallel
install (or dual-boot) would work. But it has worked for me with WinNT4,
Win2K Pro, WinXP Pro, Win2K3 Server and Longhorn, so I expect it would
work fine with WinXP Home. By the way, you can also have a single
instance of Win9x/ME installed along with multiple instances of Win2K/XP,
etc.; it's easy if Win9x/ME is installed FIRST and the newest Windows is
installed LAST.
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
T
Tom
No, I bought software, and it says so right on the reciept
I got with it. Also, it doesn't mention anything on the
box that I am buying a license, the only mention is
regarding the licensing agreement, which cannot be read
until you open the box, and use the disk in the CDROM.
Even then, the wording in the EULA does not make it clear
how many times I can use the same disk on the same PC,
since I can only run one instance of the (or any) install
at any one time.
I got with it. Also, it doesn't mention anything on the
box that I am buying a license, the only mention is
regarding the licensing agreement, which cannot be read
until you open the box, and use the disk in the CDROM.
Even then, the wording in the EULA does not make it clear
how many times I can use the same disk on the same PC,
since I can only run one instance of the (or any) install
at any one time.
M
Miss Perspicacia Tick
D@annyBoy said:no you did not buy the software
you bought a copy of the licence
No it doesn't. You haven't read the EULA at all have you? It's all there;
Section 1, Paragraph 1.
"GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights provided that
you comply with all terms and conditions of this EULA:
1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run
*ONE* copy of the Software on a single computer..."
Also, the key will activate just fine, since the hard hash is exactly the
same.
Sorry, idiot, but it won't for the reason specified above. When the online
activation checks its database, it will discover that the software has
already been activated once on that system. As the EULA states that you can
only run *ONE* copy per system, activation of the second - and subsequent
copies - will fail. The same thing will happen if you attempt to do so by
phone, too.
By the way, I bought the software, not a license.
You bought the software, did you?! Wow - you must have won the lottery a
couple of thousand times over to afford that! As you now own all rights to
Windows XP, could you give us some idea as to the release date of SP3? Or
maybe there isn't going to be an SP3 - could you enlighten us?
I don't believe I've awarded my Moron of the Month Award for March. If I
haven't, you've definitely made the shortlist.
M
Miss Perspicacia Tick
D@annyBoy said:http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prdh_dmt_jeon.asp
Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional Installation
Infrequently, startup files and critical areas on the hard disk become
corrupted. If you are mainly concerned with salvaging readable data
files and using the Backup tool to copy them to backup media or a
network location, you can perform a parallel Windows XP Professional
installation.
my comments
format the hard disk and reinstall WinXP + SP2 + SP3
SP3, eh? ;o) As Windows SPs are cumulative, if there ever is an SP3,
(re)installing SPs 1 and 2 won't be necessary.
G
Gary R.
Why would anyone be so anal as to make such a big deal if he installs 2 or
12 installs of software that he paid for on the same machine....what's he
going to do, switch back and forth really quick and cheat Microsoft out
of...out of...hmmm, well, out of getting paid more money for nothing? Maybe
he can't run both copies at once, but it's there, sitting there, breaking
laws just by existing, evil for sure.
I think he owns the CD, which has a copy of the software on it. If he wants
to consider that "buying" the software, what do you care? You call HIM a
moron and then you ask HIM when service pack 3 is coming out? Who sounds
like the moron there?
This is so utterly ridiculous, I'd have thought only a worthless lawyer or
wannabe worthless lawyer would argue about such trivial, insignificant
nitpickey details such as this...he just asked if he could make it dual
boot, not for all the worthless tripe that followed. Call the FBI, report
him, he's a wrongdoer, even thinking he bought software, can you imagine?
He needs to be stopped now, imagine running two copies of software you
bought (oops, sorry), one at a time, on the same machine, that's as
outrageous as watching TV and not watching the commercials. Geez, maybe
he'd figure out a way to make them both run at once on the same machine,
agh, he has to be stopped!!
Get a life. At least you chose your last name well, may want to rethink the
first one though.
Gary
12 installs of software that he paid for on the same machine....what's he
going to do, switch back and forth really quick and cheat Microsoft out
of...out of...hmmm, well, out of getting paid more money for nothing? Maybe
he can't run both copies at once, but it's there, sitting there, breaking
laws just by existing, evil for sure.
I think he owns the CD, which has a copy of the software on it. If he wants
to consider that "buying" the software, what do you care? You call HIM a
moron and then you ask HIM when service pack 3 is coming out? Who sounds
like the moron there?
This is so utterly ridiculous, I'd have thought only a worthless lawyer or
wannabe worthless lawyer would argue about such trivial, insignificant
nitpickey details such as this...he just asked if he could make it dual
boot, not for all the worthless tripe that followed. Call the FBI, report
him, he's a wrongdoer, even thinking he bought software, can you imagine?
He needs to be stopped now, imagine running two copies of software you
bought (oops, sorry), one at a time, on the same machine, that's as
outrageous as watching TV and not watching the commercials. Geez, maybe
he'd figure out a way to make them both run at once on the same machine,
agh, he has to be stopped!!
Get a life. At least you chose your last name well, may want to rethink the
first one though.
Gary
T
Tom
Before I make the pertinent reply, you need to learn to whom you are
replying, which is me, not DummyBoy; and also, quote me (using proper
punctuation marks), as your reply looks like you wrote what I wrote.
Read it again, part of it states that I can only run one copy at one time,
that is all anyone can do anyway.
As stated above, I can only run one at a time; how does one run Windows
twice in the same session?
Wrong idiot, it simply checks the hardware hash; using your logic, then the
install can only be done once PERIOD. But I will explain to your thick head
why you are wrong. Suppose one installs the OS, and it fails after the first
activation, and the only recourse (hypothetical, so suck it up) is to
reinstall it fresh again, are you saying they are now screwed? How does MS
know that I installed it twice, when in fact, the re-installation could have
been due to failure of the first?
I can tell you in no uncertain terms, that I have installed my previous
retail upgrade version of Pro twice on the same system a few times before
(removed due to beta testing). Not once was there a problem with activation.
As I stated to DummyBoy, where on the box does it say that I bought a
license (refer to that post, I won't repost it here)?
LOL, is that something like the Moronic post you made not long ago:
"You're the winner of the March Moron of the
Month Award (awarded monthly on a month-by-month basis)."
You never did explain how "monthly" and "month to month" are different, as
you posted here:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers/msg/000877cb6f314a43
By the way, I hope you retain your own name on that shortlist, just to
remind yourself of what a moron is !
replying, which is me, not DummyBoy; and also, quote me (using proper
punctuation marks), as your reply looks like you wrote what I wrote.
No it doesn't. You haven't read the EULA at all have you? It's all there;
Section 1, Paragraph 1.
Read it again, part of it states that I can only run one copy at one time,
that is all anyone can do anyway.
"GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights provided
that you comply with all terms and conditions of this EULA:
1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run
*ONE* copy of the Software on a single computer..."
As stated above, I can only run one at a time; how does one run Windows
twice in the same session?
(From my previous post, for MPTs quote screw-up) Also, the key will
activate just fine, since the hard hash is exactly the same.
Sorry, idiot, but it won't for the reason specified above. When the online
activation checks its database, it will discover that the software has
already been activated once on that system. As the EULA states that you
can only run *ONE* copy per system, activation of the second - and
subsequent copies - will fail. The same thing will happen if you attempt
to do so by phone, too.
Wrong idiot, it simply checks the hardware hash; using your logic, then the
install can only be done once PERIOD. But I will explain to your thick head
why you are wrong. Suppose one installs the OS, and it fails after the first
activation, and the only recourse (hypothetical, so suck it up) is to
reinstall it fresh again, are you saying they are now screwed? How does MS
know that I installed it twice, when in fact, the re-installation could have
been due to failure of the first?
I can tell you in no uncertain terms, that I have installed my previous
retail upgrade version of Pro twice on the same system a few times before
(removed due to beta testing). Not once was there a problem with activation.
(From my previous post, for MPTs quote screw-up) By the way, I bought the
software, not a license.
You bought the software, did you?! Wow - you must have won the lottery a
couple of thousand times over to afford that! As you now own all rights to
Windows XP, could you give us some idea as to the release date of SP3? Or
maybe there isn't going to be an SP3 - could you enlighten us?
As I stated to DummyBoy, where on the box does it say that I bought a
license (refer to that post, I won't repost it here)?
I don't believe I've awarded my Moron of the Month Award for March. If I
haven't, you've definitely made the shortlist.
LOL, is that something like the Moronic post you made not long ago:
"You're the winner of the March Moron of the
Month Award (awarded monthly on a month-by-month basis)."
You never did explain how "monthly" and "month to month" are different, as
you posted here:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers/msg/000877cb6f314a43
By the way, I hope you retain your own name on that shortlist, just to
remind yourself of what a moron is !