A real headache with setting up my wired LAN!!!

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Hi,

I am setting up a wired network i have cat5e cable, 1 switch, 3 computers
and 1 internet modem(with ethernet connection). My idea was to wire the
internet modem into the switch and then spread internet connection across the
network. So I started with the network first wired up all the patch cables
fine (not crossed) and then plugged them into to switch and PC. Fired it all
up and nothing!! Windows can not auto detect ip addresses on any computer yet
you can setup a LAN game, this says to me that packets are been sent and
recived fine, but windows will not work with it. I hope this is making
sense..???

In short i can play games against each computer but not share files or get
computers to talk to each other in windows.

I tried manual config of the ip addresses this seemed to work but only one
computer can see all and can not connect to them, although i am not good at
configering Ip addresses.

I have given up and I am yet to start with the modem!! If this makes sense
to anyone then please give a suggestion...

All network adaptors are new and working fine and i disabled all
secuirty/firewalls aswell to see if it was that.

Why wont windows talk to windows... One PC is win xp pro sp2 and the others
home edition.
 
I would suspect you need a router, not a switch, to connect your computers
and properly configure a local area network. Right now each PC is getting
an IP address from your ISP and none of them can talk to each other, though
they can see the Internet. A router will put all the computers into the
same address range and they'll be fine then.

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Ok thanks.

Im confused i thought without the internet involed a switch would work if
you configer the ips manually. I will look into a router tho.

--
Liam Glanfield


Richard G. Harper said:
I would suspect you need a router, not a switch, to connect your computers
and properly configure a local area network. Right now each PC is getting
an IP address from your ISP and none of them can talk to each other, though
they can see the Internet. A router will put all the computers into the
same address range and they'll be fine then.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Sunwise said:
Hi,

I am setting up a wired network i have cat5e cable, 1 switch, 3 computers
and 1 internet modem(with ethernet connection). My idea was to wire the
internet modem into the switch and then spread internet connection across
the
network. So I started with the network first wired up all the patch cables
fine (not crossed) and then plugged them into to switch and PC. Fired it
all
up and nothing!! Windows can not auto detect ip addresses on any computer
yet
you can setup a LAN game, this says to me that packets are been sent and
recived fine, but windows will not work with it. I hope this is making
sense..???

In short i can play games against each computer but not share files or get
computers to talk to each other in windows.

I tried manual config of the ip addresses this seemed to work but only one
computer can see all and can not connect to them, although i am not good
at
configering Ip addresses.

I have given up and I am yet to start with the modem!! If this makes sense
to anyone then please give a suggestion...

All network adaptors are new and working fine and i disabled all
secuirty/firewalls aswell to see if it was that.

Why wont windows talk to windows... One PC is win xp pro sp2 and the
others
home edition.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Generally an IP will only let you connect one computer to it's network -
using the switch makes it appear that there's 3 computers attached. The
router will use it's MAC address to connect - and then will spread the
connection out for the PC's.

- John
 
I doubt it, since manually configured IP addresses may or may not work
within the address range your ISP is assigning.

Another good reason to get a router is that at this moment, with the
configuration you have, all your computers are being directly exposed to the
Internet for any passing hacker, cracker or just plain bad guy to see. A
router will provide isolation for your computers.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
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Sunwise said:
Ok thanks.

Im confused i thought without the internet involed a switch would work if
you configer the ips manually. I will look into a router tho.

--
Liam Glanfield


Richard G. Harper said:
I would suspect you need a router, not a switch, to connect your
computers
and properly configure a local area network. Right now each PC is
getting
an IP address from your ISP and none of them can talk to each other,
though
they can see the Internet. A router will put all the computers into the
same address range and they'll be fine then.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Sunwise said:
Hi,

I am setting up a wired network i have cat5e cable, 1 switch, 3
computers
and 1 internet modem(with ethernet connection). My idea was to wire the
internet modem into the switch and then spread internet connection
across
the
network. So I started with the network first wired up all the patch
cables
fine (not crossed) and then plugged them into to switch and PC. Fired
it
all
up and nothing!! Windows can not auto detect ip addresses on any
computer
yet
you can setup a LAN game, this says to me that packets are been sent
and
recived fine, but windows will not work with it. I hope this is making
sense..???

In short i can play games against each computer but not share files or
get
computers to talk to each other in windows.

I tried manual config of the ip addresses this seemed to work but only
one
computer can see all and can not connect to them, although i am not
good
at
configering Ip addresses.

I have given up and I am yet to start with the modem!! If this makes
sense
to anyone then please give a suggestion...

All network adaptors are new and working fine and i disabled all
secuirty/firewalls aswell to see if it was that.

Why wont windows talk to windows... One PC is win xp pro sp2 and the
others
home edition.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Ok thanks.

Im confused i thought without the internet involed a switch would work if
you configer the ips manually. I will look into a router tho.
Click to expand...

Your problem is that the ISP is only allowing ONE IP address to the Internet
modem. Since you are trying to set up more than one PC, you need a router.
The Internet modem will still receive the ONE IP address from your ISP but the
Internet router will/should be assigning additional private network IP
addresses to all the PCs you connect to it. The private IP addresses are IP
addresses that will not be seen off the Internet directly.
 
Sunwise said:
Ok thanks.

Im confused i thought without the internet involed a switch would work if
you configer the ips manually. I will look into a router tho.
Click to expand...

there's a lot of misinformation out there about routers switches
e.t.c..

Post the exact model of what you are calling a switch, the box you
have.

Maybe it is a 'home router' which is fine, it'd mean you haven't
configured it properly. they contain a switch and modem.
 
usasma said:
Generally an IP will only let you connect one computer to it's network -
using the switch makes it appear that there's 3 computers attached.
Click to expand...

when really, there are how many computers attached?
The
router will use it's MAC address to connect - and then will spread the
connection out for the PC's.
Click to expand...

as oppose to a switch?

Your description of what a router and switch is, is upside down, inside
out, and garbled. It might work for you, because when you buy a Router
nowadays, it contains a switch and a modem.

If you want to study networking, do so academically, rather than making
up your own definitions that are really nonsensical.

It's not really peoples' fault for having a garbled understanding.
Marketting just call devices whatever they want to call them , to sell
them off. If one device isn't selling well, they chance the name to
the name of a different device that is selling well. Consumers don't
know the difference so they get away with it.


But if you try to get technical, then don't get it wrong.

If you don't want to study it academically, then just know that a
Typical 'Home Router' is all that is required to let you connect many
computers to the Internet. It has a switch built in providing many
ports. It has a telephone socket to connect to the wall-telephone line.
And it has a kind of modem (some say it's not really a modem)built in.
 
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