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Alon Brodski
Hello!
I recently called Microsoft Israel and tried to find out it there,but they
don't know themselves so it's kinda under investigation now,so I'm trying
the other ways.
I talked to a MS cust service rep and he told me that there's no way to find
out the Product Key and all the info connected to original purchase of
Windows if ,say,Windows is valid,BUT the COA sticker is missing.I'm talking
about PID in System Properties...
Logically...it may happen that the HD with Windows is not with original
Windows and there's a sticker on a computer with COA.So if there's no
connection between PID and COA (Product Key-bar code No.),then how MS can
tell whether the Windows was actually purchased?
I would assume that MS's distributors have all the lists of retailers with
Product ID's and bar code No.'s in their database
to track the purchases.
Moreover (and that's the core of the question)...I have 2 PC's at home with
Windows XP Pro Eng.On one (1st) I personally installed Windows from original
OEM CD that I purchased.And the (2nd) machine I bought with Windows
pre-installed,but without sticker on a box (it did pass though the
validation on MS web site).
So what I did was simply compared the string of digits and letters of both
PID's in sys properties.
So the 1st was 55274-OEM-0046506-14728
the 2nd was 55274-640-1953827-23941.
So if you visually COMPARE both numbers,you would see that there's some
hidden meaning behind them.
BECAUSE on the original OEM CD (1st PC) on a COA sticker the BAR CODE No.
is:00045-465-014-728
So if you compare the PID of the 1st with a bar code No. you would see that
it's 90% identical:
00045-465-014-728 and 55274-OEM-0046506-14728 (well the begining is
different,but since 55274 appears on both PC's PID's I would assume that
maybe it's stands for ISRAEL (or world region etc.),so it doesn't matter.
So maybe someone could demystify the Microsoft misteries?
I recently called Microsoft Israel and tried to find out it there,but they
don't know themselves so it's kinda under investigation now,so I'm trying
the other ways.
I talked to a MS cust service rep and he told me that there's no way to find
out the Product Key and all the info connected to original purchase of
Windows if ,say,Windows is valid,BUT the COA sticker is missing.I'm talking
about PID in System Properties...
Logically...it may happen that the HD with Windows is not with original
Windows and there's a sticker on a computer with COA.So if there's no
connection between PID and COA (Product Key-bar code No.),then how MS can
tell whether the Windows was actually purchased?
I would assume that MS's distributors have all the lists of retailers with
Product ID's and bar code No.'s in their database
to track the purchases.
Moreover (and that's the core of the question)...I have 2 PC's at home with
Windows XP Pro Eng.On one (1st) I personally installed Windows from original
OEM CD that I purchased.And the (2nd) machine I bought with Windows
pre-installed,but without sticker on a box (it did pass though the
validation on MS web site).
So what I did was simply compared the string of digits and letters of both
PID's in sys properties.
So the 1st was 55274-OEM-0046506-14728
the 2nd was 55274-640-1953827-23941.
So if you visually COMPARE both numbers,you would see that there's some
hidden meaning behind them.
BECAUSE on the original OEM CD (1st PC) on a COA sticker the BAR CODE No.
is:00045-465-014-728
So if you compare the PID of the 1st with a bar code No. you would see that
it's 90% identical:
00045-465-014-728 and 55274-OEM-0046506-14728 (well the begining is
different,but since 55274 appears on both PC's PID's I would assume that
maybe it's stands for ISRAEL (or world region etc.),so it doesn't matter.
So maybe someone could demystify the Microsoft misteries?
S
Shenan Stanley
Wha?!
I'll have to take this in pieces..
I am unsure what you are looking for. I know that if you have a working
copy of Windows XP (booting) and you want to get the CD Key that was used to
install said windows installation - something like Belarc Advisor and/or
Magic Jellybean Keyfinder would get you this information fairly easily.
This does not "prove" anything - and it is not unheard of for the copy that
is installed to *not* be the same copy that was actually sold with the
system. It's not a GOOD thing - but has happened. It can even be that the
CD Key you can get from the working machine will not work with the
installation media you were given with the system - and only the product key
that should have come with the CD will work. You lost that, then, yeah - if
the number you can get from the running OS using one of the utilities I
mentioned does not match the CD type - then that CD is worthless to you.
I cannot follow the logic. There may be a language barrier here.
What you may be saying/asking is that it is/may be possible that the
installed operating system is not the one that matches the CD/sticker that
is on the OEM (those who would be involved when there is a sticker involved
on the system case) supplied computer case. Yep. This is true. I
mentioned it above.
Truthfully - it is the COA that matters to the end-user as proof of
ownership. I can burn you a copy of my generic OEM CD - or my retail CD if
you have a retail CD key (or upgrade, etc..) and you can use that with your
CD key 99.9% of the time with no issues - ever. Your CD Key and COA are
what proves that particular license is yours. You purchases a license - a
right to use the Windows XP software - not the software itself.
hahahah
I would bet you would be incorrect.
Well - sort of. It's not really hidden. You just have to be willing to
search for the answer.
http://wiki.djlizard.net/Product_IDs#MPC_list_-_English_locale
So - looking at that - I would say you have a case of what I mentioned
earlier on that second machine. It was installed using a Volume License
installation media - not the OEM media that you were (supposed to be) given.
The web link given above should do some of that.
I'll have to take this in pieces..
Alon said:I recently called Microsoft Israel and tried to find out it
there,but they don't know themselves so it's kinda under
investigation now,so I'm trying the other ways.
I talked to a MS cust service rep and he told me that there's no
way to find out the Product Key and all the info connected to
original purchase of Windows if ,say,Windows is valid,BUT the COA
sticker is missing.I'm talking about PID in System Properties...
I am unsure what you are looking for. I know that if you have a working
copy of Windows XP (booting) and you want to get the CD Key that was used to
install said windows installation - something like Belarc Advisor and/or
Magic Jellybean Keyfinder would get you this information fairly easily.
This does not "prove" anything - and it is not unheard of for the copy that
is installed to *not* be the same copy that was actually sold with the
system. It's not a GOOD thing - but has happened. It can even be that the
CD Key you can get from the working machine will not work with the
installation media you were given with the system - and only the product key
that should have come with the CD will work. You lost that, then, yeah - if
the number you can get from the running OS using one of the utilities I
mentioned does not match the CD type - then that CD is worthless to you.
Logically...it may happen that the HD with Windows is not with
original Windows and there's a sticker on a computer with COA.So if
there's no connection between PID and COA (Product Key-bar code
No.),then how MS can tell whether the Windows was actually
purchased?
I cannot follow the logic. There may be a language barrier here.
What you may be saying/asking is that it is/may be possible that the
installed operating system is not the one that matches the CD/sticker that
is on the OEM (those who would be involved when there is a sticker involved
on the system case) supplied computer case. Yep. This is true. I
mentioned it above.
Truthfully - it is the COA that matters to the end-user as proof of
ownership. I can burn you a copy of my generic OEM CD - or my retail CD if
you have a retail CD key (or upgrade, etc..) and you can use that with your
CD key 99.9% of the time with no issues - ever. Your CD Key and COA are
what proves that particular license is yours. You purchases a license - a
right to use the Windows XP software - not the software itself.
I would assume that MS's distributors have all the lists of
retailers with Product ID's and bar code No.'s in their database
to track the purchases.
hahahah
I would bet you would be incorrect.
Moreover (and that's the core of the question)...I have 2 PC's at
home with Windows XP Pro Eng.On one (1st) I personally installed
Windows from original OEM CD that I purchased.And the (2nd) machine
I bought with Windows pre-installed,but without sticker on a box
(it did pass though the validation on MS web site).
So what I did was simply compared the string of digits and letters
of both PID's in sys properties.
So the 1st was 55274-OEM-0046506-14728
the 2nd was 55274-640-1953827-23941.
So if you visually COMPARE both numbers,you would see that there's
some hidden meaning behind them.
Well - sort of. It's not really hidden. You just have to be willing to
search for the answer.
http://wiki.djlizard.net/Product_IDs#MPC_list_-_English_locale
So - looking at that - I would say you have a case of what I mentioned
earlier on that second machine. It was installed using a Volume License
installation media - not the OEM media that you were (supposed to be) given.
BECAUSE on the original OEM CD (1st PC) on a COA sticker the BAR
CODE No. is:00045-465-014-728
So if you compare the PID of the 1st with a bar code No. you would
see that it's 90% identical:
00045-465-014-728 and 55274-OEM-0046506-14728 (well the begining is
different,but since 55274 appears on both PC's PID's I would assume
that maybe it's stands for ISRAEL (or world region etc.),so it
doesn't matter.
So maybe someone could demystify the Microsoft misteries?
The web link given above should do some of that.
A
Alon Brodski
Thanks for a explanation!
Actually I erased my unlicensed copy of Windows on my 2nd PC and I'm buying
a new XP Home CD.
So I guess all the info and the utilities could help me in a future when I
would be purchasing 2nd hand systems for my future business.
First,I wouldn't be buying systems without COA and 2nd-I would be making
sure the installed Windows matches the Product Key on a COA.
Though I would still call MS Israel to find out whether it's legal to buy
COA 2nd hand....and then use the Product key with a different installation
CD or to actually get one from them (they said that with a notorized
affidevit they'd mail it to me if the need arises).
Alon
Actually I erased my unlicensed copy of Windows on my 2nd PC and I'm buying
a new XP Home CD.
So I guess all the info and the utilities could help me in a future when I
would be purchasing 2nd hand systems for my future business.
First,I wouldn't be buying systems without COA and 2nd-I would be making
sure the installed Windows matches the Product Key on a COA.
Though I would still call MS Israel to find out whether it's legal to buy
COA 2nd hand....and then use the Product key with a different installation
CD or to actually get one from them (they said that with a notorized
affidevit they'd mail it to me if the need arises).
Alon