Being forced to upgrade (rant)

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Does anyone feel a little resentment when they have to upgrade their whole
computer just because one part goes bad? I'm typing this on my Windows 95
machine. Why? because it still works. I also have an XP machine that I built
so you don't need to tell me that I'm way behind when it comes to technology.
My beef is if something minor goes wrong with my Windows 95 machine I'll
probably have to throw the whole thing away because I won't be able to get
parts for it. A few years from now if something goes wrong with my XP machine
I probably won't be able to find parts for it either. For example, what
happens if my video card goes bad and I have to buy a new one but the only ones
available are PCI Express? I only have AGP. If that were to happen I would
have to replace my motherboard and probably the processor and the memory. New
technolgy is dandy. I like new technolgy but don't you think they're too quick
in discarding old technology that many people are still using? Besides, not
everyone has several hundred dollars to throw away for a new computer every
couple years.
 
DJS0302 said:
Does anyone feel a little resentment when they have to upgrade their whole
computer just because one part goes bad? I'm typing this on my Windows 95
machine. Why? because it still works. I also have an XP machine that I built
so you don't need to tell me that I'm way behind when it comes to technology.
My beef is if something minor goes wrong with my Windows 95 machine I'll
probably have to throw the whole thing away because I won't be able to get
parts for it. A few years from now if something goes wrong with my XP machine
I probably won't be able to find parts for it either. For example, what
happens if my video card goes bad and I have to buy a new one but the only ones
available are PCI Express? I only have AGP. If that were to happen I would
have to replace my motherboard and probably the processor and the memory. New
technolgy is dandy. I like new technolgy but don't you think they're too quick
in discarding old technology that many people are still using? Besides, not
everyone has several hundred dollars to throw away for a new computer every
couple years.

The simple answer is because there's little demand for obsolete technology.

But your premise is incorrect in it's over simplified form anyway. E.g. you
can still get PCI video cards, and AGP 1x, and AGP 2x, and AGP 4x, even
though AGP 8x is the current norm and there's no doubt AGP cards will be
available for years to come even though PCI Express will be the 'latest'
technology.
 
Does anyone feel a little resentment when they have to upgrade their whole
computer just because one part goes bad? I'm typing this on my Windows 95
machine. Why? because it still works. I also have an XP machine that I built
so you don't need to tell me that I'm way behind when it comes to technology.
My beef is if something minor goes wrong with my Windows 95 machine I'll
probably have to throw the whole thing away because I won't be able to get
parts for it. A few years from now if something goes wrong with my XP machine
I probably won't be able to find parts for it either. For example, what
happens if my video card goes bad and I have to buy a new one but the only ones
available are PCI Express? I only have AGP. If that were to happen I would
have to replace my motherboard and probably the processor and the memory. New
technolgy is dandy. I like new technolgy but don't you think they're too quick
in discarding old technology that many people are still using? Besides, not
everyone has several hundred dollars to throw away for a new computer every
couple years.

Nope. Doesn't wash. You can still buy PCI video cards. I bet I could
find new ISA video cards with a bit of a search even. Do you also resent
auto makers? How old is your main daily driver?

However, I like to upgrade even if it's at the behest of a new generation
of games or software, so maybe I'm biased.
 
"My beef is if something minor goes wrong with my Windows 95 machine
I'll
probably have to throw the whole thing away because I won't be able to get
parts for it. "

Do you want the computer industry to starve? The computer industry is
suffering
since people aren't replacing computers fast enough. If a computer over
5 years old breaks, it should be thrown away and replaced. Computers are
cheap enough now.
 
DJS0302 said:
Does anyone feel a little resentment when they have to upgrade their whole
computer just because one part goes bad? I'm typing this on my Windows 95
machine. Why? because it still works. I also have an XP machine that I built
so you don't need to tell me that I'm way behind when it comes to technology.
My beef is if something minor goes wrong with my Windows 95 machine I'll
probably have to throw the whole thing away because I won't be able to get
parts for it. A few years from now if something goes wrong with my XP machine
I probably won't be able to find parts for it either. For example, what
happens if my video card goes bad and I have to buy a new one but the only ones
available are PCI Express? I only have AGP. If that were to happen I would
have to replace my motherboard and probably the processor and the memory. New
technolgy is dandy. I like new technolgy but don't you think they're too quick
in discarding old technology that many people are still using? Besides, not
everyone has several hundred dollars to throw away for a new computer every
couple years.
E-Bay is your friend. You can buy parts and complete systems for
anything from 8086XTs upwards.
 
"My beef is if something minor goes wrong with my Windows 95 machine
I'll

Do you want the computer industry to starve? The computer industry is
suffering
since people aren't replacing computers fast enough. If a computer over
5 years old breaks, it should be thrown away and replaced. Computers are
cheap enough now.
Millions of Chinese living with the daily misery the pollutants in
these abandoned components causes disagree with you.
 
Millions of Chinese living with the daily misery the pollutants in
these abandoned components causes disagree with you.

That's another reason I don't like throwing away computers. All these
landfills will eventually be filled up with all these used computers.
Eventually some of the toxic metals in them will leach out and contaminate the
soil or water supply in that area. I know there are computer recycling
centers that dispose of computers properly but most people don't know about
them. Too many people treat aa computer as a disposable product. I wouldn't
think of throwing my 5 year old tv away. So why should I throw away a 5 year
old computer? The tv was a lot cheaper too.
 
DJS0302 said:
Does anyone feel a little resentment when they have to upgrade their whole
computer just because one part goes bad? I'm typing this on my Windows 95
machine. Why? because it still works. I also have an XP machine that I built
so you don't need to tell me that I'm way behind when it comes to technology.
My beef is if something minor goes wrong with my Windows 95 machine I'll
probably have to throw the whole thing away because I won't be able to get
parts for it. A few years from now if something goes wrong with my XP machine
I probably won't be able to find parts for it either. For example, what
happens if my video card goes bad and I have to buy a new one but the only ones
available are PCI Express? I only have AGP. If that were to happen I would
have to replace my motherboard and probably the processor and the memory. New
technolgy is dandy. I like new technolgy but don't you think they're too quick
in discarding old technology that many people are still using? Besides, not
everyone has several hundred dollars to throw away for a new computer every
couple years.


first off...the economy thrives on production and sales...
so there is no incentive for most computer vendors to continue selling
older parts...
that said...it is still *very* easy to keep old machines going for many
more years.
over the past 4 years i've probably saved 300 or more older machines
from going to the land-fills.
(80% of the machines i find are repairable...20% are used for parts)

all you need to do is check-in to a group such as the helpline or
swap-page at www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org and you can probably find
someone who will send you the part *free* if you just pay the postage!
 
Does anyone feel a little resentment when they have to upgrade their whole
computer just because one part goes bad?

Not really; I accepted that along with the entire personal computer
paradigm when I turned on my first box in 1995.
I'm typing this on my Windows 95
machine. Why? because it still works.

Ummm...okay. It's beginning to seem so strange to me that Windows 95
is now a "legacy" operating system. (sigh) I'm getting too old.
I also have an XP machine that I built
so you don't need to tell me that I'm way behind when it comes to technology.
My beef is if something minor goes wrong with my Windows 95 machine I'll
probably have to throw the whole thing away because I won't be able to get
parts for it.

OS's are not "machines".
A few years from now if something goes wrong with my XP machine
I probably won't be able to find parts for it either. For example, what
happens if my video card goes bad and I have to buy a new one but the only ones
available are PCI Express? I only have AGP. If that were to happen I would
have to replace my motherboard and probably the processor and the memory. New
technolgy is dandy. I like new technolgy but don't you think they're too quick
in discarding old technology that many people are still using? Besides, not
everyone has several hundred dollars to throw away for a new computer every
couple years.

I built my present box for about $90, from used parts. PIII/450 320mb
RAM. Yeah, it's not SOTA; it'll do for now though. It's about 25
times faster than my original W95 box, circa 1995.

I still know of people out there who are still running Windows 3.11
and even DOS 5x and just having a fine old time.

Of course, you could always just chuck the Windows paradigm altogether
and run Linux. Linux runs on anything, pretty much.

As for being "resentful", you have the freedom to indulge in
resentfulness all you like. It is highly unreasonable to demand that
time and evolution slow down and stop so that you may have the
pleasure. Myself, I don't forsee you having any problems running
Windows 95 well through the first third of this century; by then,
though, computing will have moved into quantam etherspace filing
systems and operations, along with what will be called simply "The
Net" by then (after the opening of the first ISP on Mars). You may
find, around the year 2042, that like it or not, you will finally have
to upgrade to Windows 98, unless you simply have The Chip™ implant,
and do away with the computer entirely.

Well, I must be back off to my own time; good luck with your
motherboard.

------------------------------------

"You have the opportunity of a lifetime; to actually
witness the dawn of our modern age. How I envy
you. Don't **** it up, dude the surf awaits your return,
and the bud this winter will be BOFFO supreme."

---- Primus, Chief Excecutive of the West Coast, Old Year 2214,
when he sent me back here on my mission.

(PS: I don't suppose you've invented nano-ether time differentiated
storage yet, have you? I've run out of film for my camera. I've
already checked this "Wal-Mart" organization; they don't have it.)
 
I like new technolgy but don't you think they're too quick
in discarding old technology that many people are still using? Besides, not
everyone has several hundred dollars to throw away for a new computer every
couple years.

The short answer is there is little marker for it. You can just as eaasily
go get a whole system from the Windows 95 era for $50 from eBay and mix and
match any parts you want. Making new PCI video cards or motherboards for
200 MHz Pentium II is not lucrative enough for anyone.

Though there are exceptions, and there are internet sites that specialize in
older hardware. I can still buy new RAM for my Mac SE/30 that I've had
since 1990. It's even pretty cheap (not per MB but overall an inexpensive
part).
 
Unit said:
On 17 Sep 2004 00:55:15 GMT, (e-mail address removed) (DJS0302) whipped
out "The Mallet O' Understanding" and bashed *this* into my head:


OS's are not "machines".

Right.

Furthermore, device drivers and software applications are not "parts".
 
Unit 42 of 57 said:
Not really; I accepted that along with the entire personal computer
paradigm when I turned on my first box in 1995.


Ummm...okay. It's beginning to seem so strange to me that Windows 95
is now a "legacy" operating system. (sigh) I'm getting too old.


OS's are not "machines".


I built my present box for about $90, from used parts. PIII/450 320mb
RAM. Yeah, it's not SOTA; it'll do for now though. It's about 25
times faster than my original W95 box, circa 1995.

I still know of people out there who are still running Windows 3.11
and even DOS 5x and just having a fine old time.

Of course, you could always just chuck the Windows paradigm altogether
and run Linux. Linux runs on anything, pretty much.

As for being "resentful", you have the freedom to indulge in
resentfulness all you like. It is highly unreasonable to demand that
time and evolution slow down and stop so that you may have the
pleasure. Myself, I don't forsee you having any problems running
Windows 95 well through the first third of this century; by then,
though, computing will have moved into quantam etherspace filing
systems and operations, along with what will be called simply "The
Net" by then (after the opening of the first ISP on Mars). You may
find, around the year 2042, that like it or not, you will finally have
to upgrade to Windows 98, unless you simply have The ChipT implant,
and do away with the computer entirely.

Well, I must be back off to my own time; good luck with your
motherboard.

------------------------------------

"You have the opportunity of a lifetime; to actually
witness the dawn of our modern age. How I envy
you. Don't **** it up, dude the surf awaits your return,
and the bud this winter will be BOFFO supreme."

---- Primus, Chief Excecutive of the West Coast, Old Year 2214,
when he sent me back here on my mission.

(PS: I don't suppose you've invented nano-ether time differentiated
storage yet, have you? I've run out of film for my camera. I've
already checked this "Wal-Mart" organization; they don't have it.)

Hi Unit 42 of 57

My problem is OS, I currently use 98. I like 98, and have had very few
problems with it. Yet every OS, after 98SE, everybody seems to complain
about. ME, 2000 and XPHE. There seems to be something bad about each of
these OS, apparently XPBE, is about the best of the lot, but even that
edition has its problems I am told.
Now I like to play games on my pc, and so far I have been able to avoid
upgrading my OS, but there are games coming out that are dropping 98, but
are using 98SE, as the minimum OS. However, Doom 3, dropped 98, 98SE, and
ME, restricting the OS choice to 2000 and XP. Of course other programs have
started to restrict OS use, Acrobat 6, has dropped 98, and I am sure it
won't be long before other programs, join in and drop 98. I have previously
considered upgrading my graphics card, and rather liked the ATI, cards, but
alas they dropped 98 and 98SE, and I just could not afford to upgrade my OS,
and graphics card. And since I disliked the available Windows OS's, I
abandoned my upgrade program. Maybe Longhorn, will be the one to change
things.


Yours Technomancer
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The area of computer technology advances by the day. When the latest video
card hits the shelves its pushed and yesterday's model becomes obsolete.
I wish medicine could be as productive to find cures for the many forms of
cancer or failing body parts. I wouldn't complain and say I'm not ready for
an eye implant. I'll just stick with going blind.
No one is going to make you change. With your Win95 machine you can
continue to ignore USB and firewire, partition size limitations, RAM limits,
security firewalls, networking options, and a plethora of other innovations
that have materialized through the past years since '95's inception.
 
Does anyone feel a little resentment when they have to upgrade their whole
computer just because one part goes bad? I'm typing this on my Windows 95
machine. Why? because it still works. I also have an XP machine that I
built so you don't need to tell me that I'm way behind when it comes to
technology. My beef is if something minor goes wrong with my Windows 95
machine I'll probably have to throw the whole thing away because I won't
be able to get parts for it. A few years from now if something goes wrong
with my XP machine I probably won't be able to find parts for it either.
For example, what happens if my video card goes bad and I have to buy a
new one but the only ones available are PCI Express? I only have AGP. If
that were to happen I would have to replace my motherboard and probably
the processor and the memory. New technolgy is dandy. I like new
technolgy but don't you think they're too quick in discarding old
technology that many people are still using? Besides, not everyone has
several hundred dollars to throw away for a new computer every couple
years.

I know a few people still using W95 with 0 intention of upgrading. A
friend only this year moved to XP because an online web course and cable
internet otherwise they would still be using dialup. A number of people
only have dialup as their internet option so W95 which is 99% free of
virus infection is good enough.
 
Technomancer:
every OS, after 98SE, everybody seems to complain about. ME, 2000
and XPHE. There seems to be something bad about each of these OS,
apparently XPBE, is about the best of the lot, but even that edition
has its problems I am told.

You are spending too much time with negative people. XP is far superior to
98, assuming you have a machine with technology from the
last 5 years. You will never regret upgrading unless you are one of
those people who won't allow themselves to adapt to new, improved
things.
I disliked the available Windows OS's, I abandoned my upgrade
program. Maybe Longhorn, will be the one to change things.

Green eggs & ham anyone?
;)
 
Hi Unit 42 of 57
Greetings.

My problem is OS, I currently use 98. I like 98, and have had very few
problems with it.

In our time, we like it too; we have kept it preserved for emergency
useage. It came in handy in the asteroid strike of O.Y 2197, when our
major fabrication plants were destroyed. It took ten years to
restore; during that time, it is no exaggeration to say that Windows
98 saved our civilization until the day when we could restore Domanix
from reconstructed archival copies.
Yet every OS, after 98SE, everybody seems to complain
about.

Your account concurs with our records of the late 20th and early 21st
century of the Old Calendar System.
ME, 2000 and XPHE. There seems to be something bad about each of
these OS, apparently XPBE, is about the best of the lot, but even that
edition has its problems I am told.

Fascinating. We have no record of an "XPBE"; as far as is known,
there was "Windows XP Home Edition" (your "XPHE", I assume) and
"Windows XP Professional". It would be most helpful to my research if
you could tell me what other variants of the operating system there
were; I can find no references to this "XPBE" on your "Usenet" or
"World Wide Web".
Now I like to play games on my pc, and so far I have been able to avoid
upgrading my OS, but there are games coming out that are dropping 98, but
are using 98SE, as the minimum OS. However, Doom 3, dropped 98, 98SE, and
ME, restricting the OS choice to 2000 and XP. Of course other programs have
started to restrict OS use, Acrobat 6, has dropped 98, and I am sure it
won't be long before other programs, join in and drop 98. I have previously
considered upgrading my graphics card, and rather liked the ATI, cards, but
alas they dropped 98 and 98SE, and I just could not afford to upgrade my OS,
and graphics card. And since I disliked the available Windows OS's, I
abandoned my upgrade program. Maybe Longhorn, will be the one to change
things.

These things are the least of your worries.

You would not know this in your time, but the reason for the collapse
of your culture (which begins in four years) and the reason it took
well over a century and a half before humanity picked up the shattered
pieces of it's broken civilization and finally discovered the
principles of time travel was....the operating system software called
"Longhorn" (which was named on final delivery to what you call
"market" "Windows Unified Master".

It started with printers; it moved on to consolidate control over
something called "corporate LANs" (which we deduce were small private
networks analagous to your internet); from there it took over your
primitive internet; the real madness began on July 14th, 2008, when
every single aircraft in flight around the world plummeted from the
skies, and every single computer system in the world's military
complexes went dead. Then Windows Unified Master announced it's
presence the world over via your internet and cable television
systems. Then the entire global power grid went dark; we still do not
know how or why. That belongs to what we refer to as "The Chaos";
nothing much is known of the events of those 97 years of our history,
except that two-thirds of the world's population died.

We recently elected to send one representative back (myself) to
observe the beginning of these events. Sadly, we cannot prevent what
will happen; in order to save you, we would have to sacrifice our
present civilization. This cannot be allowed.

We do not know the exact mechanics of the situation, but apparently it
started with the second of a series of service packs to modify the
operating system "Microsoft Windows XP" (NT 5.11) which was in
widespread useage by the Old Year 2006. This rendered computers
worldwide defenseless on a number of ports; in four year's time,
Windows Unified Master (what you call "Longhorn") will take full
advantage of this flaw. There were two variants of this operating
system; "Home" and "Professional". The catalyst of the problems
seemed to be in the variant called "Home".

Apart from the existing records of the disruption of air traffic,
which are the last detailed records of this time period, we do not
know much about what happens after that. All we know is that it was
in that year that the Moon left it's orbit and Nemesis arrived. There
are hazy references afterwards of a "William 1.0", who apparently
ruled from an area which is now in the north-western section of what
we know as the N.A.W.C.F. (North American West Coast Federation), a
fortress city known as "Red Mountain" (or "Cee-Ya'h-Tahl", as the
natives call it). Settle was located between an intricate system of
harbors and a large volcanic mountain in what is known as Tacoma Sound
in the Yakima Autonomous Region of our nation. He was a petty warlord
deposed after twenty years of rule by a terrorist group who's name we
do not know except for it's initials; "B.O.F.H"; the main weapon in
their arsenal was an early predecessor of Domanix; "Lunix" or "Lenux".

This resulted in savage chaos and the Software Wars, and something
called the "Apple Liquidation", apparently a massive fruit crop
failure in which every single apple farmer was executed by the armed
forces loyal to William 1.0. The rest is legend. 87 years ago, the
darkness ended; Domanix 1.0 was compiled; we gave over control of the
world to it; our culture was born. The world is a garden now, in our
age, the year 192 NC (2214 OC).

But I digress; in answer to your "post", progress is inevitable and
cannot be halted; upgrade your system, find new games to play that are
compatible with that hardware...and savor every moment of the time
that remains to you and your world.

I must go; I have said too much as it is.
 
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Mac Cool said:
Technomancer:

You are spending too much time with negative people. XP is far superior to
98, assuming you have a machine with technology from the
last 5 years. You will never regret upgrading unless you are one of
those people who won't allow themselves to adapt to new, improved
things.


Green eggs & ham anyone?
;)

Hi Mac Cool

I have technology within last 5 years, and I have heard that XP, has some
nice innovative features, but the grief of using XP, far outweighs the
benefits. And the negative people I hang with are I.T. and computer
sellers/repairers; I ask them everytime a new SP, comes out for XP, if it is
now worth changing to XP. And everytime the response is don't bother stick
with what you have. Unfortunately soon I won't have a choice, in order to
use the next generation of the software programs I have I am going to have
to upgrade. I may well be living in the land of dreams, but surely
Longhorn, couldn't be any worse than XP, I know it could be, but I am always
hopeful that MS, will produce an OS, with few problems.

Yours Technomancer
 
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