Adding 200 GB Western Digital drive to machine

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I have just added a 200 GB Western Digital hard drive to my machine. I tried
using EZDrive to set it up and it tells me my Bios won't support the drive. I
tried updating my bios and it is the same. Is my problem with my motherboard
or with Windows XP Pro?
 
Windows XP can handle virtually any size hard drive.
Apparently, you'll need to purchase a new modern motherboard
that is designed to accommodate a 200GB hard drive.

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| I have just added a 200 GB Western Digital hard drive to my machine. I tried
| using EZDrive to set it up and it tells me my Bios won't support the drive. I
| tried updating my bios and it is the same. Is my problem with my motherboard
| or with Windows XP Pro?
| --
| Glenn
 
ok listen ....

read this article

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013

You have to have an 48 bit lba capable bios
you have to have SP1 at least installed
you have to run the western digital software to install the drive, format
and partition it.

But there are some people here that have said that it will work even if your
bios is not
48bit lba.

So download/install everest home (
http://www.lavalys.com/products/overview.php?pid=1&lang=en&pageid=1 )
to find your motherboard and exact bios version/date
and send an email or call the support of your motherboard and ask them if:

a) your current bios supports disks larger than 137 gb
b)(if not then) if there is an update that will enable this

there is also a registry tweak you must do for windows to "see" larger
drives than 137 gb.

I used the enable large drive utility from maxtor on my 200 gb drive.

perhaps western digital has a similar program or you may have to do the
registry editing by yourself

How old is your bios?

Post here and lets see....
 
Wrong.
windows without SP1 cannot handle any hard disk.
there is a 137 barrier.. and even with SP1 or 2 you need to
enable large disks
 
Wrong.
windows without SP1 cannot handle any hard disk.
there is a 137 barrier.. and even with SP1 or 2 you need to
enable large disks

"How to enable 48-bit Logical Block Addressing support for ATAPI disk
drives in Windows XP"
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q303013

<Quote>
"Windows XP SP1 includes 48-bit LBA support for ATAPI disk drives. With
this support, you can use hard disks that are larger than the current
137 GB limit. _By_default, _support_is_enabled_in_SP1_."
</Quote>
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The BIOS is part of the motherboard and not a part of Windows. If you are
being told that the BIOS doesn't recognize the drive then it is your
hardware not Windows that is the problem.

As an aside note that while Windows XP with SP1 or SP2 will partition and
format a drive as large as yours the original version of XP (version 2600)
has a 137 GB limit
http://york.gose.org/pipermail/yorkcc/2003-December/000075.html .

If you have an original version of XP then you should create a slipstream
with either SP1 or SP2 embedded
http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/slipstream.htm
 
Ron Sommer said:
Buy a PCI card to connect the new hard drive.


Wrong.
windows without SP1 cannot handle any hard disk.
there is a 137 barrier.. and even with SP1 or 2 you need to
enable large disks


Mikhail Zhilin writes...
"How to enable 48-bit Logical Block Addressing support for ATAPI disk
drives in Windows XP"
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q303013

<Quote>
"Windows XP SP1 includes 48-bit LBA support for ATAPI disk drives. With
this support, you can use hard disks that are larger than the current
137 GB limit. _By_default, _support_is_enabled_in_SP1_."
</Quote>
--
Mikhail Zhilin
http://www.aha.ru/~mwz


From Harry Ohrn...
The BIOS is part of the motherboard and not a part of Windows. If you are
being told that the BIOS doesn't recognize the drive then it is your
hardware not Windows that is the problem.

As an aside note that while Windows XP with SP1 or SP2 will partition and
format a drive as large as yours the original version of XP (version 2600)
has a 137 GB limit
http://york.gose.org/pipermail/yorkcc/2003-December/000075.html .

If you have an original version of XP then you should create a slipstream
with either SP1 or SP2 embedded
http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/slipstream.htm

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Glenn:
There's been so much distortion and out-and-out misinformation on this
subject it makes one want to cry. For reasons that I and others have never
understood, Microsoft did not provide support for large-capacity disks,
i.e., disks whose capacity exceeded 137 GB, when the original version of XP
was released. This was so even if the motherboard's BIOS supported
large-capacity disks. When SP1 and/or SP2 is installed, the operating system
will recognize large-capacity disks.

There are two basic requirements for Windows XP to recognize the full
capacity of large-capacity drives, i.e., drives having a capacity greater
than 137 GB...
1. Your mainboard's BIOS must support large-capacity disks, and,
2. SP1 and/or SP2 has been installed.

If you install your 200 GB drive in XP that has not been upgraded with
SP1/SP2, then the OS will recognize only 137 GB (approx.) of that drive.
This is so even if your motherboard's BIOS supports large-capacity disks. If
you subsequently install SP1/SP2, then the full capacity of the disk will be
recognized; however, the remaining disk capacity of the drive above 137 GB
will be reflected as "unallocated space", which of course you can format. So
in that situation two partitions will be created, the original 137 GB and
the remaining disk space. Note how this differs if you install the 200 GB
drive at a time when the XP OS includes SP1/SP2. In that situation the full
capacity of the disk will be recognized and you can have a single partition
if that's your desire.

Note that in every case your motherboard's BIOS must support large-capacity
disks. In the event your motherboard does not support large-drive
capability, you can purchase a controller card such as the Promise ULTRA133
TX2 to support this capability. They're not terribly expensive, running
about $35.

You mentioned the EZDrive program provided by Western Digital. This is a
so-called "overlay program". I strongly recommend that you do not use an
overlay program. Without going into a technical discourse on the subject, I
can assure you that by-and-by they're sure to cause problems. I'm virtually
certain that anyone who has worked on computers over the years will give you
the same advice. In your case the issue is moot since your motherboard's
BIOS does not support large-disk capability.

The Microsoft article you were referred to (303013) affects a tiny number of
cases involving an older version of the Atapi.sys file that may cause a
problem with the OS recognizing large-capacity drives. It has no relevance
to your situation.
Art
 
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Glenn said:
I have just added a 200 GB Western Digital hard drive to my
machine. I
tried using EZDrive to set it up and it tells me my Bios won't
support the drive. I tried updating my bios and it is the same.
Is my
problem with my motherboard or with Windows XP Pro?


You need to things to support a drive over 137GB: a BIOS that
supports it, and at least SP1 of Windows XP.

Just because you upgraded your BIOS doesn't mean that the new
version supports the drive. The vendor has to have a version with
the appropriate support and you have to have upgraded, not to any
version, but that one. Did you check what you upgraded to?

What level is your XP at; again, it has to be at least SP1.
 
=?Utf-8?B?R2xlbm4=?= said:
I have just added a 200 GB Western Digital hard drive to my machine. I tried
using EZDrive to set it up and it tells me my Bios won't support the drive. I
tried updating my bios and it is the same. Is my problem with my motherboard
or with Windows XP Pro?

Updating your bios wont solve a hard drive limitation UNLESS it
specifically says that the update will address that SPECIFIC problem.
Your're lucky.
 
Kenny said:
he should try all other alternatives first. PCI cards are not the best
solution!

PCI cards are the safest solution. Safer then a bios flash. Plus, you
get to add more hard drives than your motherboard supports :)
 
Ken said:
Using drive overlay software is the worst possible solution to
the problem. It's a bandaid approach that often introduces extra
problems of its own.

Overlay ware is the LAST resort. Luckily, it's more reliable these days
than in previous years. Still, I'd spend the money for a card before I'd
go for it.
 
there are issues about having a boot drive connected to a PCI card.
Plus its the extra cost. He should see if he can do the job with what he has
(I think he will be able to), and as a last resort then go for a pci card.
 
I think that if there is a new version of a bios it would support 48 bit
LBA.
Depends on how new is the bios.
 
1) It was never mentioned to use the drive as a boot drive, so that is not
an issue.
2) The last resort would be using a drive overlay program.
 
Ron:
While it is true that the OP didn't specifically state he intends to use his
new WD 200 GB HD as his boot drive, it's a reasonable presumption to draw
that conclusion. But that's not really the issue here. His problem is that
his XP system doesn't recognize the large-capacity drive. Previous responses
(including mine) have discussed the issue in detail.

I do not believe that using a drive overlay program (such as the WD EZDrive
program the OP mentioned) should be used under any circumstances. As I, and
others have pointed out, these drive overlay programs are virtually certain
to cause future grief because of their proprietary coding when they modify
the MBR. Anyone who has worked on computers over the years can attest to the
fact that these drive overlay programs are a curse. And they are certainly
useless in an XP environment. If the user's motherboard's BIOS does not
support large-capacity disks, i.e., drives > 137 GB, the only practical
solution is the one I previously mentioned - install a controller card such
as the Promise ULTRA133
TX2 to support this capability. They are generally reasonably priced,
running about $35. They're simple to install and they're effective. I've
installed scores of these controller cards over the years and rarely have
run into a problem that could be traced to the card.
Art
 

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