Do I need SP2 ?

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Do I really need SP2 ? What does it actually do? I have had nothing but
problems since updating it. My Belkin router doesn't work now, neither does
my Spector Pro5 software for monitoring my kids. Is there really any reason
to keep the SP2 installed? Thanks. Kevin
 
Depends, Kevin.....

As for your listed issues, contact both manufactures (Belkin/Spector). As
for the rest:

Manually Configuring Internet Connection Firewall in Windows XP Service Pack
2
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/columns/cableguy/default.asp

New Networking Features in Microsoft® Windows® XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/columns/cableguy/cg0104.asp

Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tr...et/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/winxpsp2.asp

Windows XP Service Pack 2: A Developer's View
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/securityinxpsp2.asp

Windows XP Service Pack 2 - Technical Preview Program
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/sp2preview.mspx

Release notes for Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;835935

What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx#XSLTsection126121120120

--
All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
 
Nah, 98SE was the best operating system that Microsoft ever made, imo. In
addition, attacks such as Sasser were able to attack weaknesses in XP (NT --
underlying code) and were rendered harmless in 9x systems such as 98SE.

: Do I really need SP2 ? What does it actually do? I have had nothing but
: problems since updating it. My Belkin router doesn't work now, neither
does
: my Spector Pro5 software for monitoring my kids. Is there really any reason
: to keep the SP2 installed? Thanks. Kevin
 
Alpha wrote:
|| ||| I would agree to the utmost as Win98SE being gold......however, the
||| rest came later?
||
||
|| DOS 6.x was gold. Let's retreat to there.

Nah. CP/M
 
Yves said:
No one has mentioned that in April, MS will force SP2 to be
installed.
Click to expand...
Hi

Not really, even if if you have Automatic Updates set to install
automatically, it will only download SP2, but not install it until
the user have accepted the SP2 EULA and then selected "Yes" to
install SP2.

After this download, or if you use Windows Update, you can hide the
SP2 update with "don't show me this update again".

More here:

From: John [MSFT] ([email protected])
Subject: Re: XP SP2
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsupdate
Date: 2005-02-22 11:03:24 PST

<quote>
To clarify even further: Once this block is removed, SP2 will DOWNLOAD in
the background. Once it has downloaded, you will get a pop-up indicating
"You have new updates to install."

You get this EVEN if you have Automatic Updates set to install automatically
at 3am because installing SP2 requires accepting the EULA and displaying
some other UI.

SP2 will NEVER automatically install over AU, just automatically download.
As a user, you then have the OPTION to install or not install. If you don't
want to install, check the box that says "don't show me this update again"
and it won't keep showing up every day, or you can just ignore the note
every day that says you have new updates until you are ready to install. If
you have "automatic scheduled install" enabled, individual security updates
will continue to install automatically each month even if SP2 is showing in
the list of updates to install.

You should NOT disable Automatic Updates or the AU service to avoid SP2; use
the specific checkbox for SP2 so that other updates continue to download
(and hopefully, automatically install).

Hope this helps. I still strongly recommend installing SP2, just wanted to
clarify that it won't automatically install.
</quote>
 
MS will take off the "hide" function of SP2. They will force SP2 after a
date (???) is April.

Torgeir Bakken (MVP) said:
Yves said:
No one has mentioned that in April, MS will force SP2 to be
installed.
Click to expand...
Hi

Not really, even if if you have Automatic Updates set to install
automatically, it will only download SP2, but not install it until
the user have accepted the SP2 EULA and then selected "Yes" to
install SP2.

After this download, or if you use Windows Update, you can hide the
SP2 update with "don't show me this update again".

More here:

From: John [MSFT] ([email protected])
Subject: Re: XP SP2
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsupdate
Date: 2005-02-22 11:03:24 PST

<quote>
To clarify even further: Once this block is removed, SP2 will DOWNLOAD in
the background. Once it has downloaded, you will get a pop-up indicating
"You have new updates to install."

You get this EVEN if you have Automatic Updates set to install
automatically
at 3am because installing SP2 requires accepting the EULA and displaying
some other UI.

SP2 will NEVER automatically install over AU, just automatically download.
As a user, you then have the OPTION to install or not install. If you
don't
want to install, check the box that says "don't show me this update again"
and it won't keep showing up every day, or you can just ignore the note
every day that says you have new updates until you are ready to install.
If
you have "automatic scheduled install" enabled, individual security
updates
will continue to install automatically each month even if SP2 is showing
in
the list of updates to install.

You should NOT disable Automatic Updates or the AU service to avoid SP2;
use
the specific checkbox for SP2 so that other updates continue to download
(and hopefully, automatically install).

Hope this helps. I still strongly recommend installing SP2, just wanted
to
clarify that it won't automatically install.
</quote>


--
torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/default.mspx
Click to expand...
 
AFAIK, Microsoft will be stopping support of the original XP and maybe even
SP1 because of too many critical vulnerabilities associated with the earlier
models of the XP operating system. However, if a user is silly enough to
want to use XP original flavor or XPSP1 I highly doubt Microsoft would stop
them although I highly suggest against using these earlier versions due to
inherent security flaws that any two-bit hacker can target.

: No one has mentioned that in April, MS will force SP2 to be installed.
:
:
: : > Do I really need SP2 ? What does it actually do? I have had nothing but
: > problems since updating it. My Belkin router doesn't work now, neither
: > does
: > my Spector Pro5 software for monitoring my kids. Is there really any
: > reason
: > to keep the SP2 installed? Thanks. Kevin
:
:
 
Do you have a Microsoft article to back up this claim, Yves?

: MS will take off the "hide" function of SP2. They will force SP2 after a
: date (???) is April.
:
: : > Yves Leclerc wrote:
: >
: >> No one has mentioned that in April, MS will force SP2 to be
: >> installed.
: > Hi
: >
: > Not really, even if if you have Automatic Updates set to install
: > automatically, it will only download SP2, but not install it until
: > the user have accepted the SP2 EULA and then selected "Yes" to
: > install SP2.
: >
: > After this download, or if you use Windows Update, you can hide the
: > SP2 update with "don't show me this update again".
: >
: > More here:
: >
: > From: John [MSFT] ([email protected])
: > Subject: Re: XP SP2
: > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsupdate
: > Date: 2005-02-22 11:03:24 PST
: >
: > <quote>
: > To clarify even further: Once this block is removed, SP2 will DOWNLOAD
in
: > the background. Once it has downloaded, you will get a pop-up indicating
: > "You have new updates to install."
: >
: > You get this EVEN if you have Automatic Updates set to install
: > automatically
: > at 3am because installing SP2 requires accepting the EULA and displaying
: > some other UI.
: >
: > SP2 will NEVER automatically install over AU, just automatically
download.
: > As a user, you then have the OPTION to install or not install. If you
: > don't
: > want to install, check the box that says "don't show me this update
again"
: > and it won't keep showing up every day, or you can just ignore the note
: > every day that says you have new updates until you are ready to install.
: > If
: > you have "automatic scheduled install" enabled, individual security
: > updates
: > will continue to install automatically each month even if SP2 is showing
: > in
: > the list of updates to install.
: >
: > You should NOT disable Automatic Updates or the AU service to avoid SP2;
: > use
: > the specific checkbox for SP2 so that other updates continue to download
: > (and hopefully, automatically install).
: >
: > Hope this helps. I still strongly recommend installing SP2, just wanted
: > to
: > clarify that it won't automatically install.
: > </quote>
: >
: >
: > --
: > torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
: > Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
: > the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
: > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/default.mspx
:
:
 
Thanks Kelly and yes the rest did come later and Chris Cquirke, MVP and I are
working to show Microsoft why they need a new underlying maintenance
operating system.

http://cquirke.mvps.org/whatmos.htm

: I would agree to the utmost as Win98SE being gold......however, the rest
: came later?
:
: --
: All the Best,
: Kelly (MS-MVP)
:
: Troubleshooting Windows XP
: http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
:
:
: : > Nah, 98SE was the best operating system that Microsoft ever made, imo.
In
: > addition, attacks such as Sasser were able to attack weaknesses in XP
: > (NT --
: > underlying code) and were rendered harmless in 9x systems such as 98SE.
: >
: > : > : Do I really need SP2 ? What does it actually do? I have had nothing
but
: > : problems since updating it. My Belkin router doesn't work now, neither
: > does
: > : my Spector Pro5 software for monitoring my kids. Is there really any
: > reason
: > : to keep the SP2 installed? Thanks. Kevin
: >
: >
:
:
 
| MS will take off the "hide" function of SP2. They will force SP2 after a
| date (???) is April.

SP2 *will not* install without the user's consent!!!
 
That is incorrect.
See this link for more details:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/forcesp2.htm

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


Yves Leclerc said:
MS will take off the "hide" function of SP2. They will force SP2 after a
date (???) is April.

Torgeir Bakken (MVP) said:
Yves said:
No one has mentioned that in April, MS will force SP2 to be
installed.
Click to expand...
Hi

Not really, even if if you have Automatic Updates set to install
automatically, it will only download SP2, but not install it until
the user have accepted the SP2 EULA and then selected "Yes" to
install SP2.

After this download, or if you use Windows Update, you can hide the
SP2 update with "don't show me this update again".

More here:

From: John [MSFT] ([email protected])
Subject: Re: XP SP2
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsupdate
Date: 2005-02-22 11:03:24 PST

<quote>
To clarify even further: Once this block is removed, SP2 will DOWNLOAD
in
the background. Once it has downloaded, you will get a pop-up indicating
"You have new updates to install."

You get this EVEN if you have Automatic Updates set to install
automatically
at 3am because installing SP2 requires accepting the EULA and displaying
some other UI.

SP2 will NEVER automatically install over AU, just automatically
download.
As a user, you then have the OPTION to install or not install. If you
don't
want to install, check the box that says "don't show me this update
again"
and it won't keep showing up every day, or you can just ignore the note
every day that says you have new updates until you are ready to install.
If
you have "automatic scheduled install" enabled, individual security
updates
will continue to install automatically each month even if SP2 is showing
in
the list of updates to install.

You should NOT disable Automatic Updates or the AU service to avoid SP2;
use
the specific checkbox for SP2 so that other updates continue to download
(and hopefully, automatically install).

Hope this helps. I still strongly recommend installing SP2, just wanted
to
clarify that it won't automatically install.
</quote>


--
torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/default.mspx
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Thanks for clearing the matter up Jupiter. I appreciate the information.

: This is the article:
:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2aumng.mspx
: Parts of this article have recently been taken out of context to show that
: Microsoft will force SP-2 installation on all computers.
:
: Also see;
: http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/forcesp2.htm
:
: --
: Jupiter Jones [MVP]
: http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
:
:
: : > Do you have a Microsoft article to back up this claim, Yves?
: >
: > : > : MS will take off the "hide" function of SP2. They will force SP2 after
: > a
: > : date (???) is April.
:
:
 
Your welcome Dan.
While Microsoft does not always seem to do things the best, this is clearly
an example of bad journalism taking out of context and spreading FUD against
Microsoft.
Unfortunately this is gaining momentum as April 12 approaches.
 
Gordon said:
Alpha wrote:
|| ||| I would agree to the utmost as Win98SE being gold......however, the
||| rest came later?
||
||
|| DOS 6.x was gold. Let's retreat to there.

Nah. CP/M
Click to expand...

Running on a Commodore C64.

Steve
 
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