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Joseph Carrier

I'm still trying to solve a File-Sharing problem and have eliminated the
Firewall as a problem. I thought I read somewhere in this newsgroup that
having a different default browser on two machines may prevent a
file-sharing network from working properly. Is that the case?

If it is, I have a second question: How does one select a browser to be the
"default?" I've tried but been unable to make the two machines to have the
same default browser; one is now set at IE6 and the other is set at Firefox.
I've been tinkering with both machines and can't seem get it right.

I would like to experiment with setting IE6 as the default browser on both
machines. Would some kind reader of this note please post a step-by-step
procedure for getting this done?

Many thanks,
Joseph Carrier
 
I'm still trying to solve a File-Sharing problem and have eliminated the
Firewall as a problem. I thought I read somewhere in this newsgroup that
having a different default browser on two machines may prevent a
file-sharing network from working properly. Is that the case?

If it is, I have a second question: How does one select a browser to be the
"default?" I've tried but been unable to make the two machines to have the
same default browser; one is now set at IE6 and the other is set at Firefox.
I've been tinkering with both machines and can't seem get it right.

I would like to experiment with setting IE6 as the default browser on both
machines. Would some kind reader of this note please post a step-by-step
procedure for getting this done?

Many thanks,
Joseph Carrier

Joseph,

What you're talking about is a master browser. Having 2 master browsers in a
workgroup is like having 2 bosses in a company. Some servers report to one
master browser, and some to another. Depending upon which client you're on
(viewing Network Neighborhood from), you'll see the various servers that report
to the master browser that the client uses.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html

Please don't confuse the browser subsystem (which populates Network
Neighborhood) with the program used for surfing the web. Those are 2 different
functions.

Anyway, if you're having a file sharing problem, provide some detail about the
problem.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial.html

Or try diagnosing the problem.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html
 
(Sorry -- I pushed the wrong button and this reply did not go to the Group,
as I had intended so I am now repeating it here.

Thanks. I had thought that was referring to the Internet browsers, and I
guess it did not (I use two: Firefox and IE6.)

Here's my setup and the problem:

Three WinXP SP2 (Home Edition) computers connected (directly) into an ADSL
router. This works. The two laptops are connected wirelessly and the
desktop is connected with an Ethernet cable.

A File Sharing network is set up on all three computers. This does not
work. The two laptops see each other but not the desktop. The desktop
cannot see the two laptops.

I think I've eliminated a Firewall as the problem. The same file-sharing
problem persists with no firewall functioning at all -- even after
uninstalling the AVG Firewall on my desktop and reconfiguring the
file-sharing network on all three machines. (The two laptops use only the
Windows Firewall.)

I'm completely stumped. Everything worked for months until a couple of
weeks ago. The only significant thing I changed in the system before the
Desktop dropped from the view of the two laptops was to install the Google
Earth program, fiddle with to try to get it to connect to the Google Serve,
failed with that, and then uninstalled the new Google Earth program. I
think something done in that whole process might possibly have messed up my
previously working file-sharing network.

This may be a clue: I tried "repairing" the "LAN or high speed internet"
connection on my desktop, but that raised the error message that it couldn't
finish the repair because 'cannot clear the DNS Cache.' I don't know if
that's significant or what to do about it.

Would appreciate suggestions about what to look for now.
 
(Sorry -- I pushed the wrong button and this reply did not go to the Group,
as I had intended so I am now repeating it here.

Thanks. I had thought that was referring to the Internet browsers, and I
guess it did not (I use two: Firefox and IE6.)

Here's my setup and the problem:

Three WinXP SP2 (Home Edition) computers connected (directly) into an ADSL
router. This works. The two laptops are connected wirelessly and the
desktop is connected with an Ethernet cable.

A File Sharing network is set up on all three computers. This does not
work. The two laptops see each other but not the desktop. The desktop
cannot see the two laptops.

I think I've eliminated a Firewall as the problem. The same file-sharing
problem persists with no firewall functioning at all -- even after
uninstalling the AVG Firewall on my desktop and reconfiguring the
file-sharing network on all three machines. (The two laptops use only the
Windows Firewall.)

I'm completely stumped. Everything worked for months until a couple of
weeks ago. The only significant thing I changed in the system before the
Desktop dropped from the view of the two laptops was to install the Google
Earth program, fiddle with to try to get it to connect to the Google Serve,
failed with that, and then uninstalled the new Google Earth program. I
think something done in that whole process might possibly have messed up my
previously working file-sharing network.

This may be a clue: I tried "repairing" the "LAN or high speed internet"
connection on my desktop, but that raised the error message that it couldn't
finish the repair because 'cannot clear the DNS Cache.' I don't know if
that's significant or what to do about it.

Would appreciate suggestions about what to look for now.

Joseph,

Provide relevant data here, and we'll diagnose the problem.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html
 
Thanks for the suggestions.

Unfortunately the URL references in your response tend lose me as I try to
progress from one to the other. By now, I have several file-folders of
printouts from your Blog. I've studied all of them carefully without
getting any closer to understanding my problem -- indeed, I may have become
even more confused.

For example, with respect to your Usenet posting and Blogs on "Browsers," I
still don't understand whether or not my using two internet browsers (IE6
and Firefox,) has any relevance to my file-sharing networking problem.

Let me refer explicitly to one of the many sections of your blog that I've
studied: Chuck's Network Irregularities in Workgroup Visibility:" While
trying to follow your instructions there, I've progressed as follows:

1. I've pretty well eliminated a personal firewall as part of the problem by
working with the software company that provides my firewall (Grisom>) and
the problem persists whether or not I have any Firewall.

2. I don't know how to go about checking for an "anonymous access block."
Any hints?

3. I've studied the "ipconfig/all" outputs of the three Work Group
computers and the one for my desktop looks very strange indeed -- especially
in contrast the output of the two laptops. But, I really don't know how to
interpret what I see. What do you suggest I do then: post on this Usenet
forum the whole ipconfig/all reports for the desktop and ask "What's wrong
(if anything) with this?"

I haven't yet gotten to the download "browstat" part because I'm almost
certain that I'll run into the same road blocks as I have with the
"ipconfig/all" report: I won't know how to interpret the report or how to
frame questions about it.

I'm convinced that you're very knowledgeable, but I'm afraid you're way over
the head of even the long-time, typical, computer user.

What is your suggestion for me, given the above? Be polite, now!
 
Thanks for the suggestions.

Unfortunately the URL references in your response tend lose me as I try to
progress from one to the other. By now, I have several file-folders of
printouts from your Blog. I've studied all of them carefully without
getting any closer to understanding my problem -- indeed, I may have become
even more confused.

For example, with respect to your Usenet posting and Blogs on "Browsers," I
still don't understand whether or not my using two internet browsers (IE6
and Firefox,) has any relevance to my file-sharing networking problem.

Let me refer explicitly to one of the many sections of your blog that I've
studied: Chuck's Network Irregularities in Workgroup Visibility:" While
trying to follow your instructions there, I've progressed as follows:

1. I've pretty well eliminated a personal firewall as part of the problem by
working with the software company that provides my firewall (Grisom>) and
the problem persists whether or not I have any Firewall.

2. I don't know how to go about checking for an "anonymous access block."
Any hints?

3. I've studied the "ipconfig/all" outputs of the three Work Group
computers and the one for my desktop looks very strange indeed -- especially
in contrast the output of the two laptops. But, I really don't know how to
interpret what I see. What do you suggest I do then: post on this Usenet
forum the whole ipconfig/all reports for the desktop and ask "What's wrong
(if anything) with this?"

I haven't yet gotten to the download "browstat" part because I'm almost
certain that I'll run into the same road blocks as I have with the
"ipconfig/all" report: I won't know how to interpret the report or how to
frame questions about it.

I'm convinced that you're very knowledgeable, but I'm afraid you're way over
the head of even the long-time, typical, computer user.

What is your suggestion for me, given the above? Be polite, now!

OK, Joseph,

This is Usenet. My personal motto is "If you don't get flamed at least monthly,
you're not really here". But I will be polite and not flame you. ;-)

Now then, a lot of the help that I do is through my website, which is basically
one big interlinked hypertext document. I started it a long time ago, from just
3 articles, which comprised 90% of the help that I was providing online.

One of those original articles was about the browser. The browser is a Windows
subsystem, that does nothing but run in the background, and provide the contents
of Network Neighborhood (aka My Network Places). When I talk about your LAN,
and your browser problems, please don't confuse that with Internet Explorer and
Firefox - this is not the same subject at all.

I will try and give you advice more specific to your problem, without just
throwing you a lot of links, but the links that I do provide will be point to
essential diagnostics and procedures which will help you, or help you to help me
to help you. So I will seriously ask that you read at least each individual
article that I provide to you, and follow links where you can. Help Me To Help
You.

Of the many articles that I've written, the "Irregularities..." article was
written the most recently, and condenses all of the first post advice that I
have provided to date, for people reporting browser related symptoms. Of that
article, Step 1, the firewall, is probably the absolutely most common resolution
for problems experienced in this and similar forums. Step2, the anonymous
access restriction, is a registry setting that was recently (probably) caused by
a Microsoft update, though nobody (including Microsoft) has offered any
suggestions about what specific update caused it.

If you're absolutely certain that you don't have a firewall problem, fine.
We'll move on. The first thing I will ask for is "browstat status" and
"ipconfig /all" from each computer, per steps 3 and 4, and follow the links
there.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html

Please, follow the links; the information that will answer most of your
questions is all there, for many of your questions have already been asked by
those that have been helped here in the past. I do rewrite the content
frequently, based upon additional questions from folks like you, but you have to
read the content and ask questions first. Help Me To Help You.
 
Thanks for the suggestions.

Unfortunately the URL references in your response tend lose me as I try to
progress from one to the other. By now, I have several file-folders of
printouts from your Blog. I've studied all of them carefully without
getting any closer to understanding my problem -- indeed, I may have become
even more confused.

For example, with respect to your Usenet posting and Blogs on "Browsers," I
still don't understand whether or not my using two internet browsers (IE6
and Firefox,) has any relevance to my file-sharing networking problem.

Let me refer explicitly to one of the many sections of your blog that I've
studied: Chuck's Network Irregularities in Workgroup Visibility:" While
trying to follow your instructions there, I've progressed as follows:

1. I've pretty well eliminated a personal firewall as part of the problem by
working with the software company that provides my firewall (Grisom>) and
the problem persists whether or not I have any Firewall.

2. I don't know how to go about checking for an "anonymous access block."
Any hints?

3. I've studied the "ipconfig/all" outputs of the three Work Group
computers and the one for my desktop looks very strange indeed -- especially
in contrast the output of the two laptops. But, I really don't know how to
interpret what I see. What do you suggest I do then: post on this Usenet
forum the whole ipconfig/all reports for the desktop and ask "What's wrong
(if anything) with this?"

I haven't yet gotten to the download "browstat" part because I'm almost
certain that I'll run into the same road blocks as I have with the
"ipconfig/all" report: I won't know how to interpret the report or how to
frame questions about it.

I'm convinced that you're very knowledgeable, but I'm afraid you're way over
the head of even the long-time, typical, computer user.

What is your suggestion for me, given the above? Be polite, now!

Joseph,

From reading your other thread "How to Clean DSN Cache?", it appears that your
immediate problem is the presence of IPV6 aka Teredo Tunneling on your
computers. Please start by removing that. Instructions are in this article:
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/fix-network-problems-but-clean-up.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/fix-network-problems-but-clean-up.html
 
Many thanks. I've now gone through, very carefully, the instructions in
your "But Clean Up The Protocol Stack First" for both the desktop and my
traveling laptop (I'm going to leave my wife's laptop out of this to reduce
the work a bit.

The ipconfig/all on the two computers now differ only slightly:

Under Windows IP Configuration:
Each computer has its own computer name as the Host Name.
"Node Type" on the desktop is "unknown" and on the laptop it is
"Mixed."
IP Routing enabled and Win Proxy enable is "no" on both computers.

The Network Connection description on the desktop is "Intel Pro/q00 UE
Network Connection" and on the laptop it's "NETGEAR WG511 54 Mbps Wireless
PC Connection." the physical address is different on the two machines,
which I guess is to be expected.

"Dhcp Enabled" and "Autoconfiguration Enabled" is yes on both machines.

The IP address on the two machines differs by four in the last digit.

"Default Gateway," "DHCP Server," and "DNS Servers." are the same on the
two machines. "DNS Servers."

I can ping the desktop from the laptop, but cannot ping the laptop from the
desktop.

I guess I'm imposing, but I'm very old, slow, and forgetful, thus greatly in
need of reassurance, so I'll ask the following questions now:
Does anything in the above look anomalous to you?
Would you confirm for me the URL for the PChuck Blog which explains
my next step?

Thanks again.
 
Many thanks. I've now gone through, very carefully, the instructions in
your "But Clean Up The Protocol Stack First" for both the desktop and my
traveling laptop (I'm going to leave my wife's laptop out of this to reduce
the work a bit.

The ipconfig/all on the two computers now differ only slightly:

Under Windows IP Configuration:
Each computer has its own computer name as the Host Name.
"Node Type" on the desktop is "unknown" and on the laptop it is
"Mixed."
IP Routing enabled and Win Proxy enable is "no" on both computers.

The Network Connection description on the desktop is "Intel Pro/q00 UE
Network Connection" and on the laptop it's "NETGEAR WG511 54 Mbps Wireless
PC Connection." the physical address is different on the two machines,
which I guess is to be expected.

"Dhcp Enabled" and "Autoconfiguration Enabled" is yes on both machines.

The IP address on the two machines differs by four in the last digit.

"Default Gateway," "DHCP Server," and "DNS Servers." are the same on the
two machines. "DNS Servers."

I can ping the desktop from the laptop, but cannot ping the laptop from the
desktop.

I guess I'm imposing, but I'm very old, slow, and forgetful, thus greatly in
need of reassurance, so I'll ask the following questions now:
Does anything in the above look anomalous to you?
Would you confirm for me the URL for the PChuck Blog which explains
my next step?

Thanks again.

Joseph,

So what you're saying (and please verify each statement):
1) You did have IPV6 on one or more computers. If so, which ones?
2) You did remove IPV6 on each computer that it was on, per my article.
3) The symptoms are unchanged. If changed, what specifically is different?

After you verify each of the above, please continue with my initial article, and
provide "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all" from each computer, unedited and
unmunged in any way.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html

Since your wife's laptop is on the network, it should be considered as part of
the problem. We will need to include it in the testing, if only as a control.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial.html#Four>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial.html#Four
 
After reading about it in PChuck's Network, I downloaded and installed a
Support Tools Folder from the Microsoft web site so that I might use
Browstat.

I have a feeling that Support Tools are not meant to be used with the Home
Edition of Win XP SP2. In fact , its description at the MS web site seems
to suggest it's intended only for the Pro Edition.

Browstat wasn't among the list of tools in the folder I downloaded -- I
guess that's because at some point during the installation I neglected to
click on the right selection to get the complete set of tools.

When I went to the "All Programs" listing to check out the Support Tools
folder, I clicked on it and then clicked on third item in the folder:
"command window" That resulted in a full black screen that I was able to
get out of only by resorting to the <CTRL><ALT><DEL> salute.

I then went directly to Control Panel and uninstalled it. I'm beginning to
see signs of system corruption that may be the result of installing many
complicated and unfamiliar diagnostic programs recommended by technicians --
especially the ones at Grisom's AVG Firewall. One minor but weird example
is that "My Network Places" has now stopped appearing in the first display
after clicking on "START." (from overuse, maybe??)

Do you have a URL for a web page that will let me download "Browstat.exe" by
itself? I tried the web site of neighbor Stanford, (it was listed in
results of a Google search on "Browstat.") but that site doesn't provide a
download.
 
After reading about it in PChuck's Network, I downloaded and installed a
Support Tools Folder from the Microsoft web site so that I might use
Browstat.

I have a feeling that Support Tools are not meant to be used with the Home
Edition of Win XP SP2. In fact , its description at the MS web site seems
to suggest it's intended only for the Pro Edition.

Browstat wasn't among the list of tools in the folder I downloaded -- I
guess that's because at some point during the installation I neglected to
click on the right selection to get the complete set of tools.

When I went to the "All Programs" listing to check out the Support Tools
folder, I clicked on it and then clicked on third item in the folder:
"command window" That resulted in a full black screen that I was able to
get out of only by resorting to the <CTRL><ALT><DEL> salute.

I then went directly to Control Panel and uninstalled it. I'm beginning to
see signs of system corruption that may be the result of installing many
complicated and unfamiliar diagnostic programs recommended by technicians --
especially the ones at Grisom's AVG Firewall. One minor but weird example
is that "My Network Places" has now stopped appearing in the first display
after clicking on "START." (from overuse, maybe??)

Do you have a URL for a web page that will let me download "Browstat.exe" by
itself? I tried the web site of neighbor Stanford, (it was listed in
results of a Google search on "Browstat.") but that site doesn't provide a
download.

Joseph,

<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html
For more information, read the Microsoft article Troubleshooting the Microsoft
Computer Browser Service. There you will find a link to the Microsoft Support
Tools package, which includes Browstat.

If you want just Browstat, it's available on the web from various independent
sources, Dynawell, or from Stanford, for instance.
# http://www.dynawell.com/reskit/microsoft/win2000/browstat.zip
# http://rescomp.stanford.edu/staff/manual/rcc/tools/browstat.zip

I just checked both Dynawell and Stanford, and both download fine. They do
download fairly quickly, so you may need to check wherever you download, because
even with my slooow DSL, it's a small file, and downloads without any progress
bar.
 
This thread is getting very long and I've made so many mistakes in the past
two weeks that my desktop system seemed of the verge of crashing. So, I
decided to restore my system to a date in mid October when everything --
were working well together -- even the file and printer sharing network and
the Grisom AVG Firewall.

After finishing the restore, I discovered that the changes I made yesterday,
following the procedures in PChuck's "Clean Up The Protocol Stack First,"
had survived the restore process, but then, so did my problem.

I'm going to try to find a technician locally who will do a hands-on job of
examining and perhaps even solving my problem. The only further thing I now
dare try by myself is try reconfiguring the file-sharing configuration
using the Configuration Wizard and experiment with giving different answers
to the Wizard questions about my connections to the internet. I now don't
even remember how I had answered them originally when I got the file-sharing
to work beautifully.

Thanks for your help. I've learned a lot, though obviously not enough to
solve the problem or avoid destabilizing my computer system.
 
This thread is getting very long and I've made so many mistakes in the past
two weeks that my desktop system seemed of the verge of crashing. So, I
decided to restore my system to a date in mid October when everything --
were working well together -- even the file and printer sharing network and
the Grisom AVG Firewall.

After finishing the restore, I discovered that the changes I made yesterday,
following the procedures in PChuck's "Clean Up The Protocol Stack First,"
had survived the restore process, but then, so did my problem.

I'm going to try to find a technician locally who will do a hands-on job of
examining and perhaps even solving my problem. The only further thing I now
dare try by myself is try reconfiguring the file-sharing configuration
using the Configuration Wizard and experiment with giving different answers
to the Wizard questions about my connections to the internet. I now don't
even remember how I had answered them originally when I got the file-sharing
to work beautifully.

Thanks for your help. I've learned a lot, though obviously not enough to
solve the problem or avoid destabilizing my computer system.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Joseph,

Actually, the length of this thread is nowhere near the record that I've
participated in (and still less near the record that I've seen), but if you want
to bail, it's your call.

Please do let us know how it works out for you. And, if the tech finds anything
of interest, and avoids a system rebuild, what you learn may help others here,
so provide details please.

Glad you learned something. That is the purpose of this forum (and why I'm
here). He who is finished with learning is finished with living.
 
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