Deliberate omission ?

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Two questions for MS Redmond;

How should we understand of missing two important
News Groups from the "Microsoft Communities" N-groups;
News://microsoft.public.windows.vista.internetexplorer
and
News://microsoft.public.windows.vista.outlookexpress

Why Windows Internet Explorer is MUCH slower
than its old predecessor - IE7 is?

In my environment people agreed that Windows Internet Explorer
has a lot of problems. Particularly after all these "updates" which
instead improving functionality of WIE - in fact are slowing it down.

Jdr
 
Jdr said:
Two questions for MS Redmond;

How should we understand of missing two important
News Groups from the "Microsoft Communities" N-groups;
News://microsoft.public.windows.vista.internetexplorer and
News://microsoft.public.windows.vista.outlookexpress
Why Windows Internet Explorer is MUCH slower
than its old predecessor - IE7 is?
In my environment people agreed that Windows Internet Explorer has a lot
of problems. Particularly after all these "updates" which
instead improving functionality of WIE - in fact are slowing it down.

Jdr
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Not sure what your problem is

Outlook Express has been replaced in Windows Vista by Windows Mail - it's
newsgroup is microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail
IE7 is cross operating systems so it's newsgroup is
microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

Personally I have not experienced any problems with IE7 and do not find it
slower then previous versions.
 
Mike Brannigan said:
Not sure what your problem is

Outlook Express has been replaced in Windows Vista by Windows Mail - it's
newsgroup is microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail
IE7 is cross operating systems so it's newsgroup is
microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

Personally I have not experienced any problems with IE7 and do not find it
slower then previous versions.
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Obviously you haven't read the contents of "Microsoft Communities".
My problem is not as much mine as Microsoft's...-;)

Jdr
 
Jdr said:
Obviously you haven't read the contents of "Microsoft Communities".
My problem is not as much mine as Microsoft's...-;)

Jdr
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Obviously you are having problems posing an actual question.

The Windows Mail group is there
Go to
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx
and you will see the link to it
There is NO vista.outlookexpress BECAUSE Vista DOES NOT HAVE Outlook Express
it is replaced with Windows Mail.

On the same page above you will also see the link to the Internet Explorer
newsgroup via the communities page the link to it is actually under the
Mail and Contacts one.

So what exactly is your problem - there are newsgroups for both of the items
you mention accessible either via a newsreader or the communities front end
on Microsoft.com
What particular page or location are you having problems with?[/QUOTE]
 
I strongly agree with Mike's analysis here. It's a major nuisance to get a
group deleted once created, so making another newsgroup redundant to the IE
group would be a major long-term pain. There must be a strong compelling
unique need for any new newsgroup, and those two suggestions don't meet the
bar per Mike's explanations. =)

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Mike Brannigan said:
Obviously you are having problems posing an actual question.

The Windows Mail group is there
Go to
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx
and you will see the link to it
There is NO vista.outlookexpress BECAUSE Vista DOES NOT HAVE Outlook
Express it is replaced with Windows Mail.

On the same page above you will also see the link to the Internet Explorer
newsgroup via the communities page the link to it is actually under the
Mail and Contacts one.

So what exactly is your problem - there are newsgroups for both of the
items you mention accessible either via a newsreader or the communities
front end on Microsoft.com
What particular page or location are you having problems with?
Click to expand...
[/QUOTE]
 
Mike Brannigan said:
Not sure what your problem is

Outlook Express has been replaced in Windows Vista by Windows Mail - it's
newsgroup is microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail
IE7 is cross operating systems so it's newsgroup is
microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

Personally I have not experienced any problems with IE7 and do not find it
slower then previous versions. -- Mike Brannigan
Click to expand...


May be there is a hope...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MICHAEL" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:18 AM
Subject: Windows Live MailMay be there is a hope...

----- Original Message -----
From: "MICHAEL" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:18 AM
Subject: Windows Live Mail


This is interesting:

<quote>
In the coming weeks, Microsoft will also ship a new public beta version of
Windows Live Mail
(Figure), which will work natively with Windows Live Hotmail. I've been
using a beta version of
this Outlook Express/Windows Mail derivative for some time now, and I'll be
reviewing the
product separately once the public beta is available. Here's what's going on
with this
interesting and free new email client. To date, Microsoft has painted a very
complicated story
with its free consumer-oriented email clients. There's Outlook Express in
XP, Windows Mail in
Vista, and now the new Windows Live Mail, which replaces the other two
products and will be the
only one of the three actively developed going forward.

"This is the new client," Richardson told me, "and it's an evolution and
superset of all the
clients that came before. We're cleaning up the consumer client story.
Windows Live Mail is the
marriage of Windows Live services and the desktop, and it's the only client
we're going to
invest in going forward."
</quote>
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winlive_hotmail.asp

Bye, bye Windows Mail. Hello, Windows Live Mail,
and there will be no ads like in WLMD. Bravo!

Not only that, they will soon be releasing a new Outlook Connector that
will allow Outlook users to get their Hotmail for free once again. Bravo!

So, Windows Live Mail and Windows Live Hotmail are where all the
developers have been. It's good to know they were doing something
constructive, cause it certainly wasn't spent on Windows Mail. I hope
Windows Live Mail is an excellent product, I might switch back to it from
Thunderbird. Even though I only used WM for newsgroups, it was just awful.
I use Outlook for email.

Maybe for all those folks who liked "identities" in Outlook Express they'll
have that in the new Windows Live Mail. You never know. Microsoft
surprised
me with this. I just gave them a hard time (again) in a post the other day
about
ads in WLMD and not being able to get your Hotmail for free with their own
email clients.... they must have been reading my posts. ;-)

Here's the press release:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/may07/05-06WLHotmailLaunchPR.mspx

-Michael

This is interesting:

<quote>
In the coming weeks, Microsoft will also ship a new public beta version of
Windows Live Mail
(Figure), which will work natively with Windows Live Hotmail. I've been
using a beta version of
this Outlook Express/Windows Mail derivative for some time now, and I'll be
reviewing the
product separately once the public beta is available. Here's what's going on
with this
interesting and free new email client. To date, Microsoft has painted a very
complicated story
with its free consumer-oriented email clients. There's Outlook Express in
XP, Windows Mail in
Vista, and now the new Windows Live Mail, which replaces the other two
products and will be the
only one of the three actively developed going forward.

"This is the new client," Richardson told me, "and it's an evolution and
superset of all the
clients that came before. We're cleaning up the consumer client story.
Windows Live Mail is the
marriage of Windows Live services and the desktop, and it's the only client
we're going to
invest in going forward."
</quote>
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winlive_hotmail.asp

Bye, bye Windows Mail. Hello, Windows Live Mail,
and there will be no ads like in WLMD. Bravo!

Not only that, they will soon be releasing a new Outlook Connector that
will allow Outlook users to get their Hotmail for free once again. Bravo!

So, Windows Live Mail and Windows Live Hotmail are where all the
developers have been. It's good to know they were doing something
constructive, cause it certainly wasn't spent on Windows Mail. I hope
Windows Live Mail is an excellent product, I might switch back to it from
Thunderbird. Even though I only used WM for newsgroups, it was just awful.
I use Outlook for email.

Maybe for all those folks who liked "identities" in Outlook Express they'll
have that in the new Windows Live Mail. You never know. Microsoft
surprised
me with this. I just gave them a hard time (again) in a post the other day
about
ads in WLMD and not being able to get your Hotmail for free with their own
email clients.... they must have been reading my posts. ;-)

Here's the press release:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/may07/05-06WLHotmailLaunchPR.mspx

-Michael
 
Mike Brannigan said:
Obviously you are having problems posing an actual question.
Click to expand...

Obviously you missed my question. Instead you just assured yourself in
the point known to everyone using Vista:
"There is NO vista.outlookexpress BECAUSE Vista DOES NOT HAVE Outlook
Express "
While my question was, why is Vista slow?

I don't know but may be the answer is here,
http://www.repair-windows-errors.org/speed_up_windows.htm?gclid=CNih5ebFgIwCFRROQwodonq0zA

"No matter if you have Windows 98, Windows 2000,
Windows XP, or Windows Vista it will slow
over times due to a corrupt registry. "

I know that i sounds like commercial, but Vista should
be "SMARTER" than that...-;)

"You need a registry cleaner to overcome this problem.
The Registry Cleaner cleans the registry to free up registry space.
Once it is done, your PC starts running well again.

It is absolutely required that you repair your
Windows registry regularly. Windows errors
leave traces in your registry that will only
hurt your computer in the long run. "

http://www.repair-windows-errors.org/speed_up_windows.htm?gclid=CNih5ebFgIwCFRROQwodonq0zA>> The Windows Mail group is there> Go tohttp://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx> and you will see the link to it> There is NO vista.outlookexpress BECAUSE Vista DOES NOT HAVE OutlookExpress it is replaced with Windows Mail.>> On the same page above you will also see the link to the Internet Explorernewsgroup via the communities page the link to it is actually under theMail and Contacts one.>> So what exactly is your problem - there are newsgroups for both of theitems you mention accessible either via a newsreader or the communitiesfront end on Microsoft.com> What particular page or location are you having problems with?> -->> Mike Brannigan>>>>
 
Jdr said:
Obviously you missed my question. Instead you just assured yourself in
the point known to everyone using Vista:
"There is NO vista.outlookexpress BECAUSE Vista DOES NOT HAVE Outlook
Express "
While my question was, why is Vista slow?

I don't know but may be the answer is here,
http://www.repair-windows-errors.org/speed_up_windows.htm?gclid=CNih5ebFgIwCFRROQwodonq0zA

"No matter if you have Windows 98, Windows 2000,
Windows XP, or Windows Vista it will slow
over times due to a corrupt registry. "

I know that i sounds like commercial, but Vista should
be "SMARTER" than that...-;)

"You need a registry cleaner to overcome this problem.
The Registry Cleaner cleans the registry to free up registry space.
Once it is done, your PC starts running well again.

It is absolutely required that you repair your
Windows registry regularly. Windows errors
leave traces in your registry that will only
hurt your computer in the long run. "

http://www.repair-windows-errors.org/speed_up_windows.htm?gclid=CNih5ebFgIwCFRROQwodonq0zA>>
The Windows Mail group is there> Go
tohttp://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx>
and you will see the link to it> There is NO vista.outlookexpress BECAUSE
Vista DOES NOT HAVE OutlookExpress it is replaced with Windows Mail.>> On
the same page above you will also see the link to the Internet
Explorernewsgroup via the communities page the link to it is actually
under theMail and Contacts one.>> So what exactly is your problem - there
are newsgroups for both of theitems you mention accessible either via a
newsreader or the communitiesfront end on Microsoft.com> What particular
page or location are you having problems with?> -->> Mike Brannigan>>>>
Click to expand...

jdr,

I have never used a registry cleaner. My Windows XP Pro system was
established on day 1 of its availability. It was always maintained with
automatic updates, anti-virus programs with automatic updates, etc. It was
used four to five hours daily over the years.

We in our computer club used to debate the issue. We have found that, in
general, they do more harm than good.
 
Jdr said:
Obviously you missed my question. Instead you just assured yourself in
the point known to everyone using Vista:
"There is NO vista.outlookexpress BECAUSE Vista DOES NOT HAVE Outlook
Express "
While my question was, why is Vista slow?

I don't know but may be the answer is here,
http://www.repair-windows-errors.org/speed_up_windows.htm?gclid=CNih5ebFgIwCFRROQwodonq0zA

"No matter if you have Windows 98, Windows 2000,
Windows XP, or Windows Vista it will slow
over times due to a corrupt registry. "

I know that i sounds like commercial, but Vista should
be "SMARTER" than that...-;)

"You need a registry cleaner to overcome this problem.
The Registry Cleaner cleans the registry to free up registry space.
Once it is done, your PC starts running well again.

It is absolutely required that you repair your
Windows registry regularly. Windows errors
leave traces in your registry that will only
hurt your computer in the long run. "

http://www.repair-windows-errors.org/speed_up_windows.htm?gclid=CNih5ebFgIwCFRROQwodonq0zA>>
The Windows Mail group is there> Go
tohttp://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx>
and you will see the link to it> There is NO vista.outlookexpress BECAUSE
Vista DOES NOT HAVE OutlookExpress it is replaced with Windows Mail.>> On
the same page above you will also see the link to the Internet
Explorernewsgroup via the communities page the link to it is actually
under theMail and Contacts one.>> So what exactly is your problem - there
are newsgroups for both of theitems you mention accessible either via a
newsreader or the communitiesfront end on Microsoft.com> What particular
page or location are you having problems with?> -->> Mike Brannigan>>>>
Click to expand...

You asked TWO questions - both of which I answered.

Your first post started with "Two questions for MS Redmond;" - one about
what your erroneously thought were "Missing" newsgroups
You second issues was related to IE. Personally I have not found it
slower.
The advice you list about about so called registry corruption is nonsense.
The registry does not corrupt or degrade over time.
Registry cleaners are in my opinion pointless. Applications and the OS look
for specific keys for values from the registry. If a poorly written
application when uninstalled leaves keys then these have no impact on the
remaining applications or OS who will not be making calls to these keys.
In the significant time I have been using deploying and developing for
Windows I have never had any form of registry corruption or had any reason
to use one of these so called "cleaners", ever.
 
Charles W Davis said:
jdr,

I have never used a registry cleaner. My Windows XP Pro system was
established on day 1 of its availability. It was always maintained with
automatic updates, anti-virus programs with automatic updates, etc. It was
used four to five hours daily over the years.

We in our computer club used to debate the issue. We have found that, in
general, they do more harm than good.
Click to expand...


Charles,

Entirely agree with you. Not to mention that I installed Vista
only two month ago and I'm not downloading anything for
obvious reasons - compatibility. None the less my Vista
Beta ran faster than Full version of Vista Ult. on the same PC.
That I fund it very strange.

Jdr
 
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