Any known issues withsp2 and non-sp xp ics?

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Hello all
Any known issues with a xpsp2 client and non-spxp host networking/ics?

Thanks.
M.
 
mtnk said:
Hello all
Any known issues with a xpsp2 client and non-spxp host networking/ics?

Thanks.
M.
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Sorry, but I don't know what "non-spxp" means. A computer running XP
SP2 should network fine with an ICS host running Windows 98SE, Me,
2000, or any version of XP. Does that answer your question?

Are you having issues?
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Thanks for that Steve,
what i meant was just a pc running xp without any service pack.
yes i'm having issues..thanks..
After updating the client with sp2.I have tried a lot of the things
mentioned here and else where. Commandline options to reset etc.Uninstalling
all protocols on both and installing again.I have disabled 1394 atm.
I have cable internet with cross-over connection to other pc.Host is
connected via usb with modem.NAV06 and xp firewalss are disabled.
Should i upgrade host aswell with sp2?Dont wanna loose connection on that
but..What could be missing?
Thanks.
M.
 
mtnk said:
Thanks for that Steve,
what i meant was just a pc running xp without any service pack.
yes i'm having issues..thanks..
After updating the client with sp2.I have tried a lot of the things
mentioned here and else where. Commandline options to reset etc.Uninstalling
all protocols on both and installing again.I have disabled 1394 atm.
I have cable internet with cross-over connection to other pc.Host is
connected via usb with modem.NAV06 and xp firewalss are disabled.
Should i upgrade host aswell with sp2?Dont wanna loose connection on that
but..What could be missing?
Thanks.
M.
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You're welcome, M. I would certainly upgrade the host with SP2, even
if there were no issues. An XP computer without any service packs has
dozens of security vulnerabilities that the service packs have fixed.

I'm sorry, but I don't know what issues you're having, so I can't say
how to fix them. You've told us what you tried that didn't fix them,
but I don't see a description of what's actually wrong. If you'll
give details, including what works, what doesn't work, and the
complete text of all error messages, I'm sure that someone can help.
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Well currently i got a
1394 Connection-disabled,bridged,
Local Area Connection,Enabled,bridged(NIC),
Local Area Connection4,Enabled,Shared(Cable-Modem),
and network bridge15,enabled.
Host works fine, properties of NIC: General: Connected, Support: all
unavailable.
properties of lac4:General:
Connected(sent/received:yes), Support: assigned by dhcp,ip address:yes,
subnet mask:255.255.255.0,gateway:yes.
properties of bridge: General:connected,
sent:some,received:none, Support: addr type: Automatic Private address,ip
address:yes , subnet mask:255.255.0.0 , gateway:none.
error msg: "couldnt renew ip address for network bridge."
What do ya say, seems something is blocking the connection..

Thanks.
M.
 
The config in the previous post was for the host installed with modem: Client
for ms networks, file and printer sharing, tcp/ip. Bridge: Local area
connection,1394 connection.

The config for the client is: On the Client side i have: lac5 connected(nic)
Properties are: General: status-connected, sent-some, received-none.
Support: Adr type: Automatic private address, ip
address:yes, subnet mask:255.255.0.0, default gateway: none.
error msg: cant renew ip address.
I have client for ms networks enabled and internet protocol(tcp/ip) enabled:
obtain automaic all.

Thanks.
 
mtnk said:
Well currently i got a
1394 Connection-disabled,bridged,
Local Area Connection,Enabled,bridged(NIC),
Local Area Connection4,Enabled,Shared(Cable-Modem),
and network bridge15,enabled.
Host works fine, properties of NIC: General: Connected, Support: all
unavailable.
properties of lac4:General:
Connected(sent/received:yes), Support: assigned by dhcp,ip address:yes,
subnet mask:255.255.255.0,gateway:yes.
properties of bridge: General:connected,
sent:some,received:none, Support: addr type: Automatic Private address,ip
address:yes , subnet mask:255.255.0.0 , gateway:none.
error msg: "couldnt renew ip address for network bridge."
What do ya say, seems something is blocking the connection..

Thanks.
M.
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This should get things working:

1. Right-click and delete the network bridge. You don't need it, and
it could be causing problems.

2. Un-share and re-share Local Area Connection 4.

3. Check the properties of Local Area Connection. It should show:

IP Address: 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: none
DNS Server: none
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mtnk said:
The config in the previous post was for the host installed with modem: Client
for ms networks, file and printer sharing, tcp/ip. Bridge: Local area
connection,1394 connection.

The config for the client is: On the Client side i have: lac5 connected(nic)
Properties are: General: status-connected, sent-some, received-none.
Support: Adr type: Automatic private address, ip
address:yes, subnet mask:255.255.0.0, default gateway: none.
error msg: cant renew ip address.
I have client for ms networks enabled and internet protocol(tcp/ip) enabled:
obtain automaic all.

Thanks.
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Make the host changes that I described in another message. Then,
disable and enable the Local Area Connection on the client and check
its properties. It should show:

IP Address: 192.168.0.x (1<x<255)
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DNS Server = 192.168.0.1
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Thanks for your continuous help Steve,
I havent uodated host with sp2 yet, but disabled LAC and couldn't enable it.
err msg:enabling connection, connection failed!
 
deleted network bridge and re-shared LAC4.

In this reply if you meant the properties of the LAC on Host then they are
different to what you have mentioned.
My ip address starts with 58.107.xxx.xxx
subnet mask 255.255.255.0
default gateway similar to i.p..
a friend, having similar problems, uninstalled sp2 and worked for him.Should
i?
Thanks.
 
mtnk said:
deleted network bridge and re-shared LAC4.
Good.

In this reply if you meant the properties of the LAC on Host then they are
different to what you have mentioned.
My ip address starts with 58.107.xxx.xxx
subnet mask 255.255.255.0
default gateway similar to i.p..
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That looks like the properties for the Internet connection, which (if
I understand correctly) is LAC4 (Cable-Modem). Check the properties
of LAC (NIC). They should be as I showed above.
a friend, having similar problems, uninstalled sp2 and worked for him.Should
i?
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I wouldn't. SP2 fixes numerous critical security vulnerabilities, and
ICS works fine in SP2. It would be better to get ICS working with
SP2.
Thanks.
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You're welcome.
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mtnk said:
Thanks for your continuous help Steve,
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You're welcome.
I havent uodated host with sp2 yet, but disabled LAC and couldn't enable it.
err msg:enabling connection, connection failed!
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This is happening on the client, right? Reboot the client and check
its LAC properties.

BTW, we have to fix any problems on the host computer before the
client will be able to work right.
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Re:
I havent uodated host with sp2 yet, but disabled LAC and couldn't enable it.
err msg:enabling connection, connection failed!
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its LAC properties.

Yes, the client. Rebooted properties are at end of message.

Steve Winograd said:
That looks like the properties for the Internet connection, which (if
I understand correctly) is LAC4 (Cable-Modem). Check the properties
of LAC (NIC). They should be as I showed above.
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Ok LAC (NIC) on host didnt have gateway and dns , so i put the ones you
mentioned.But then i lost connection with those settings, so i removed
gateway and dns..
Now they are:
Address type: Manually Configured
IP Address: 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway:
DNS Server:

And properties of Client, which is LAC5 now,which i couldn't enable
yesterday, are:
ip:192.168.0.1xx
subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
default gateway: 192.168.0.1

What a waste of time isn't it?
Thanks again Steve.
Regards,
M.
 
mtnk said:
Re:
I havent uodated host with sp2 yet, but disabled LAC and couldn't enable it.
its LAC properties.

Yes, the client. Rebooted properties are at end of message.

Ok LAC (NIC) on host didnt have gateway and dns , so i put the ones you
mentioned.But then i lost connection with those settings, so i removed
gateway and dns..
Now they are:
Address type: Manually Configured
IP Address: 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway:
DNS Server:

And properties of Client, which is LAC5 now,which i couldn't enable
yesterday, are:
ip:192.168.0.1xx
subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
default gateway: 192.168.0.1

What a waste of time isn't it?
Thanks again Steve.
Regards,
M.
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I'm sorry, but I'm getting confused about which properties are on the
client and which are on the host So let me give them again.

Host: don't assign any TCP/IP properties manually! If you have,
un-share and re-share the Internet connection. That will
automatically assign these values to the LAC that connects to the
client:

IP Address: 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: none
DNS Server: none

Client: If you assign TCP/IP properties manually, make all of these
settings:

IP Address: 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DNS Server: 192.168.0.1 or your ISP's DNS server
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Morning Steve,
after giving up on it for a week, here i am again, sorry steve,
re: Host: don't assign any TCP/IP properties manually! If you have,
un-share and re-share the Internet connection.
done

That will automatically assign these values to the LAC that connects to the
client:

IP Address: 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: none
DNS Server: none
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done, this is the lac that connects the computer's not the properties of
lac4 which is the modem.Also in Advanced>WINS properties should i enable
"enable netbios over tcp/ip"?Its on default. Also I have the following in the
lac properties: File and printer sharing for MS Networks and internet
protocol(tcp/ip) ticked.
Client: If you assign TCP/IP properties manually, make all of these
settings:

IP Address: 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DNS Server: 192.168.0.1 or your ISP's DNS server
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done except dns, as my isp is configured to use DHCP (Dynamic Host
Configuration
Protocol) so i do not need to set a specific DNS address - only set my
computer to automatically obtain the DNS settings.

"Please note that your internet connection will not function correctly if
you do not do this." I was told.

After doing the above changes to the client, the network icon changes and
says something like connecting or binding etc.
But nothing.
No request is even sent when i look at the two little screens.

Could it be anything basic?I'll try using the cable on diff. machine.
Thanks.
 
mtnk said:
Morning Steve,
after giving up on it for a week, here i am again, sorry steve,
re: Host: don't assign any TCP/IP properties manually! If you have,
done, this is the lac that connects the computer's not the properties of
lac4 which is the modem.Also in Advanced>WINS properties should i enable
"enable netbios over tcp/ip"?Its on default. Also I have the following in the
lac properties: File and printer sharing for MS Networks and internet
protocol(tcp/ip) ticked.


done except dns, as my isp is configured to use DHCP (Dynamic Host
Configuration
Protocol) so i do not need to set a specific DNS address - only set my
computer to automatically obtain the DNS settings.

"Please note that your internet connection will not function correctly if
you do not do this." I was told.

After doing the above changes to the client, the network icon changes and
says something like connecting or binding etc.
But nothing.
No request is even sent when i look at the two little screens.

Could it be anything basic?I'll try using the cable on diff. machine.
Thanks.
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Your ISP's advice doesn't apply to the ICS client computer. The
client gets its Internet access from the host computer, not from the
ISP.

It's best to configure the client to obtain an IP address and DNS
server automatically. The host computer will provide the values.

If you configure the client manually, you MUST make all of these
settings:

IP Address: 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DNS Server: 192.168.0.1 or your ISP's DNS server
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The cable is good steve i connected it with a notebook.
So here are the new messages:

status: limited or no connnectivity
you might not be able to access the internet or some resources.This problem
occured because the network did not assign a network address to the computer.
repair: windows could not finish rewpairing beacause following action cannot
be completed:"renewing your ip address".
ip address: 192.254.21.6
sm: 255.255.0.0
dg:blank
dns:blank
winns:blank
Using the details you gave:
"the ip address you have entered for this network adapter is allready
assigned to another adapter 'realtek...''realtek ethernet adapter' is hidden
from the network connections folder because it is not physically in the
computer. if the same address is assigned to both adapters and they both
become active, only one of them will use this address. This may result in
incorrect system configuration.

the adapter is there, i uninstalled and installed it again, the computer
found it.
should i uninstall norton or sp2?
Thanks and sorry for the hassle.
Regards,
M.
 
mtnk said:
The cable is good steve i connected it with a notebook.
So here are the new messages:

status: limited or no connnectivity
you might not be able to access the internet or some resources.This problem
occured because the network did not assign a network address to the computer.
repair: windows could not finish rewpairing beacause following action cannot
be completed:"renewing your ip address".
ip address: 192.254.21.6
sm: 255.255.0.0
dg:blank
dns:blank
winns:blank
Using the details you gave:
"the ip address you have entered for this network adapter is allready
assigned to another adapter 'realtek...''realtek ethernet adapter' is hidden
from the network connections folder because it is not physically in the
computer. if the same address is assigned to both adapters and they both
become active, only one of them will use this address. This may result in
incorrect system configuration.

the adapter is there, i uninstalled and installed it again, the computer
found it.
should i uninstall norton or sp2?
Thanks and sorry for the hassle.
Regards,
M.
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I assume that you're referring to the client computer, and that its IP
address begins with 169.254, not with 192.254.

From the duplicate IP address message, I suspect that the Realtek
Ethernet adapter was once removed from the computer or moved from one
slot to another without telling Device Manager to un-install it first.

Follow the instructions in the "Workaround" section of this Microsoft
Knowledge Base article. At step 4, un-install all entries under
"Network Adapters".

Device Manager does not display devices that are not connected to the
Windows XP-based computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315539/en-us

Then, reboot the computer and so that it re-installs the Realtek
Ethernet adapter:
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Here you go mate: I noticed realtek was there about 4 times, so i uninstalled
them, the following i couldn't:
Failed to uninstall the device. The device may be required to boot up the
computer.
Network Adapters:
WAN Miniport (PPTP)
WAN Miniport (PPPOE)
WAN Miniport (L2TP)
WAN Miniport (IP) - Packet Scheduler Miniport
WAN Miniport (IP)
Realtek
RAS Async Adapter
MS TV/Video Connection
MS Tun Mimiport Adapter #2
MS Tun Mimiport Adapter
Direct Parallel

After Restart:
Connection status: Limited or no Connectivity
When i click on Details on the LAC13 status:
ip: 169.254.21.6
s/m:255.255.0.0
d/g:blank
dns:blank
wins:blank

after manually entering the values you gave me in the properties tab of the
same connection:

It shows the ip/s.m and d/g you mentioned. Status: connected. But still no
response sent or received.
Will i be able to uninstall the other entries in safe mode?Is the NIC still
good?
Thanks for the continued support.
Regards,
M.
 
mtnk said:
Here you go mate: I noticed realtek was there about 4 times, so i uninstalled
them, the following i couldn't:
Failed to uninstall the device. The device may be required to boot up the
computer.
Network Adapters:
WAN Miniport (PPTP)
WAN Miniport (PPPOE)
WAN Miniport (L2TP)
WAN Miniport (IP) - Packet Scheduler Miniport
WAN Miniport (IP)
Realtek
RAS Async Adapter
MS TV/Video Connection
MS Tun Mimiport Adapter #2
MS Tun Mimiport Adapter
Direct Parallel

After Restart:
Connection status: Limited or no Connectivity
When i click on Details on the LAC13 status:
ip: 169.254.21.6
s/m:255.255.0.0
d/g:blank
dns:blank
wins:blank

after manually entering the values you gave me in the properties tab of the
same connection:

It shows the ip/s.m and d/g you mentioned. Status: connected. But still no
response sent or received.
Will i be able to uninstall the other entries in safe mode?Is the NIC still
good?
Thanks for the continued support.
Regards,
M.
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The other entries are OK, and you shouldn't delete them. Deleting the
multiple Realtek entries was all that was needed.

I'm sorry, but I don't know what the problem is now. Perhaps the
Realtek Ethernet adapter is defective and needs to be replaced.
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