Diskeeper 7.0 versus Norton Speed Disk

[Thomas]

Under OS WinXP PRO, what would you recommend betwwen Diskeeper 7.0 &
Norton Speed Disk?
I tried both and it seems they defrag in a totaly different mode.
Using Bootvis as well I couldnot make up my mind..
I didnot try the defrag tool included with XP, assuming it is not
good.

 

[Joseph Smitgarten]

The defrag program in XP works fine.

 

[Guest]

----- Joseph Smitgarten wrote: ----

The defrag program in XP works fine

Under OS WinXP PRO, what would you recommend betwwen Diskeeper 7.0 &> Norton Speed Disk
I tried both and it seems they defrag in a totaly different mode
Using Bootvis as well I couldnot make up my mind.
I didnot try the defrag tool included with XP, assuming it is no
good

You can set up Diskeeper to defrag when the screensaver is on,it will take all of three minutes to defrag.That way you will never even have to think about defraggin again.

 

[Peter]

I have Diskeeper Pro and find it great, despite Windows stating periodically
that it isn't compatible with XP (it is) and it runs in the background and
is much faster than Windows Defrag.

----- Joseph Smitgarten wrote: -----

The defrag program in XP works fine.




You can set up Diskeeper to defrag when the screensaver is on,it will take

all of three minutes to defrag.That way you will never even have to think
about defraggin again.

 

[Taffyj]

The defrag program in XP works fine.

I agree Xp defrag is fine, all the others are useless gimics.

 

[Guest]

For your information Diskeeper (Executive Software) in
conjuction with Microsoft created the Windows Degrag
utility... So if I were you I would use Diskeeper.

 

[Bert Smith]

Hi Thomas,
I have both Diskeeper 7.0 SE and Norton Speed Disk (part of NSW 2004.

Diskeeper 7.0 is the better program. However, there are some possible
gotchas:
1.) Make sure that you have build 430 of Diskeeper.
2.) I have found Diskeeper's support for its registered users slow to
respond to some of my queries.
3.) Diskeeper is not able to defrag 2 files of total size 4 GB when there is
40 % free space left on the drive. (These 2 files are the only files on the
drive.)
4.) At times Diskeeper SE build 430 does not recognise the presence of a
page file on my C:\ boot/system drive.
5.) If you get Diskeeper to defrag your page file or MFT tables, make an
image on the drive before you begin! (Murphy's Laws!) Speed Disk can't do
this.

Hope this helps! Please address any replies to the news group. My email
address is false. Bert

 

[Alex Nichol]

Under OS WinXP PRO, what would you recommend betwwen Diskeeper 7.0 &
Norton Speed Disk?
I tried both and it seems they defrag in a totaly different mode.
Using Bootvis as well I couldnot make up my mind..

Norton has not been updated for some years, and has not caught up with
the 'optimisations' possible in XP. Any it tries for itself are
probably counter-productive. So use Diskeeper (or my own preference
having tried both - Perfect Disk). You should not need to use Boot|Vis
more than once, to set up an initial level of optimisation that the
system 'Prefetch' facility and Diskeeper will then fine tune

 

[R. McCarty]

I don't believe that Norton Speed Disk uses the Microsoft API
(Application Program Interface) calls for defragmenting. However,
both Perfect Disk and Diskeeper do. Norton Speed Disk also
doesn't fully implement the Layout.Ini in XP, so it's defragmenting
scheme is very different from other products.

 

[Plato]

I didnot try the defrag tool included with XP, assuming it is not
good.

Please state why exactly, you made that assumption?

 

[Joseph Smitgarten]

Not true. Norton SystemWorks is now at 2004.

Also, here is more info on SpeedDisk that comes with Norton SystemWorks
2003:

Speed Disk for Windows 2000 and Windows XP provides powerful analysis and
optimization tools to maintain peak performance of your hard drives.
Using a combination of defragmentation and optimization, Speed Disk
optimizes all disk elements, including files, directories, the paging file
(Pagefile.sys), the Master File Table (MFT), and meta data, without
rebooting the machine.


..

 

[Alex Nichol]

Speed Disk for Windows 2000 and Windows XP provides powerful analysis and
optimization tools to maintain peak performance of your hard drives.
Using a combination of defragmentation and optimization, Speed Disk
optimizes all disk elements, including files, directories, the paging file
(Pagefile.sys), the Master File Table (MFT), and meta data, without
rebooting the machine.

Which is pure Marketing speak. The very fact that it describes the
product as for 2000 and XP implies that it is not supporting the
methods provided for in XP, and leaves me strongly feeling that its
optimisations are its own idea and probably less than optimal.

 

[Joseph Smitgarten]

Which is pure Marketing speak. The very fact that it describes the
product as for 2000 and XP implies that it is not supporting the
methods provided for in XP, and leaves me strongly feeling that its
optimisations are its own idea and probably less than optimal.

Speed Disk for Windows XP does not use the native Speed Disk driver. Instead
it uses the Microsoft MoveFile API. This results in less functionality and
less thoroughness for Speed Disk, though moves are now handled in a
"Microsoft-approved" manner.

Quoted from:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPOR... SystemWorks 2003&src=sg&pcode=nu&svy=&csm=no

 

[Thomas]

Please state why exactly, you made that assumption?

Because Microsoft never put forward its defrag tool. Instead Diskeeper
is a dedicated tool. But as I've learned thanks to the group that the
XP one was developped with Executive Sofware it changes the prejudice.

About Norton Speedisk, I noted that it takes ages (really!) to defrag
compared to diskeeper.

I guess i will keep on with Diskeeper.

 

[Thomas]

Which is pure Marketing speak. The very fact that it describes the
product as for 2000 and XP implies that it is not supporting the
methods provided for in XP, and leaves me strongly feeling that its
optimisations are its own idea and probably less than optimal.

I made a defrag at the boot with Diskeeper (defrag the Master File
Table (MFT)etc.) I guess i should renew Bootvis ?

 

[Plato]

I made a defrag at the boot with Diskeeper (defrag the Master File
Table (MFT)etc.) I guess i should renew Bootvis ?

From MS:

"Please note that Bootvis.exe is not a tool that will improve
boot/resume performance
for end users. Contrary to some published reports, Bootvis.exe cannot
reduce or alter a system's boot or resume performance."


http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/sysperf/fastboot/BootVis.mspx

 

[Alex Nichol]

I made a defrag at the boot with Diskeeper (defrag the Master File
Table (MFT)etc.) I guess i should renew Bootvis ?

No. BootVis makes a preliminary setting that is likely to be better
than nothing. Then the inbuilt Prefetch system, or Diskeeper or Perfect
Disk will refine on that to give best overall performance, including
taking into account optimising loading of your commonly used programs

Regard BootVis as a one off, immediately after setup, if you can't wait
for the others to do their stuff