Backup to more than one CD

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I'm looking for a CD burn program that will span more than one disk.

I have a set of directories with lots of 1-Meg files in them that all
add up to almost 2 Gigs. I would like to be able to select them all
and have the program prompt me for extra disks instead of just saying
there is too much data for a single disk.

I've already looked at Burn-to-the-Brim but it doesn't like the fact
that some of the directories are HUGE and can't fit on one disk by
themselves. I could probably work out how to use it but would like to
avoid the extra step.

Two "payware" programs I have, WinZip and Roxio, can create "chunks"
that fit on a disk, but I have to use special tools to put them back
together before I can use the data. I know I could just backup to DVD,
but my goal is to create directly readable disks that I can take to an
older machine (that only has a CD) and read files off them quickly.

Any ideas?
 
Eric said:
I'm looking for a CD burn program that will span more than one disk.

I have a set of directories with lots of 1-Meg files in them that all
add up to almost 2 Gigs. I would like to be able to select them all
and have the program prompt me for extra disks instead of just saying
there is too much data for a single disk.

I've already looked at Burn-to-the-Brim but it doesn't like the fact
that some of the directories are HUGE and can't fit on one disk by
themselves. I could probably work out how to use it but would like to
avoid the extra step.

Two "payware" programs I have, WinZip and Roxio, can create "chunks"
that fit on a disk, but I have to use special tools to put them back
together before I can use the data. I know I could just backup to
DVD, but my goal is to create directly readable disks that I can take
to an older machine (that only has a CD) and read files off them
quickly.

Any ideas?

I can think of a couple of programs that will copy uncompressed. The
free one is MOB (My Own Backup) but I don't know if it will notify re
disc size. It will write to CDs but only CD-RW via "packets" (ditto
other programs), using DirectCD which you should have with your Roxio
stuff.
http://vipmeister.com/dl/myownbackup/myownbackup.html

Given the general PITA nature of packet writing, I would be using your
zip program...no big deal to open the zip archive on your other machine.


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I'd suggest looking at freeware backup programs, as the OP indicated.
RE your comment that some of the folders are "HUGE" -- do you mean
Megabyte-wise, or do you mean number-of-files-wise? If the latter, I'd
recommend using a utility to check and be sure that no folder/subfolder
has more than 100 files, which is typically the limit that and one
folder should have. By this I mean that each subfolder, incl the
top-level folder *each* should have no more than 100 files, maximum.
It's often recommended to cut this number down, esp for older systems,
like your "older machine," say to around a max of 40 per folder.

To do a diagnostic on this, if it's a concern, try the freeware version
of TreeSize to get number of folders, files, subfolders, and their
respective file sizes. There are several other freeware utilities that
do a similar function.

If you have folders/subfolders with more than 100 files each, then it
would probably be good to move these to a new folder or subfolder.
There are freeware utilities that can help you out with this also.

Finally, there are a few freeware tools, I think typically called
"optimizers" that work on the principle of the app you mention, "Burn
To The Brim," which calculates best configuration/number of CD's you'll
need to backup your files. It does, as you indicate, take some time to
"master" this app.

Another freeware prog which is very nice is "Ignition."
http://www.kcsoftwares.com/index.php?ignition

There are a couple of others, I think, but I can't recall their names
right now. Also, some CD burners have a similar feature built into
them, telling you how many CD's you'll need for the set of
folders/subfolders you've selected.

Recommended CD burners:

CDBurnerXP
BurnAtOnce
EasyBurning


Again, as the OP indicated, you may want to look at backup solutions
that have CD burning capability as well as just CD burners themselves.
[Some backup progs have burning to CD built in.]

The last one has some very nice features for doing filenames, tho I
haven't tested it out much yet. If you check alt.comp.freeware you'll
find other recommended CD Burners/Backup progs. If you don't have easy
Usenet access, you can always go to groups.google.com, and read/post
thru there.

Finally, if you want to ensure full filename compatability with older
systems, you MAY need to cut your long file names [LFN] down to a max
of 64 characters. A real pain, I know, believe me, as I'm forced into
doing this now myself. The Joliet standard will give you LFN up to 64
characters, meaning the CD's will be readable on an older Win98 pc.

To check for LFN length, use the freeware tool {Long Filename Finder."
http://www.dcsoft.com/products/longff/longff.htm
Simply input your folder/subfolder you're testing, and input the
maximum length you'll accept, like 64 or whatever. [I think there's an
option in LFNFinder to have it do subdirectories - be sure you check
this if you need it.] Then hit the GO key and you'll get a list of
filenames that exceed your spec. You can then go thru the list and
*manually* rename them in the prog. Then, run the app again to be sure.

If you don't care if the LFN text is cut, then you can use any of a
number of freeware file renamers that can truncate names to the length
you specify. Just one of many I can think of right now is Bulk Rename
Utility - very nice, lots of options. Maybe too many for some users.
Several simple renamers can do easy truncation to X number of
characters.

Remember, too, that in your CD burner, you will need to check the
various options for filename length and select those you need.

Generally, 64 filename length will ensure compatability on older
systems back to Win98, maybe Win95 [not sure if the latter]. If you
have a *really, really* old system, then you'll obviously need to go to
olde DOS 8.3 names. [Like for Win 3.1x or DOS.]

One final thing about filenames/renaming. Some older systems won't
recognize files with what they interpret as "weird characters" in
filenames. IE, some older systems have problems with the "[" square
bracket and may change automatically or ask you if you want to rename
to a "(" or a "_" etc. You should be aware of this as well depending on
the nature of your older machine.

Sorry, I've probably gone into too much detail here. Best way is to try
burning a CD with selected files and see if the older system can read
it. You can also install a freeware utility like CDCheck on your older
system to ensure that the burned CD's are readable.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions.

The problem with "backup" programs is that they generally pack the data
somehow so you have to restore all of the disks to get a single file.
I don't want to do that when I just want one picture out of thousands.

Packet writing runs into problems when I go to a new machine that
doesn't have the same packet writing tool installed.

I tried CDBurnerXP, BurnAtOnce, and DeepBurner. They all get upset
when you add more than one CD worth of data and ask you to remove the
extra files before burning. No luck there.

Ignition looked interesting until I found out that you have to add
directories one at a time. If I add a top-level folder like "Picture
Archives" then it tells me that a folder is too big to fit on one disk
(yeah, I know that). Otherwise I have to go and add each second-level
folder (like "2005-01-10 SF Trip" and "2005-01-00 January Pictures").
That would take FOREVER and shift-clicking or control-clicking multiple
folders doesn't work.
 
Yeah, you can try this puppy. Not sure if it does all that you want,
but take a look: http://lars.werner.no/sizeme/

<quote>
SizeMe makes it possible to scan a directory and compare it to how
many floppy/zip/CD-R/DVD-discs you need. It tries to fill each disc up
as much as possible, and gives you the result on each disc.

NEW features!

Context menu handle on every item
Copy, move and delete function on each disc
Each scan is done in only once instance
Also featuring:
Drag'n'Drop support so you can simply drag the Disc into Nero (or any
other preferred burning software) and it will add the maximized disc
Customizes as you select
Context menu handling by right clicking on a drive anywhere in
Explorer
<\quote>
 
Eric said:
I'm looking for a CD burn program that will span more than one disk. [snip]
Two "payware" programs I have, WinZip and Roxio, can create "chunks"
that fit on a disk, but I have to use special tools to put them back
together before I can use the data.

If payware is an option, I can recommend Nero Backitup. Unless you specify
compression, the files are simply burned as-is to the disc, so it is no
problem restoring them without special tools. The only drawback is that the
files are stored with short filenames (i.e. "THISIS~1.EXT" instead of "This
is a long filename.ext"), so if you plan to restore multiple files then you
may need to use Nero to restore. Also, when spanning discs, it seems to cut
files in halves. If you want to restore a file that lands between two discs
I am not sure how you join the two pieces together. It may be just a simple
join operation (i.e. "copy file.piece1 + file.piece2 file"), but I have not
tested, so I can't vouch for it.
 
I'm looking for a CD burn program that will span more than one disk.

I have a set of directories with lots of 1-Meg files in them that all
add up to almost 2 Gigs. I would like to be able to select them all
and have the program prompt me for extra disks instead of just saying
there is too much data for a single disk.

I've already looked at Burn-to-the-Brim but it doesn't like the fact
that some of the directories are HUGE and can't fit on one disk by
themselves. I could probably work out how to use it but would like to
avoid the extra step.

Two "payware" programs I have, WinZip and Roxio, can create "chunks"
that fit on a disk, but I have to use special tools to put them back
together before I can use the data. I know I could just backup to DVD,
but my goal is to create directly readable disks that I can take to an
older machine (that only has a CD) and read files off them quickly.

Any ideas?

When I formatted my hard drive in March, I used a backup program with
"Span Disks" feature.

Back4Win
http://www.back4win.com/b4win.exe

That feature was the main reason I decided to try it.
It worked well for me.
In fact, I wrote a review on the SnapFiles site (Higgy).



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In fact, I wrote a review on the SnapFiles site (Higgy).

Oops, should be AlHigdon. Higgy was taken. :-)


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Thanks to the OP re: SizeMe. Yeah, that was another similar app whose
name I couldn't remember. As far as Ignition, the developer
acknowledges this issue with lots of subfolders. He plans to add this
functionality to a new version.
I haven't used this app much, but am wondering if this remark from the
site's forum may help you?

"I know that i have lots to do in order to make Ignition intuitive to
use... sorry.
Load files / folder that you want to dispatch. Click on optimize. Then
click on burn.
If you load a folder which total size is bigger than a media's size,
you'll have to "ungroup" its content. If you want to "lock" a group of
files / folders together, select then and click on "group"

I really don't know, just suggesting.

As other replies indicate, there are several freeware backup apps that
either backup with no compression and/or offer Zip/RAR-style archiving.
Currently, I'm looking myself at backup solutions for an older pc
[Win98SE] that can backup with no compression & that can do LFN in
excess of 64 characters [Joliet], hoping for 103 char [Long Joliet],
but ideally, 207 chars [ISO Level 4]. Last one may be impossible for
Win98SE, but I'm still investigating.

Best poss I've seen so far is EasyBurning. It has lots of nice options,
incl a simple filename length checker. Developer told me he has burned
CD with Long Joliet on Win98SE "a couple of times," hardly a ringing
endorsement, but we'll see.

Anyway, if you haven't I'd recommend giving this app a whirl:
http://www.paehl-info.de/cdr/easyburning.php

One final thing about esp backup software. Since it sounds like you've
got big folders with lots of files, probably lots of subfolders, some
burners/backup apps won't go below a certain level or a specified
number of files. Typically this is explained in the docs, but it pays
to investigate.

I'll post my comments on my experience with EasyBurning as soon as I do
some tests.
 
Hi!

As the developer of SizeMe I just want to say some words :)
SizeMe isn't suppose to be a "backup util", but a simple list & group
items program. It might be something like a backup program when I
finally get the UDF/ISO support finished, but it takes time. I have to
create it from the scratch, since I haven't found any good sourcecode
for it.

Until then, I will suggest Symantec Ghost as a good backup software. It
handles alot of burners (also external) you can simply extract what you
like afterwards. But it handles only partitions (or complete
harddrives)

Cheers!
Regards
Lars Werner
http://lars.werner.no

BTW: Have you guys tested http://lars.werner.no/unpacker/ ?
 
Amazing how this thread keeps going back to backup programs. They all
have the problem that you have to use their Restore function to get
your data back. While that's fine for certain functions, that's not
what I want here.

I just want something that writes Windows Explorer readable files out
to more than one CD. SizeMe (in combination with some other burner
program) looks the most promissing and I'll keep an eye on it. If Lars
could change how things are added just a little... either add a
"include subdirectories only" option to the "add directory" button like
BurnAtOnce has (where you click on a directory, but it just included
the directories and files IN IT and not the top level one itself) or
fixes the "add files" button so it accepts directories also.

I don't need the "use every byte on the CD" or "use less disks with
encryption" features that backup programs have. What I need is a bunch
of disks I can carry around and say "yes, I have that file" and pop in
a disk that I can read from any program.

Oh well, I'll keep watching the boards.
 
Eric said:
Amazing how this thread keeps going back to backup programs. They all
have the problem that you have to use their Restore function to get
your data back. While that's fine for certain functions, that's not
what I want here.

I just want something that writes Windows Explorer readable files out
to more than one CD.

Easiest thing might be to use a second hard drive. If you don't have
one, you could pick it up at a repair shop...10-40 GB drives are dirt
cheap.

If your cases are such that it is quick and easy to remove a drive you
are home free. If not, there are two things you could do...

1. Use a USB setup such as...
http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CRD101
81
http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=ACC108
10
which would work fine as long as you have USB 2.0. Too slow if not

2. Feed an IDE cable and HDD power connector out through an empty
card slot on the case back so you could easily hook up/disconnect the
drive without the necessity of opening the case.


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