Back up data to USB?

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I've been reading many posts on the different back up SW. Looks like Acronis
is a good one. Is it a good idea to back up to a USB jump drive? I have a
small business with 3 pc's. I'm looking for something simple and automatic so
my partners don't have to touch it (program or any external drive).
Also, I'm not yet familiar with saving images of systems. Will the imaging
be compressed so I can save it to a 2 or 4G jump drive? Or should I save the
program images to a larger externdal HD let frequently as the data?

Thanks for the help,
PR
 
Backing up to a USB is handy since you can keep the drive separate from your
computers. It's a bit slower though. You can make a disc image, but I
would just make a master backup (perhaps once a month) and then incremental
backups daily. I am not a fan of Acronis, but lots of good software is out
there (I got some with my USB drive).
 
Thanks YKW,
That's what i need, is something easy and handy. I don't wan't my partners
to have to deal with plugging in external HD's, nor do I wan't to go to 3
diff pc's everday to run back ups.

PR
 
CLS said:
I've been reading many posts on the different back up SW. Looks like
Acronis
is a good one. Is it a good idea to back up to a USB jump drive? I have a
small business with 3 pc's. I'm looking for something simple and automatic
so
my partners don't have to touch it (program or any external drive).
Also, I'm not yet familiar with saving images of systems. Will the imaging
be compressed so I can save it to a 2 or 4G jump drive? Or should I save
the
program images to a larger externdal HD let frequently as the data?

How much data is on the drives you want to image? The compression ratio
depends on what the data is, but at best you won't get more than a 2:1
ratio, and certain files can't be compressed at all. So the max you would
get on a 4GB USB flash drive is
< 8GB of of actual data.

A flash drive is fine as a secondary means for storing backups of particular
files, but I don't think it's suitable for storing drive images unless the
amount of data is very small, nor would I rely on a USB flash drive as the
only media for the backup of data.

I recommend using a large external drive for storing images. There is no
difference in user interaction between a flash drive or an external hard
drive. You can purchase a preassembled external drive or put one together
quite easily and for much less cost by putting a bare drive in an external
drive enclosure. Enclosures are in the $20 range. The cost for a 320GB
setup, for drive and enclosure, is less than $100 dollars.

For greatest safety you should have redundancy in backups. Software like
Acronis True Image Home version 10 automates the process of imaging. It
also can do file backups and disk cloning.

Anna has posted a very detailed step by step guide to creating images with
Acronis True Image and restoring from those images. Here is a copy of that
post.

"Step-by-Step Instructions for Using the Acronis True Image Program to
Backup
& Restore One's Hard Drive...

Using the Acronis True Image program there are two different approaches one
can take to back up the entire contents of one's day-to-day working HDD,
i.e., the operating system, all programs & applications, and user-created
data - in short, *everything* that's on one's HDD...

1. Direct disk-to-disk cloning, or,
2. Creating disk images

By using either of these strategies the user can restore his or her system
should their day-to-day working HDD become inoperable because of
mechanical/electronic failure of the disk or corruption of the system
resulting in a dysfunctional operating system.

In undertaking either of these two backup & recovery processes you're
dealing with two hard drives - the so-called source & destination disks -
the source disk being the HDD you're backing up and the destination disk
being the HDD that will be the recipient of the cloned contents of the
source disk or the recipient of the disk image you will be creating.

When using either process it's usually best for most users to use an
external HDD as the destination drive, i.e., the recipient of the cloned
contents of the source disk or the recipient of the created disk image. This
can be either a USB or Firewire or SATA external HDD. While another internal
HDD can also serve as the destination disk there's an additional element of
safety in using an external HDD since that drive will be ordinarily
disconnected from the system except during the disk cloning or recovery
process.

One other suggestion. After you install the Acronis program on your computer
it's a good idea to create what Acronis calls their "Bootable Rescue Media"
(CD). In most cases the recovery process (described below) will utilize that
Acronis bootable CD to restore your system. This "rescue" CD is easily
created from the program by clicking on the "Create Bootable Rescue Media"
icon on the opening Acronis screen and simply going through the screens to
create the bootable CD. The following are step-by-step instructions for
using the Acronis True Image 9 program to clone the contents of one HDD to
an external HDD. (The steps are essentially the same using the newer ATI 10
version):

1. With both hard drives (source & destination disks) connected, boot up.
Ensure that no other storage devices, e.g., flash drives, ZIP drives, etc.,
are connected. It's also probably a good idea to shut down any programs you
may have working in the background - including any anti-virus anti-spyware
programs - before undertaking this disk-to-disk cloning operation.

2. Access the Acronis True Image 9 program and under "Pick a Task", click
on "Clone Disk". (In the ATI 10 version click on "Manage Hard Disks" in the
"Pick a Tool" area and on the next screen click on "Clone Disk").

3. On the next "Welcome to the Disk Clone Wizard!" window, click Next.

4. On the next "Clone Mode" window select the Automatic option (it should
be the default option selected) and click Next.

5. On the next "Source Hard Disk" window, ensure that the correct source
HDD (the disk you're cloning from) has been selected (click to highlight).
Click Next.

6. On the next "Destination Hard Disk" window, ensure that the correct
destination HDD (the disk you're cloning to) has been selected (again, click
to highlight). Click Next.

7. On the next window, select the option "Delete partitions on the
destination hard disk". Understand that all data presently on the disk that
will be the recipient of the clone will be deleted prior to the disk cloning
operation. Click Next.

8. The next window will reflect the source and destination disks. Again,
confirm that the correct drives have been selected. Click Next. 9. On the
next window click on the Proceed button. A message box will display
indicating that a reboot will be required to undertake the disk cloning
operation. Click Reboot.

10. The cloning operation will proceed during the reboot. With modern
components and a medium to high-powered processor, data transfer rate will
be somewhere in the range of about 450 MB/min to 800 MB/min when cloning to
a USB external HDD; considerably faster when cloning to another internal
HDD.

11. When the disk cloning operation has been completed, a message will
(usually) appear indicating the disk cloning process has been successful and
instructs you to shut down the computer by pressing any key. Do so and
disconnect your USB external HDD. If, however, the destination drive (the
recipient of the clone) has been another *internal* HDD, see the NOTE below.

12. Note that the cloned contents now residing on the USB external HDD take
on the file system of the source drive. For example, if prior to the
disk-cloning operation your USB external HDD had been FAT32-formatted and
your XP OS was NTFS-formatted, the cloned contents will be NTFS-formatted.
There is no need to format the USB external HDD prior to the disk-cloning
operation. Similarly, there is no need prior to the disk-cloning operation
to format an internal HDD should you be using an internal HDD as the
destination drive .

13. Restoration of the system can be achieved by cloning the contents of the
data residing on the external HDD to an internal HDD through the normal
disk-cloning process as described above.

NOTE: Just one other point that should be emphasized with respect to the
disk cloning operation should the recipient of the clone be another internal
HDD and not a USB or Firewire external HDD. Immediately following the disk
cloning operation the machine should be shutdown and the source HDD should
be disconnected. Boot ONLY to the newly-cloned drive. DO NOT BOOT
IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLONING OPERATION WITH BOTH DRIVES CONNECTED.
There's a strong possibility that by doing so it is likely to cause future
boot problems with the cloned drive. Obviously there is no problem in this
area should a USB or Firewire EHD be the recipient of the clone since that
device is not ordinarily bootable in an XP environment.


Disk Imaging: The following are step-by-step instructions for using the
Acronis True Image 9 Program to create disk images for backup purposes and
using those disk images for recovery of the system. (The steps are
essentially the same using the newer ATI 10 version):

Note: The recipient of the disk image, presumably a USB external HDD or an
internal HDD, ordinarily must be a formatted drive and have a drive letter
assigned to it. Recall that in the case of a disk-to-disk cloning operation
as previously described, an unformatted or "virgin" HDD can be used as the
destination disk.

Before undertaking this disk imaging process it's probably best to close all
programs running in the background including your anti-virus and other
anti-malware programs.

1. With both your source and destination hard drives connected, access the
Acronis program and click "Backup" on main menu.

2. The "Create Backup Wizard" screen opens. Click Next.

3. The "Select Backup Type" screen opens with two options: a. The entire
disk contents or individual partitions. b. Files and folders. Select a. and
click Next.

(In the ATI 10 version four options will be listed: My Computer, My Data, My
Application Settings, and My E-mail. Select the My Computer option and click
Next.)

4. The "Partitions Selection" screen opens. Disk 1 and Disk 2 are listed
with their drive letter designations. Check the disk to be backed up -
presumably Disk 1 - and click Next.

5. An informational message appears recommending an incremental or
differential backup if an original full backup had previously been
created.Since this will be the first backup we will be selecting, just click
OK to close the message box. (You can check the box not to show that
informational message in the future).

6. Next screen is the "Backup Archive Location". In the "File name:" text
box, (in ATI 10 version it's the "Folder:" text box) enter your backup drive
letter and enter a file name for the backup file, e.g., "F:\Backup 1-25".
The Acronis program will automatically append the ".tib" file extension to
the filename. Click Next.

7. "Select Backup Mode" screen opens. Select "Create a new full backup
archive" option and click Next.

8. "Choose Backup Options" screen opens with two options: a. Use default
options b. Set the options manually

If you select the b. option, you can select various options listed on the
next screen. Two of them are of interest to us:

Compression level - Four options - None, Normal (the default), High,
Maximum. There's a "Description" area that shows the estimated size of the
backup archive depending upon the option chosen, and the estimated "creation
time" for each option.

Backup priority - Three options - Low, Normal, or High Low - "backup
processed more slowly, but it will not influence other processes running on
computer."
(Default) Normal - "normal speed but backup process will influence other
processes running on computer." High - "normal speed but backup process will
strongly influence other processes running on computer."

With respect to the compression levels, we've found that when using the
Normal option the original data is compressed by about 20% - 25% and that
the High and Maximum options will result in a compressed backup file only
slightly higher than that. However, the amount of time to create the backup
files when using the High or Maximum compression level is substantially
greater than when using the Normal compression level. So unless disk space
is very tight on the destination drive, i.e., the drive where the backup
file will be saved, we recommend using the Normal compression level (at
least initially).

NOTE: You can set the Compression level and Backup priority defaults from
the Acronis Tools > Options > Default backup options menu items.

9. "Archive comments" screen opens allowing you to add comments to the
backup archive which you can review during the Recovery process. Click Next.

10. The next screen summarizes the backup operation to be performed. Review
the information for correctness and click the Proceed button.

11. The next screen will display status bars reflecting the progress of the
backup operation. After the backup operation finishes, an informational
message will appear indicting the operation was successfully completed.


Incremental Backups (Disk Images)
1. After the initial backup archive has been created you can create
incremental backups reflecting any data changes since the previous backup
operation. This incremental backup process proceeds considerably faster than
the initial backup operation. This, of course, is a major advantage of
creating disk images rather than undertaking the disk-to-disk cloning
process. Then too, since these created disk images are compressed files they
are reasonable in size. And because the incremental disk images can usually
be created very quickly (as compared with the direct disk-to-disk cloning
process), there's an incentive for the user to keep his/her system
up-to-date backup-wise by using this disk imaging process on a more frequent
basis than the disk-cloning process.

Note that you must create the incremental backup files on the same HDD where
you stored the original backup archive and any subsequent incremental backup
files.

2. Access the Acronis program as detailed above and move through the
screens. When you arrive at the "Backup Archive Location" screen, click on
the original backup archive file, or if one or more incremental backup files
were previously created, click on the last incremental backup file and
verify that the correct drive letter and file name are shown in the "File
name:" text box. After clicking Next, the program will automatically create
a file name for the incremental backup archive file, using the original file
name and appending a consecutive number - starting at 2 - at the end of the
file name. For example, say you named the original backup archive file
"Backup 1-25". The first incremental backup file will be automatically named
"Backup 1-252" and the next incremental file "Backup 1-253", etc.

NOTE THAT ALL YOUR INCREMENTAL BACKUP FILES MUST BE PRESENT FOR RECOVERY
PURPOSES. DO NOT DELETE ANY OF YOUR PREVIOUSLY-CREATED INCREMENTAL BACKUP
FILES FOLLOWING THE CREATION OF A CURRENT INCREMENTAL BACKUP FILE. YOU CAN
DELETE THE INCREMENTAL FILES ONLY AFTER CREATING A FULL BACKUP ARCHIVE AS
DESCRIBED IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION.

3. On the following "Select Backup Mode" screen, select the "Create
incremental Backup" option, click Next, and proceed through the screens as
you did in creating the initial backup archive.


Recovery Process (Disk images): We'll assume the recovery will be to either
a non-defective HDD that has become unbootable for one reason or another, or
to a new HDD. The HDD to be restored need not be partitioned/formatted since
the recovery process will take care of that function.

Note that in most cases you will be using the Acronis "bootable rescue
media" (CD) that you created when you originally installed the Acronis
program. If you didn't create that bootable CD at that time, you can create
it now from the Acronis program (assuming You can access the program at this
time) by clicking on the "Create Bootable Rescue Media" icon on the opening
Acronis screen and simply going through the screens to create the bootable
CD.

Note: If the recovery will be made to a HDD that is still bootable and
you're able to access the Acronis program on that drive, then you can
undertake the recovery process without the need for using the "bootable
rescue" CD.

1. With both the drive containing the backup disk images and the drive you
want to restore connected and with the bootable rescue CD inserted, boot up.

2. At the opening screen, click on "Acronis True Image Home (Full Version)".

3. The program will open after some moments. On the "Pick a Task" screen
that opens, click on "Recovery".

4. The "Welcome to the Restore Data Wizard!" screen opens. Click on Next.

5. The "Archive Selection" screen opens. Navigate to the drive containing
the backup archive file(s) and select the last incremental backup file or
the original full backup file if no incremental backup files were
subsequently created. Ensure that the correct drive letter and filename are
entered in the "File name:" text box. Click Next.

6. In the Acronis version 9 program, the "Archive Date Selection" screen
opens. Select (highlight) the last incremental backup file from the listing
and click Next. This screen does not appear in version 10.

7. The "Restoration Type Selection" screen opens. Select the option,
"Restore disks or partitions" and click Next.

8. The "Partition or Disk to Restore" will open. Click on "Disk 1" and click
Next.

9. After some moments the "Restored Hard Disk Drive Location" screen opens.
Select (highlight) the HDD to be restored and click Next.

10. On the next screen select the "Yes" option to delete all current
partitions on the destination HDD. Click Next.

11. On the next screen select the "No" option and click Next.

12. On the next screen you have the option to validate the backup archive
before restoration. Click Next.

13. The final screen before the restoration operation begins will open.
Confirm that the information as shown is correct. Click Proceed.

14. Click OK when following completion of the recovery operation a message
appears indicating a successful recovery operation.

15. Remove the Acronis bootable rescue CD and close the Acronis program. The
system will reboot. A Windows "Found New Hardware" message followed by the
"System Settings Change" message box may appear on the Desktop. If they do,
click Yes for a reboot.

Note: While the Acronis program is not designed to clone individual
partitions - it can clone only the entire contents of one HDD to another
HDD - you can backup & recover individual partitions through the disk
imaging process as described above.
Anna "
 
You are not going to get the average installation, with data and programs,
on a flash drive.
 
CLS said:
Thanks YKW,
That's what i need, is something easy and handy. I don't wan't my partners
to have to deal with plugging in external HD's, nor do I wan't to go to 3
diff pc's everday to run back ups.


CLS:
First of all, forget about using the Acronis True Image program (or for that
matter any disk cloning/disk imaging program) for backups to flash (jump)
drives - even those flash drives having substantially greater capacity than
the 2 or 4 GB models you've mentioned. I'm assuming that your objective is
to create routine backups that will be comprehensive in nature, i.e., that
will back up your operating system, all programs & applications and, of
course, user-created data. In effect a copy of your day-to-day working HDD.
That's what you want right? And a program like Acronis *is* ideal for that
purpose.

But while a disk cloning/disk imaging program is ideal to meet that
objective, it is fundamentally designed to create those kind of backups to
another HDD - internal or external. Obviously that is probably clear to you
should you be using the program for cloning the contents of one HDD to its
destination drive.

But even if you were using the program's disk imaging backup capability
instead of its disk cloning function - for all practical purposes you would
still need a HDD to serve as the destination for the disk images (both the
original image and the subsequent incremental images). While there would be
some disk compression it would be in the order of 20% to 25% based upon our
experience. Not a heck of lot in most cases. Surely not enough to consider
today's flash drives for this purpose unless the contents of your source
drive are miniscule.

Acronis does have what they call a "scheduled tasks" capability. It's not
quite the "automatic" feature I think you're looking for, but it might meet
your needs. As you probably know Acronis does have a trial version available
so you could try it out to determine if the program does meet your basic
needs.
Anna
 
Think Rock said that in so many words, Mr. delete the entire post, including
the part you're replying to. Bottom posters are losers.
Dave

Telstar said:
You are not going to get the average installation, with data and programs,
on a flash drive.

Think Rock said that in so many words, Mr. delete the entire post, including
the part you're replying to. Top posters never win.
Dave
 
Thanks all,
After digesting all of your info and other threads, what about this: do a
back up image of our entire HDs every few days/weeks on a large exteranl HD
(which I already own) and do a daily back up of MY DOCUMENTS on a USB flash
drive. Two of our machines have all the important data and documents stored
in MY DOCUMENTS. The 3rd machine is mainly used for Quickbooks, which I
already have backed up daily.
Thanks for everybody's help,
PR
 
Thanks all,
After digesting all of your info and other threads, what about this: do a
back up image of our entire HDs every few days/weeks on a large exteranl
HD
(which I already own) and do a daily back up of MY DOCUMENTS on a USB
flash
drive. Two of our machines have all the important data and documents
stored
in MY DOCUMENTS. The 3rd machine is mainly used for Quickbooks, which I
already have backed up daily.
Thanks for everybody's help,

<snip>

You're welcome.
 
I've been reading many posts on the different back up SW. Looks like Acronis
is a good one. Is it a good idea to back up to a USB jump drive? I have a
small business with 3 pc's. I'm looking for something simple and automatic so
my partners don't have to touch it (program or any external drive).
Also, I'm not yet familiar with saving images of systems. Will the imaging
be compressed so I can save it to a 2 or 4G jump drive? Or should I save the
program images to a larger externdal HD let frequently as the data?

Thanks for the help,
PR

If your PCs are networked, you can backup over the LAN. I don't
backup the entire drive although you can using Ghost or something
similar. I backup my system soon after the initial installation, then
just backup certain folders that contain the data I can not afford to
lose. Jump drives are getting larger and larger, plus faster and
faster, although tapes can take more volume. Buy a backup utility and
write a backup schedule and stick to it. Backups should be easy and
automated as possible. Store a backup off site.
 
Question: Does Acronis Home edition allow backups to be placed on another
machine on the network? Or does some other Acronis product do that? I ask
because I think the simplest way to idiot-proof the OP's situation would be
to get an older, used machine, install whatever OS it will support (XP,
preferably), put in as big a drive as it will support and use that for
backing up over the network (assuming one exists.) Saves having to
repeatedly connect and disconnect the USB drive for each machine.
 
Gary S. Terhune said:
Question: Does Acronis Home edition allow backups to be placed on another
machine on the network? Or does some other Acronis product do that? I ask
because I think the simplest way to idiot-proof the OP's situation would
be to get an older, used machine, install whatever OS it will support (XP,
preferably), put in as big a drive as it will support and use that for
backing up over the network (assuming one exists.) Saves having to
repeatedly connect and disconnect the USB drive for each machine.
"Rock" wrote

Gary,

ATI Home will image to network share. It has to be run from the computer
you're backing up, though. Now if you want to put ATI on a networked
computer and use that to backup all the other computers, ATI workstation is
needed. It's not that much more expensive, though. Directly from Acronis
Home is $49.99, and Workstation is $79.99.

Good point, somehow I didn't even think about the network aspect. Where was
my brain, eh (don't answer that)?
 

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