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hi i guess im pretty stupid when it comes to windows xp
i have a golf game my husband would like me to download
but when i insert the dic it says i must open the computer
in Dos mode. wel how do i do that so i cn make him happy
thank you for your time
Judy
 
Windows XP does not have a DOS restart mode.

To get to a DOS command prompt, click the Start button, click RUN and type
in Command. This will open a DOS command prompt. You should be able to
browse to the CD or floppy to begin the install as needed from here.


Bill F. (Windows Setup MVP)
 
Bill Frisbee [MVP] cogitated deeply and scribbled thusly:
Windows XP does not have a DOS restart mode.

To get to a DOS command prompt, click the Start button, click RUN and type
in Command. This will open a DOS command prompt. You should be able to
browse to the CD or floppy to begin the install as needed from here.


Bill F. (Windows Setup MVP)
I'm very interested as to why all the MVP's in this group seem to
advocate "Run" commands to do things, rather than in this case,
Start-All Progs-Accesories-Command Prompt. Can you explain why this is?
Surely the very ethos of Windows is a GUI, not a command-line environment!
 
I don't use Start-All Progs-Accesories-Command Prompt because command prompt
isn't there on my computer.

Jonathan
 
Personally, I suggest using the RUN dialog box when it's simply not
necessary to get a command prompt, or if I think it would cause unnecessary
confusion to suggest that a command prompt be used.

Most of the time, the RUN box is the simplest way to get things done, but
there's always multiple ways of doing things. Do which ever you prefer
(and, incidentally, I prefer the command prompt myself...).
 
PS This doesn't mean I think it's a good thing. I swear at MS while typing at the necessity of it.

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Microsoft has a big thing about making the NT platform a super command line platform. This is for system administrators.

I don't know about you but XP has far too many levels of everything. Start - Run - Type is so easy compared with the GUI way of starting programs.

I use faviourites on Start, Search, and Run. With my electronic reference libraries pinned to start.

If I want to open a folder I type it's path, it's quicker. If I look for a file I search, that's quicker.

If I want to start word I type winword, excel I type excel. And as start run maintains a history only the first two or three letters need to be typed.

Also it is easy to give a specific command with a known effect via a command line rather than releying on some person to complete some procedure.
 
David Candy cogitated deeply and scribbled thusly:
Microsoft has a big thing about making the NT platform a super command line platform. This is for system administrators.

I don't know about you but XP has far too many levels of everything. Start - Run - Type is so easy compared with the GUI way of starting programs.

I use faviourites on Start, Search, and Run. With my electronic reference libraries pinned to start.

If I want to open a folder I type it's path, it's quicker. If I look for a file I search, that's quicker.

If I want to start word I type winword, excel I type excel. And as start run maintains a history only the first two or three letters need to be typed.

Also it is easy to give a specific command with a known effect via a command line rather than releying on some person to complete some procedure.

Thanks for the reply! I would say however, that all that is fine if
you're Advanced User/Administrator level, but the vast majority of
posters in here aren't! (Just look at most of the queries!) And in fact
I would guess that most posters here have never had to use DOS or
dabbled in Linux or done anything that reqiuires typing in commands. My
point is that users of that level would benefit more from finding out
where various functions occur in the GUI than just slavishly typing in a
row of characters that you've given them. Just my 2p worth!
 
-----Original Message-----

You seem to be missing either an "s" or a "k". Not knowing
which makes it hard to give you an accurate answer. I
hope its a "disc" that you're trying to insert, but one
never knows...
 
Running DOS programs in Windows XP can be difficult. Unlike earlier versions
of Windows, XP is not based on the DOS kernel. Instead it, like Windows
2000, is based on the NT kernel. This is one of the things that makes XP
more robust than Windows 98, but it has it's drawbacks for the DOS gamer.
Because there is no DOS kernel, XP has to run DOS games in "pretend DOS"
mode. Unfortunately, XP is not a great pretender. In addition, the tricks
you learning in your DOS gaming days (veterans who fought to get more free
memory to run "Falcon" will know what I mean) are no longer appropriate in
the new age of XP.

The difficulty you'll have in running a DOS game will depend on your machine
and on the game. Before trying the steps below, try running the game by
simply clicking on it, then try various settings on the compatibility tab.
This procedure is outlined in the Microsoft Knowledge Base article Q301911.

When I first tried to run "Steel Panthers World War 2" on my XP machine I
saw some text on the screen but there was no game visible. By using a VGA
test program called vgatest.exe I discovered that my video card - a
top-of-the-line Radeon 8500 - didn't support all the VESA modes. If this is
the case, there's not much you can do except to try running the game in an
emulator. However, you may find that different video card drivers provide
the VESA support that the game demands. In my case installing the latest
(beta) drivers from ATI solved the problem. (Note to Radeon owners: these
drivers leave the display a mess when you exit a DOS game; to clear things
up just use the ATI system tray tool to switch resolution or refresh rate
and then switch back to the one you want.)

Even after updating the video drivers, you may notice that all your DOS
programs run at a 60 Hz refresh rate. I don't know of a solution for this.

Other causes of DOS game failure include lack of memory (conventional,
extended, or expanded) or sound card problems. Windows XP does provide
specials file that replace FOR DOS PROGRAMS ONLY the autoexec.bat and
config.sys files of yore and which configure the pseudo-DOS environment.
These are, respectively, autoexec.nt and config.nt and are in the
c:\WINDOWS\system32 directory (their location in Windows 2000 may be
different). These files are well-commented. If you create a shortcut to a
DOS program, right click on it, click on "Properties", click on the
"Program" tab, and click on "Advanced..." you will see that the paths of
these files in a dialog box. If you decide to experiment with these files,
I'd advise copying them, editing the copies, and setting the shortcut to
point to the copies. This way you not only avoid messing up your originals,
but you can have different files for different programs.

It's important to remember that the autoexec.bat and config.sys files in
your hard drive's root directory have nothing to do with DOS programs.

As mentioned above, XP's DOS subsystem is less than perfect. Even by playing
with the autoexec.nt and config.nt files - which don't provide all that much
control, really - you may not be able to get your game to run. All is not
lost, however, thanks to the efforts of one Vlad Romascanu and his marvelous
VDMSound program. Not only does VDMSound provide SoundBlaster emulation in
software (which works with any Windows-supported sound card), not only does
that emulation make DOS programs "think" they're "talking to" a real
SoundBlaster, but VDMSound makes configuring XP's DOS subsystem fairly easy.
Even if you have a new SoundBlaster, like the "Live" model, using VDMSound
is easier than getting the latest Creative cards to work for DOS games.

The rest of this page will be devoted to using VDMSound, so you may want to
get it, install it, and read the docs for it right now. You may even want to
read the docs before you install it - but who does that? From here on out,
I'll assume you've installed VDMSound and seen that it adds a "Run with
VDMS" entry on programs' context (right click) menus.

There's a good chance that your DOS game with a separate sound setup
program. For instance, for "Steel Panthers World War 2" this program is
called setsound.exe. Right click on that program and run it with the "Run
with VDMS" menu item. That will "train" your game to talk to the virtual
SoundBlaster card provided by VDMSound.

Now create a shortcut to the games executable file. For "Steel Panthers
World War 2" this is spww2.exe. You don't want to create a shortcut to the
spww2.bat file since that file tries to install VESA drivers that probably
aren't appropriate for today's high-end video cards.

Go to the VDMSound directory (probably c:\Program Files\VDMSound) and copy
autoexec.vdms and config.vdms to a directory of your choice. I put mine in a
directory named for the game, just to help keep things organized.

Right click on the shortcut and click "Properties". Click on the program tab
and edit the box labeled "Cmd line:". For "Wargame Construction Set II:
Tanks!", I changed this from:

C:\games\TANKS\TANKS.EXE

to:

%VDMSPath%\VDMSRun.bat C:\games\TANKS\TANKS.EXE

What we're doing here is telling Windows to use VDMSound to run our game.

In the same "Program" dialog, click "Close on exit", then click
"Advanced...". A dialog box labeled "Windows PIF Settings" will appear. Now
edit the fields labeled "Autoexec filename:" and "Config filename:" to point
to your copies (note: your copies) of autoexec.vdms and config.vdms,
respectively.

Now try and run the game. If it works correctly, you're done. If there are
still problems, don't despair, and for heaven's sake don't reformat your
hard disk and start over. Editing your copies of autoexec.vdms and
config.vdms may solve your problems.

I actually have not yet had a need to edit autoexec.vdms, but I needed more
conventional memory for "Tanks!" so I commented out the CD-ROM and DPMI
drivers by putting "REM" before these lines:

lh %SystemRoot%\system32\mscdexnt.exe
lh %SystemRoot%\system32\dosx.exe

"Steel Panthers World War 2" ran fine with VDMSound, but the mouse was
terribly slow, so slot that the game was almost unplayable. I found an old
DOS program from PC Magazine, "mousectl.com" that takes care of the problem.
You can download it and try it out; it can also be found in the file
pcmagut4.zip I was able to cure my slow mouse problem by adding these lines
to my autoexec.vdms file:

REM Make the mouse up to 1.5x more sensitive; 8 values
REM apparently provide acceleration as the mouse moves.
loadhigh c:\local\dos\mousectl 5,6,10,15,15,15,15,15

Though I haven't had to do it yet, you could probably add CPU slowdown
programs to the autoexec.vdms file if a game is too fast on your modern PC.

Finally, to get a file containing a report of how much memory is available
to your DOS program, add this line to autoexec.vdms:

mem /c > c:\dosmem.txt
 
Rifleman,

I understand what you are saying, however the original poster had issues
with a DOS software package.
What better way is there to run DOS than from the RUN command? After all CMD
is not the same as COMMAND.

Bill F. (Windows Setup MVP)
 
rifleman said:
I'm very interested as to why all the MVP's in this group seem to
advocate "Run" commands to do things, rather than in this case,
Start-All Progs-Accesories-Command Prompt. Can you explain why this is?
Surely the very ethos of Windows is a GUI, not a command-line environment!

I wonder too - I don't. I regard this as a GUI based system and where a
facility is available thorough it, that is what I use - and put forward.
But some people are so habituated to a keyboard that they will not take
their hands from it unless they have to. The extremes are the MAColytes
who never touch a keyboard if they can help it and the Unix-ists who
never use anything but a command line. There was one book on Windows XP
that was sent to me for comment (in the hope I think that I would
recommend it). The author advocated having a command prompt window
permanently open on the Desktop: that was enough to stop me even
mentioning the book
 
sqr said:
LONG post snipped...

You know sqr... that's probably one of the best posts about getting old DOS
games running I've seen yet :)

Give that man a jelly baby ;)


Lorne
 
Hey guys:
I am neither a developer or, what might be construed as an expert.
But, I have been building, (for free) computers since Bill
Gates designed "DeskMate".
The thing I try to do when introducing a person to their first computer is;
give them a short lesson the perameters of DOS.
It seems that when a person understands some of what is happening behind the
scenes, (so to speek), They seem to have fewer problems.

Thanks for letting me put in my two cents..
 
[This followup was posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers and a
copy was sent to the cited author.]

radio848 said:
Hey guys:
I am neither a developer or, what might be construed as an expert.
But, I have been building, (for free) computers since Bill
Gates designed "DeskMate".
The thing I try to do when introducing a person to their first computer is;
give them a short lesson the perameters of DOS.
It seems that when a person understands some of what is happening behind the
scenes, (so to speek), They seem to have fewer problems.

Thanks for letting me put in my two cents..

I quite agree that's what SHOULD happen, but a) it usually doesn't and
b) as the versions of Windows progress, the actual underlying DOS gets
less and less - in fact AFAIK there is hardly any dos in XP and I
presume that in Longhorn there won't be ANY.
 
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