Can I create a network without a hub/switch or router? I mean, 3 PC and 3 net cards.

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The situation is this: I have a PC with cable modem connected via a
long inverted or crossed over, I don't know how this UTP cable layout
is called, it's when both endings are different and you use them to
connect 2 PC. Anyway, this cable goes to my moms PC and she enjoys
Internet thanks to my connection.

I'm going to add a 3rd, slower computer, to use as a always on server,
so the cable modem is going there, as is the other network card in
which the modem connects.
So my question is, if I add a 3rd network card to this server PC, can I
use 2 inverted cables to connect to the other 2 clients PC?
The server is gonna be windows 98 SE, one PC is win 98 SE too and mine,
the best, is XP. I do this because I don't wanna keep mine always on,
so please, don't try to convince me to use the best as a server... ITS
A NOOO

The idea behind this is to save me from paying the HUB.
Please, don't tell me they are not THAT expensive. I rather save the
money for something else.
Any ideas about how to do this, greatly appreciated.
 
Starriol said:
The situation is this: I have a PC with cable modem connected via a
long inverted or crossed over, I don't know how this UTP cable layout
is called, it's when both endings are different and you use them to
connect 2 PC. Anyway, this cable goes to my moms PC and she enjoys
Internet thanks to my connection.

I'm going to add a 3rd, slower computer, to use as a always on server,
so the cable modem is going there, as is the other network card in
which the modem connects.
So my question is, if I add a 3rd network card to this server PC, can I
use 2 inverted cables to connect to the other 2 clients PC?
The server is gonna be windows 98 SE, one PC is win 98 SE too and mine,
the best, is XP. I do this because I don't wanna keep mine always on,
so please, don't try to convince me to use the best as a server... ITS
A NOOO

The idea behind this is to save me from paying the HUB.
Please, don't tell me they are not THAT expensive. I rather save the
money for something else.
Any ideas about how to do this, greatly appreciated.
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You may not like it but by far the most effective and elegant
way is to get a hub or a switch. Your computer dealer might
give you an old 10 MBit/s hub for next to nothing - these
days everyone wants 100 MBits/s.
 
Starriol said:
The situation is this: I have a PC with cable modem connected via a
long inverted or crossed over, I don't know how this UTP cable layout
is called, it's when both endings are different and you use them to
connect 2 PC. Anyway, this cable goes to my moms PC and she enjoys
Internet thanks to my connection.

I'm going to add a 3rd, slower computer, to use as a always on server,
so the cable modem is going there, as is the other network card in
which the modem connects.
So my question is, if I add a 3rd network card to this server PC, can
I use 2 inverted cables to connect to the other 2 clients PC?
The server is gonna be windows 98 SE, one PC is win 98 SE too and
mine, the best, is XP. I do this because I don't wanna keep mine
always on, so please, don't try to convince me to use the best as a
server... ITS A NOOO

The idea behind this is to save me from paying the HUB.
Please, don't tell me they are not THAT expensive. I rather save the
money for something else.
Any ideas about how to do this, greatly appreciated.
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The situation is this: I have a PC with cable modem connected via a
long inverted or crossed over, I don't know how this UTP cable layout
is called, it's when both endings are different and you use them to
connect 2 PC. Anyway, this cable goes to my moms PC and she enjoys
Internet thanks to my connection.

I'm going to add a 3rd, slower computer, to use as a always on server,
so the cable modem is going there, as is the other network card in
which the modem connects.
So my question is, if I add a 3rd network card to this server PC, can I
use 2 inverted cables to connect to the other 2 clients PC?
The server is gonna be windows 98 SE, one PC is win 98 SE too and mine,
the best, is XP. I do this because I don't wanna keep mine always on,
so please, don't try to convince me to use the best as a server... ITS
A NOOO

The idea behind this is to save me from paying the HUB.
Please, don't tell me they are not THAT expensive. I rather save the
money for something else.
Any ideas about how to do this, greatly appreciated.
Click to expand...

$30 is expensive for a hub???? What is more expensive is trying to figure out
the network problem you would have when you add the 3rd network card into thew
main PC. If you are concerned about the costs, then do not do any networking.
 
If you get a router, you get NAT which will act like a Firewall.
Is the modem external?
 
$30 is expensive for a hub???? What is more expensive is trying to figure out
the network problem you would have when you add the 3rd network card into thew
main PC. If you are concerned about the costs, then do not do any networking.
Click to expand...

I just gave an example. I never did price out a hub before I posted my
response. Anyway, if the OP does buy a hub, it still will be "cheaper" in the
long run when working with networking. The more network cards in a PC and the
more use of "cross-over" Ethernet cables, the harder it will be to find the
problem.
 
I would definitely look at a router (either a 4 port or an 8 port).
They not only provide you with a 4 (or 8 ) port switch, they
provide the NAT as Ron points out. The more you can do to
prevent the incredible number of probes out there trying to get
into your systems, the better off you are (and if I hear one
more person say "I only use it for email so I am safe" I'll
scream !!!!). You will find your task of multiple machines
much easier to work -- I have yet to hear anyone who finally
broke down and purchased a router/switch say they were
sorry they did it (most have made comments more along the
lines of "sure wish I had done this sooner")

mikey
 
A 5 port switch is $15 on NewEgg.com. You are going to pay that much for
the NIC and still have to run the cables. Why would you even want to setup
3 network connections on one PC and tie up all those resources? You are no
saving any money and you definitely are not working very efficiently in your
"network."

I would definitely look at a router (either a 4 port or an 8 port).
They not only provide you with a 4 (or 8 ) port switch, they
provide the NAT as Ron points out. The more you can do to
prevent the incredible number of probes out there trying to get
into your systems, the better off you are (and if I hear one
more person say "I only use it for email so I am safe" I'll
scream !!!!). You will find your task of multiple machines
much easier to work -- I have yet to hear anyone who finally
broke down and purchased a router/switch say they were
sorry they did it (most have made comments more along the
lines of "sure wish I had done this sooner")

mikey
 
I would recommend daisy chaining them together. using a crossover cable
you can either go cable modem to xp to 98se to 98se or cable modem to
xp to both 98se at the same time this will require three nic cards on
your xp. one for modem the other two for your 98se. The problem with
the first senerio is that your 98se in the middle will need two nic
cards. which I am assuming you don't have.They cost about 20$. also
computer resources will be stretched across every computer down the
line because they have to process the request from the previous
computer. I don't know how far they are apart so you will have to
figure distance solutions as well. The second senerio is good if your
computers are close together but still requires a second nic card. This
could also help because your xp is newer allowing for better processing
of the information and less resource consumtion on your slower
computers.
here are the examples

(cable modem)----ethernet cable--------(xp)-----cross
over---------(98se)-------cross over-----(98se)

keep in mind distance in your home that the cables will have to run
this is first senerio.
the second senerio is this

(cable modem)--ethernet cable--------------(xp)
/ \
cross over ca / \
(98) (98)
I have yet another ideal for a a third senerio if you can't afford a
20$ card no big deal this will require an extra cable its called a
firewire to usb.
Here's how it works you can keep your current configuration (cable
modem)---(xp)----(98)
and simply plug the fire wire end of this cable into your cable modem
and the usb into your second 98.
here's how it will look
(cable modem)----(cross over cable)----(xp)----(cross over
cable)------(98)
\
\firewire/usb cable
\
(98)
let me know if this helps you and you can email me at
(e-mail address removed) thanks
 
Why are we encouraging him to crossover network 3 PC's together when a
switch is as cheap as a NIC and is 100x more efficient? 3 total NIC and 1
switch with full duplex 200Mbps speed vs. 6 NIC and lots of network traffic?
Easy choice there!

I would recommend daisy chaining them together. using a crossover cable
you can either go cable modem to xp to 98se to 98se or cable modem to
xp to both 98se at the same time this will require three nic cards on
your xp. one for modem the other two for your 98se. The problem with
the first senerio is that your 98se in the middle will need two nic
cards. which I am assuming you don't have.They cost about 20$. also
computer resources will be stretched across every computer down the
line because they have to process the request from the previous
computer. I don't know how far they are apart so you will have to
figure distance solutions as well. The second senerio is good if your
computers are close together but still requires a second nic card. This
could also help because your xp is newer allowing for better processing
of the information and less resource consumtion on your slower
computers.
here are the examples

(cable modem)----ethernet cable--------(xp)-----cross
over---------(98se)-------cross over-----(98se)

keep in mind distance in your home that the cables will have to run
this is first senerio.
the second senerio is this

(cable modem)--ethernet cable--------------(xp)
/ \
cross over ca / \
(98) (98)
I have yet another ideal for a a third senerio if you can't afford a
20$ card no big deal this will require an extra cable its called a
firewire to usb.
Here's how it works you can keep your current configuration (cable
modem)---(xp)----(98)
and simply plug the fire wire end of this cable into your cable modem
and the usb into your second 98.
here's how it will look
(cable modem)----(cross over cable)----(xp)----(cross over
cable)------(98)
\
\firewire/usb cable
\
(98)
let me know if this helps you and you can email me at
(e-mail address removed) thanks
 
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