Chris Pirillo> Vista is frustrating!

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nick said:
See vid

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the first 4 minutes of this video clearly defines probably 90% of the
complaints in this forum, a concept totally lost on 100% of the zombies
here.
 
the first 4 minutes of this video clearly defines probably 90% of the
complaints in this forum, a concept totally lost on 100% of the zombies
here.
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That the problems are software companies who haven't updated their
programs, hardware manufacturers who haven't updated drivers and THICK
SHIT USERS WHO EXPECT IT TO BE THE SAME AS XP.
 
I miss Call for Help and Screen Savers on TechTV. G4 is a joke, though
Attack of the Show is sometimes watchable.
 
nick said:
See vid

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What a buffoon. Do people actually watch this drivel and take it seriously?
If this is a recognized Windoze guru, it's no wonder there are so many
Wintards out there.

Cheers.
 
Adam Leinss said:
Thanks, my response to his article is detailed at
http://www.leinss.com/blog/?p=126

Basically, his FUD centers around the crappy software and hardware he
uses.
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Here is why I said the video was a good one (although of course about 50
minutes too long).

Chris never said Vista was a bad OS...
he simply stated that it did not work for him...due to his apps. and his
hardware.

The Vista argument has now turned into the same argument the Linux folks
have been saying all along in that
Linux is a good OS (I agree) but if the hardware support is not there...it's
the fault of the H/W mfgs. (true)

The bottom line is that the operating system is a tool.

So if your Phillips-head screw driver (XP) works great with all your
Phillips head screws (XP supported hw)...
and even if Torx (Vista) may be better. Might as well keep uisng your
Phillips-head screw driver until you've used up
all your screws.

I don't think Chris Pirillo was knocking Vista...and I'm sure if you are
starting out with
all new equipment etc...it's a fine way to go.

OTOH: I think XP did a better job with backward compatibility than Vista...
but that's progress for you.
 
lets see what you will say when I talk about crappy vista... lol

He cant say much... MS will sick their grey suits on him....
 
Chris wanted vista to rock.... I can assure you, as I did....
Vista has been a huge dissapointment for us geeks,
that always like to have the latest and greatest first....

But you cant do that with vista.

I must however tell you something that's on that video that kinda
makes his complaints not so well based.

He said that going to XP was easy with no problem at all.
HOWEVER, he moved from Win2000 to XP.
That transition is easy because they use the same drivers...
he had time to solve all the small problems.
If he was going from win98 to windowsXP then he would have had more
problems.
However my personal experience was from win98 to XP and I can tell you
I was the happiest man in the world to leave the buggy unstable OS called
win98.
XP was stable as a rock... and I was hitting my head on the wall, asking
myself
why didnt I go to windows 2000 ??? I was stupid... but MS did not market
win2k
as an OS for general use.

Now you can say... that vista should only be an improvment upon XP...
why all the hardware compatibilitiy problems? I really dont know.. this was
something
I did not expect.... they should had done other improvments that would not
break
drivers... sorry.... thats my opinion.

I can think of a BILLION of things they could have fixed on vista to make it
better, and not even
have to touch anything that would break compatibility.

Unfortunatly they fixed only ONE of the billion of things I would want to
see improved upon XP....

lol.... vista is a mess....full of problems that are built in to it... the
design is bad as I will prove in the near future once and for all.
 
The operating system should facilitate the user to accomplish whatever
tasks that he desires. Vista should not have been released until it could
accomplish exactly that. The security should have been transparent to the
user, accomplishing its tasks in the background. A single password,
similar to linux, should have been sufficient to accomplish administrative
tasks. Once you sign in with the password, you can than do what needs to
be done. You need a guardian, not a mother-in-law. The only thing that
is thick, shit is the Vista operating system.



On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:08:41 +0000, Conor wrote:
 
Chris wanted vista to rock.... I can assure you, as I did....
Vista has been a huge dissapointment for us geeks,
that always like to have the latest and greatest first....

But you cant do that with vista.

I must however tell you something that's on that video that kinda
makes his complaints not so well based.

He said that going to XP was easy with no problem at all.
HOWEVER, he moved from Win2000 to XP.
That transition is easy because they use the same drivers...
he had time to solve all the small problems.
If he was going from win98 to windowsXP then he would have had more
problems.
However my personal experience was from win98 to XP and I can tell you
I was the happiest man in the world to leave the buggy unstable OS called
win98.
XP was stable as a rock... and I was hitting my head on the wall, asking
myself
why didnt I go to windows 2000 ??? I was stupid... but MS did not market
win2k
as an OS for general use.

Now you can say... that vista should only be an improvment upon XP...
why all the hardware compatibilitiy problems? I really dont know.. this was
something
I did not expect.... they should had done other improvments that would not
break
drivers... sorry.... thats my opinion.

I can think of a BILLION of things they could have fixed on vista to make it
better, and not even
have to touch anything that would break compatibility.

Unfortunatly they fixed only ONE of the billion of things I would want to
see improved upon XP....

lol.... vista is a mess....full of problems that are built in to it... the
design is bad as I will prove in the near future once and for all.
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I started with win95 and knowing nothing...really liked it.
Soon enough I got a digital camera and had to transfer data using the serial
port.
That was way too slow and the camera supported USB...
so I reluctantly upgraded to win98.

I thought the upgrade worth-while because USB was a fantastic improvement!

After a few years with Win98...though it worked well enough...I really got
tired of the
system crashing...so moved over to Win2k (clean install)

Again...another fantastic improvement...no more crashing...
that was 5 years ago and I'm on my win2k machine right now.

Eventually got a better machine to some audio/video work and went with XP.
A few nice improvements and an *excellent* driver base. All-in all...a good
OS.

Vista is a whole new scenario however.
The plateau effect.

No dramatic improvement seen.
 
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:08:41 +0000, Conor wrote:



The operating system should facilitate the user to accomplish whatever
tasks that he desires. Vista should not have been released until it could
accomplish exactly that.
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It has. It's the folks who write drivers that are the biggest problem.
They don't work for Microsoft.
The security should have been transparent to the
user, accomplishing its tasks in the background. A single password,
similar to linux, should have been sufficient to accomplish administrative
tasks. Once you sign in with the password, you can than do what needs to
be done. You need a guardian, not a mother-in-law.
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That I agree. UAC is an unnecessary POS. A Mac OS X/Linux "sudo"
like way would have been vastly superior AND easier.
The only thing thatis thick, shit is the Vista operating system.
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The OS, Lazy-ass software people at hardware companies and to a lesser
extent, Users.

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Didn't I also see him on "Beauty and the Geek"?
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Nope. Wrong guy.

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Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com

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What a buffoon. Do people actually watch this drivel and take it seriously?
If this is a recognized Windoze guru, it's no wonder there are so many
Wintards out there.
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He's also got a Linux site.

http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/linux

WTF are you doing here anyway?

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See vid

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I commented on the video. I said.

I commented on the video. I said.:


"Dear Chris,

I take it you don't have any video editing software (or any
that works on Vista).

I agree with most all of the points you made, but this video
went on for about 40-45 minutes too long.

Invest in some video editing software and use it."

Vista isn't for everyone and I had the benefit of having been using it
since Beta 2.

Before I purchased it, I already knew it was compatible with my
hardware and (mostly) worked with my software (at least the important
stuff anyway).

That coupled with the stuff I really like in Vista (Search, Aero
Glass, "open in folder" in the context menu. and the overall look
(VASTLY improved over anything done previously).

And besides, I like living on the edge. More often than not, when I'm
running Linux, I'm running an alpha/beta version of a given Distro
(most recently, Ubuntu).
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Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
NOTICE: In-Newsgroup (and therefore off-topic) comments on my sig will
be cheerfully ignored, so don't waste our time.
 
Chris never said Vista was a bad OS...
he simply stated that it did not work for him...due to his apps.
and his hardware.
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Oh come now! He had a sexy headline "Windows Vista: I'm Breaking Up
with You" which would suggest a problem exists with Vista. However,
the problem is not with Vista, but his manufacturer's support of
Vista. "Windows Vista: Vendors are Slow to Support Old Hardware &
Software" just didn't sound as cool.

What he posted about is nothing new. From Windows 98 to Windows 2000
and Windows 2000 to Windows XP and now from Windows XP to Windows
Vista, check the news groups archives: it's all been said before.
There's also a Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor that's available as a
free download he could have ran. He took the Vista plunge, ran into
problems and then declared to the world that:

"I stand by my original assertion that the shipping version of this
OS is late beta"

Because his scanner and IPFAX software doesn't work? Please! Apple
has consistently broke compatibility of their applications between OS
upgrades. The only way to run "classic" applications, applications
made before OS X, is to use "Classic" mode which sounds just like
VMWare:

http://www.technologyevangelist.com/2006/05/how_much_abuse_is_an.html

I guess Mr. Pirillo won't be buying an Apple computer any time soon!
The Vista argument has now turned into the same argument the Linux
folks have been saying all along in that
Linux is a good OS (I agree) but if the hardware support is not
there...it's the fault of the H/W mfgs. (true)
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Microsoft has poured billions of dollars into Windows and has some of
the best talent plugging away at the code. The Windows 2000 code
that leaked on the Internet was reviewed by several people and it was
claimed to be quite good: commented, tight, concise.

Linux doesn't have the funding that Microsoft has; the closest thing
they have is Novell, but I don't see a bunch of companies lining up
to do the switch. Many of these same companies have ditched Novell
and went to Microsoft to save on licensing costs.
I don't think Chris Pirillo was knocking Vista...and I'm sure if
you are starting out with
all new equipment etc...it's a fine way to go.
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Of course he was. I think he was looking to increase his web site
hit count. He's probably running Windows Vista right now and
laughing at the monitor reading this.

Adam
 
Vista is a whole new scenario however.
The plateau effect.

No dramatic improvement seen.
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Is this is the same philo from execpc.general? I think I remember you
from years back! I grew up with Windows since version 3.1 and I've
used every version since then. You have a point: Windows has matured
greatly since version 1.0. At least from the IT deployment side,
Windows Vista is a big jump over Windows 2000/XP.

Vista is really Windows 2000 all dressed up. However, it's the OS you
want to run because all the new applications will start requiring it.
There's even a new MSU installer format...expect to see patches coming
as MSU files instead of EXE files.

Adam
 
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