C# Opportunities in Richmond, VA

[elizabethc]

I am currently looking for C# developers to work contract-to-hire
positions in Richmond, VA. Please email a Word copy of your resume to
(e-mail address removed) if you are interested in finding out more
about this position. Thank you.

 

[Dave]

I am currently looking for C# developers to work contract-to-hire
positions in Richmond, VA. Please email a Word copy of your resume to
(e-mail address removed) if you are interested in finding out more
about this position. Thank you.

go away, this is a tech news group!!

 

[Lew]

go away, this is a tech news group!!

I am curious as to the hostility toward recruiters in the technical
newsgroups. I understand we don't want to see a spamfest of individual job
postings, but how about if recruiters simply introduced themselves and
indicated that they had some opportunities?

Isn't it the recruiters that help us turn all this lovely programming skill
into something that sustains us, pays the mortgage, impresses dates with our
wealth, etc.? Isn't the fact that we get paid to do this stuff what powers
the whole community?

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

I am curious as to the hostility toward recruiters in the technical
newsgroups. I understand we don't want to see a spamfest of individual job
postings, but how about if recruiters simply introduced themselves and
indicated that they had some opportunities?

How many recruiters do you think there are world-wide? If each of them
introduced themselves once per year, what do you think the signal to
noise ratio here would be like?

Isn't it the recruiters that help us turn all this lovely programming skill
into something that sustains us, pays the mortgage, impresses dates with our
wealth, etc.?

Well, I see it the other way round - it's our skill that helps
recruiters to pay *their* mortgages.

Isn't the fact that we get paid to do this stuff what powers
the whole community?

Partly - but that doesn't make it right for recruiters to post job
adverts here any more than it would be right to post technical
questions on monster.com.


I for one do *not* want to see job ads on this newsgroup - and I
usually mail the recruiter involved to explain why. Sometimes the
response I get back is rude, sometimes polite - and occasionally I'm
ignored completely.

 

[Lew]

How many recruiters do you think there are world-wide? If each of them
introduced themselves once per year, what do you think the signal to
noise ratio here would be like?


Well, I see it the other way round - it's our skill that helps
recruiters to pay *their* mortgages.


Partly - but that doesn't make it right for recruiters to post job
adverts here any more than it would be right to post technical
questions on monster.com.


I for one do *not* want to see job ads on this newsgroup - and I
usually mail the recruiter involved to explain why. Sometimes the
response I get back is rude, sometimes polite - and occasionally I'm
ignored completely.

You raise good points. Thank you. I had wondered.

 

[not_a_commie]

So is the animosity only against recruiters or is it against any job
opening declaration on the newsgroup? I think it would be fine for
legitimate companies who need good C# coders to post openings on this
newsgroup. I don't think we'd see that many.

 

[Peter Duniho]

So is the animosity only against recruiters or is it against any job
opening declaration on the newsgroup? I think it would be fine for
legitimate companies who need good C# coders to post openings on this
newsgroup. I don't think we'd see that many.

The exact degree and nature of the animosity surely is as varied as the
number of people using the newsgroup.

That said, in my own case it's my opinion that the newsgroup should be
used for on-topic posts only. This newsgroup is for questions about
the C# programming language, and by popular convention and extension
about .NET questions as well.

I don't personally feel that job announcements fall into those things.
To me, the metric is: if the proportion of messages increased to 50% or
more, would those messages still fit in? If not, they are off-topic
and should not be posted in any number, however small.

There are a variety of reasons to hold that position, but IMHO the
primary one is simply to avoid the possibility of the number of
messages increasing to a point where they interfere with the intended
use of the newsgroup. The identity of the person posting the
information has nothing to do with this risk.

Now, that said...to me the big issue is people who have nothing to do
with the newsgroup other than to post such an announcement. If someone
who was a regular user of the newsgroup, especially if they are a
regular contributor, had a specific staffing need or knew of one in
some personal context (e.g. the team they work for) and wanted to
mention that, I wouldn't find that nearly so objectionable as people
who post without any connection to the newsgroup except to use it as
their free head-hunting forum.

So, in answer to your specific question: "legitimate companies"? No
different than recruiters, IMHO. Those should be discouraged just as
much as recruiters (and in fact there's often no difference, some most
larger companies have their own recruiting staff). But that's not to
say that no one should ever post information about a job opening. It
just means it should be incredibly rare and should be done only by
people with an existing relationship to the newsgroup.

Pete

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

So is the animosity only against recruiters or is it against any job
opening declaration on the newsgroup? I think it would be fine for
legitimate companies who need good C# coders to post openings on this
newsgroup. I don't think we'd see that many.

I'd be against *any* job adverts in the newsgroup. Again, imagine if
every company who needed a C# developer decided to advertise here.

 

[Chris Mullins [MVP - C#]]

You're thinking of it the wrong way.

If all companies looking for really good C# talent read this newsgroup,
think of the absolutly amazing job offers that would be rolling in for you!
You would have companies bidding on your time, offering you the ability to
work from home, etc, etc, etc....

I'm actualy torn on this:
- On the one hand I like the all on-topic posts.

- On the other hand, I *am* an independant consultant who is always looking
for work. If companies needing help with Sockets / Threading / Application
and System Architecture / Debugging choose to poke around here and make me
offers, I certainly would object...

What I wouldn't like to see is Dice, where all of the ads are from
recruiters, and most of those are just designed for resume farming...

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

You're thinking of it the wrong way.

If all companies looking for really good C# talent read this newsgroup,
think of the absolutly amazing job offers that would be rolling in for you!
You would have companies bidding on your time, offering you the ability to
work from home, etc, etc, etc....

In that case it would be fine for them to approach me personally. I
wouldn't want them to do it via a newsgroup post though.

I'm actualy torn on this:
- On the one hand I like the all on-topic posts.

- On the other hand, I *am* an independant consultant who is always looking
for work. If companies needing help with Sockets / Threading / Application
and System Architecture / Debugging choose to poke around here and make me
offers, I certainly would object...

I assume you meant "wouldn't" there

I have no problem with recruiters *reading* newsgroups - or even
asking technical questions, if they have them. It's just inappropriate
for them to advertise here.

What I wouldn't like to see is Dice, where all of the ads are from
recruiters, and most of those are just designed for resume farming...

Can't say I look at Dice, but I'll take your word for it.

Jon

 

[Tom Porterfield]

So is the animosity only against recruiters or is it against any job
opening declaration on the newsgroup? I think it would be fine for
legitimate companies who need good C# coders to post openings on this
newsgroup. I don't think we'd see that many.

This is a technical discussion group. There are plenty of other forums
that deal with recruiting both in general and specific to IT. I would
be against any off-topic posts here, including those related to employment.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?=]

I'd be against *any* job adverts in the newsgroup. Again, imagine if
every company who needed a C# developer decided to advertise here.

Imagine if every C# programmer in the world posted a C# question
every day.



I am for a very broad definition of "on topic". This is not
comp.lang.c !

If the traffic becomes to big, then a group split is needed.

I don't like the recruiting spammers that usually is written in
poor English, is obviously written by someone who don't understand
what the technologies mentioned really is and offers a lousy pay.

I can't see the problem with a job advert from someone who know
what they are asking for and are willing to pay well for it.

Seeing the first category is an almost daily event.

Seeing the second category is very rare.

Arne

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Imagine if every C# programmer in the world posted a C# question
every day.

Then we'd still have a very high signal-to-noise ratio. We might have
to split the group up into very distinct topics, but that would be
okay.

I am for a very broad definition of "on topic". This is not
comp.lang.c !

If the traffic becomes to big, then a group split is needed.

But the point is that people posting jobs are already disrespecting the
purpose of the group - so they're likely to just post to multiple
groups after a split.

I don't like the recruiting spammers that usually is written in
poor English, is obviously written by someone who don't understand
what the technologies mentioned really is and offers a lousy pay.

I can't see the problem with a job advert from someone who know
what they are asking for and are willing to pay well for it.

Seeing the first category is an almost daily event.

Seeing the second category is very rare.

It is at the moment - but again, if everyone decided to do it, it
wouldn't be.