A 2002 XP Question

[Jan Il]

Hi all -

I have both PPT 2000 and 2002XP on my machine, and for some reason I seem to
have problems with the 2000 on and off since installing the 2002, but none
really with the '02. While I need to be able to work with 2000 files for
work (we can't get '02) I would like to have just the '02 on the machine to
eliminate various problems. Such as, now I can't use the PPTools, or the
Add-Ins, and various other problems keep cropping up.

I had a reference on this, but, I can't find it now, and, if I recall, I can
still work with the 2000 files in '02 and they can still be used with the
2000 program at work,*as long as I don't hard save it to '02 using SaveAs*.
However, if I use any of the new features in '02 that are not in 2000, they
won't work on my work computer with 2000. Is this correct? I just want to
be sure before I make a final decision.

Best regards,
Jan

 

[Echo S]

Hi all -

I have both PPT 2000 and 2002XP on my machine, and for some reason I seem to
have problems with the 2000 on and off since installing the 2002, but none
really with the '02. While I need to be able to work with 2000 files for
work (we can't get '02) I would like to have just the '02 on the machine to
eliminate various problems. Such as, now I can't use the PPTools, or the
Add-Ins, and various other problems keep cropping up.

I'm surprised you can't use the PPTools and addins, Jan. Sounds to me as
if you've got a couple of weird installations. If you're willing to take
the time, you might uninstall both 2002 and 2000, run the 2000 registry
eraser (http://www.rdpslides.com/pptfaq/FAQ00297.htm), and then
reinstall 2000 then 2002 into different folders.

I had a reference on this, but, I can't find it now, and, if I recall, I can
still work with the 2000 files in '02 and they can still be used with the
2000 program at work,*as long as I don't hard save it to '02 using SaveAs*.
However, if I use any of the new features in '02 that are not in 2000, they
won't work on my work computer with 2000. Is this correct? I just want to
be sure before I make a final decision.

Anyway, yes, your 2000 machine will open files created in 2002. Don't
use the "save as" to backsave (as you're aware). Also, in Tools/Options,
you can turn off the new 2002 features so you're not tempted to use them
when you're working on a presentation for the office.

 

[Echo S]

However, if I use any of the new features in '02 that are not in 2000, they
won't work on my work computer with 2000. Is this correct?

Oh, and yes, this is absolutely correct.

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Echo!

I'm surprised you can't use the PPTools and addins, Jan. Sounds to me as
if you've got a couple of weird installations. If you're willing to take
the time, you might uninstall both 2002 and 2000, run the 2000 registry
eraser (http://www.rdpslides.com/pptfaq/FAQ00297.htm), and then
reinstall 2000 then 2002 into different folders.

I really don't mind the time to get the thing straightened out. I have been
trying to troubleshoot for what seems like month, from both here on the NG,
the Help files, and online technical support. Even though I have the lemon
of all OS's, ME, I feel that both versions surely should be able to reside
without problems. While I do have each program installed to separate folders
as Steve instructed when I first got my 2002XP upgrade back in June this
year, there just seems to be some residual problems that continue to
interfere with 2000. I should be able to install the PPTools, as I had them
working in 2000 without problems before I installed the '02. And I should
be able to install the Add-ins, which I was able to do before. But, since
installing '02, it just seems as if '02 has overtaken 2000, and now it is
only able to operate in a minimal skeleton capacity, while '02 operates as a
fully robust program.

I feel sure that there is 'something' that is not taking place as it should
between the two versions, and I can only assume that it is something that I
am not doing correctly. But, I just can't find out where?? I tried every
direction and avenue I can think of to troubleshoot as best I can, but, the
same problems keep cropping up. I just don't know what else to do.??

Anyway, yes, your 2000 machine will open files created in 2002. Don't
use the "save as" to backsave (as you're aware). Also, in Tools/Options,
you can turn off the new 2002 features so you're not tempted to use them
when you're working on a presentation for the office.

Ah...yes! Turning off the features....thank you...that is one that I did
not remember.

I have not done the 2000 registry eraser before, but, I am willing to try
anything at this point if it will finally get both programs to operate
properly on their own. I will follow the instructions from the FAQ
informationon this and do what I can and see what happens.

Thanks Echo, I really appreciate your help. It all kinda gets a bit
profound after a while. Sorta like asking...'Why is there air??'.... ;-)))

Jan

 

[Echo S]

I really don't mind the time to get the thing straightened out. I have been
trying to troubleshoot for what seems like month, from both here on the NG,
the Help files, and online technical support. Even though I have the lemon
of all OS's, ME, I feel that both versions surely should be able to reside
without problems. While I do have each program installed to separate folders
as Steve instructed when I first got my 2002XP upgrade back in June this
year, there just seems to be some residual problems that continue to
interfere with 2000. I should be able to install the PPTools, as I had them
working in 2000 without problems before I installed the '02. And I should
be able to install the Add-ins, which I was able to do before. But, since
installing '02, it just seems as if '02 has overtaken 2000, and now it is
only able to operate in a minimal skeleton capacity, while '02 operates as a
fully robust program.

Only thing I can think it might be is your macro security settings when
you try to install addins. Tools/Macro/Security. Set to Low while before
you install the addin, then reset to Medium or High when you've
finished.

Oh, you did do a custom install when you first installed '02, right? I'm
sure Steve (or someone) advised that, too, so you could tell the '02
installation not to remove the '00 installation.

I feel sure that there is 'something' that is not taking place as it should
between the two versions, and I can only assume that it is something that I
am not doing correctly. But, I just can't find out where?? I tried every
direction and avenue I can think of to troubleshoot as best I can, but, the
same problems keep cropping up. I just don't know what else to do.??

Not necessarily, Jan. It just might be one of those things, and you
might want to go ahead and just zap 2000 -- especially since you can
turn off the new features using those settings in Tools/Options. Might
be easier in the long run. (I suspect that's what you were thinking when
you posted these questions, so don't let me dissuade you from it!)

I have not done the 2000 registry eraser before, but, I am willing to try
anything at this point if it will finally get both programs to operate
properly on their own. I will follow the instructions from the FAQ
informationon this and do what I can and see what happens.

Yeah, I'd probably give it a shot, and if it doesn't work, then I'd just
zap 2000 for good.

 

[Jan Il]

Jan Il wrote:
sure Steve (or someone) advised that, too, so you could tell the '02
installation not to remove the '00 installation.

Hmm.....Echo....ya know...I really don't recall this. Given the air gaps
between my ears may be subject to sudden updrafts ( or calms in mid-action).
....it probably was passed on to me, but, to tell you the truth, I really
don't recall seeing this, or, making this selection when I installed '02.
However, I have uninstalled and reinstalled 2000 since the original
installation of the '02.

So...even if I have done the un- and then re- install of 2000, could there
still be something amiss if I did not make the right selection at the time
'02 was installed that could be creating a problem? I don't know how all
the program lingo relates to each other, so I'm only wondering here...???

When I do uninstall and then reinstall both the 2000 and 2002, I want to be
sure to do it correctly this time.

Thank you so very much for your additional help and information, I really do
appreciate it.

Jan

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

work (we can't get '02) I would like to have just the '02 on the machine
to

eliminate various problems. Such as, now I can't use the PPTools, or the
Add-Ins, and various other problems keep cropping up.

That, at least, shouldn't be a problem. I've got one computer with 2000, XP
and 2003 on it. And the odd PPTool or two, evenly enough. And some even
ones. Oddly. It all works reasonably well together. If you installed 2003
after installing PPTools, it may have gotten up to some sort of MSMischief
or other. I'd uninstall then reinstall PPTools.

 

[Jan Il]

That, at least, shouldn't be a problem. I've got one computer with 2000, XP
and 2003 on it. And the odd PPTool or two, evenly enough. And some even
ones. Oddly. It all works reasonably well together. If you installed 2003
after installing PPTools, it may have gotten up to some sort of MSMischief
or other. I'd uninstall then reinstall PPTools.

<Pssst!.....Steve....ahmm...I don't have '03 yet...only up to '02 XP. I
prefer to do battle with one dragon at a time...saves on the flame
marks....;-))) >

But, your suggestion of MSMischief is sorta what I've been thinking...just
not sure 'where'. Any ideas...???

I have now uninstalled the 2000, and will unintall the 2002 XP, then run the
2000 eraser as Echo suggested, then reinstall both programs again and see
what happens...besides my disassembling the PC with a pair of surgical
tweezers and a chainsaw.... :-((

 

[Echo S]

Hmm.....Echo....ya know...I really don't recall this. Given the air gaps
between my ears may be subject to sudden updrafts ( or calms in mid-action).
...it probably was passed on to me, but, to tell you the truth, I really
don't recall seeing this, or, making this selection when I installed '02.
However, I have uninstalled and reinstalled 2000 since the original
installation of the '02.

Well, that might be the problem. (Not the air, mind you. <VBG>)

If you uninstalled 2000 and then reinstalled it with 2002 still on the
machine, you've effectively installed 2000 over 2002 -- an older version
on top of a newer one. I'd expect 2002 to be messed up, too, but hey,
you never know.

So...even if I have done the un- and then re- install of 2000, could there
still be something amiss if I did not make the right selection at the time
'02 was installed that could be creating a problem? I don't know how all
the program lingo relates to each other, so I'm only wondering here...???

Well, if you have both on the system, I'd imagine that you selected the
options not to uninstall previous versions, so you did that right, I'd
bet.

When I do uninstall and then reinstall both the 2000 and 2002, I want to be
sure to do it correctly this time.

I would uninstall 2000, run the eraser, uninstall 2002. (There isn't a
2002/Office XP eraser.)

Then reboot.

Then install 2000. Install any service releases or service packs. Then
use a custom install and install 2002. Make sure to install it to a
different folder than 2000's installed to, and make sure not to let it
remove previous versions. I'd also go through all the various options to
make sure everything is set to "run from my computer" as opposed to
"install on first use" (or whatever that option is called).

For that matter, I'd use a custom install when installing Office 2000,
too, so I could make everything I want (such as Page Borders <g>) "run
from my computer."

After that, install any 2002 service packs you want. Finally, I'd
install PPTools, other addins, etc.

Just remember the "oldest to newest" rule of thumb, and you should be
fine.

Thank you so very much for your additional help and information, I really do
appreciate it.

You're welcome, Jan. But if it doesn't work, just zap 2000 as was your
original inclination.

 

[Jan Il]

Well, that might be the problem. (Not the air, mind you. <VBG>)

Heh..I never discount anything these days.. ;-)))

If you uninstalled 2000 and then reinstalled it with 2002 still on the
machine, you've effectively installed 2000 over 2002 -- an older version
on top of a newer one. I'd expect 2002 to be messed up, too, but hey,
you never know.

I haven't noticed much problem anywhere in '02 yet, but, I haven't really
had a chance to work too much there since I reinstalled 2000 last time.

here...???

Well, if you have both on the system, I'd imagine that you selected the
options not to uninstall previous versions, so you did that right, I'd
bet.

'k....but, 'f I were you, I'd hedge that bet by only putting up about .02 at
this point. I mean..someone who gets half-tracked by a turkey, that thinks
it's a chicken, may not be a very sound bet...ya know..8-o ???

I would uninstall 2000, run the eraser, uninstall 2002. (There isn't a
2002/Office XP eraser.)

Then reboot.

Then install 2000. Install any service releases or service packs. Then
use a custom install and install 2002. Make sure to install it to a
different folder than 2000's installed to, and make sure not to let it
remove previous versions. I'd also go through all the various options to
make sure everything is set to "run from my computer" as opposed to
"install on first use" (or whatever that option is called).

For that matter, I'd use a custom install when installing Office 2000,
too, so I could make everything I want (such as Page Borders <g>) "run
from my computer."

Yeah..this part I really need to be careful with, as these were like a hair
on the floor for me before. So, I'll be sure that everyone is set to work
from the computer and double check to make sure there are none playing
hide-n-seek this time.

After that, install any 2002 service packs you want. Finally, I'd
install PPTools, other addins, etc.

Just remember the "oldest to newest" rule of thumb, and you should be
fine.

'k.....now I've printed out your instructions here so that I will remember
them in the sequence you have them outlined, and so I won't forget any of
them. Memory 'round here is sometimes iffy, so the more reminders I have,
the fewer iffy's I have to worry about. ;-)

You're welcome, Jan. But if it doesn't work, just zap 2000 as was your
original inclination.

Alllrightyyy nowww! I have a plan! I'm off...ziiippppp>>>>>>>'pooof' ' '
'

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

<Pssst!.....Steve....ahmm...I don't have '03 yet...only up to '02 XP. I

prefer to do battle with one dragon at a time...saves on the flame
marks....;-))) >

OK. I've got another computer with 2000 and XP on it. Still no problems.

But, your suggestion of MSMischief is sorta what I've been thinking...just
not sure 'where'. Any ideas...???

Not without poking around in your registry, and let's not go there. But
uninstalling/reinstalling PPTools should sort it out.

I have now uninstalled the 2000, and will unintall the 2002 XP, then run the
2000 eraser as Echo suggested, then reinstall both programs again and see
what happens...besides my disassembling the PC with a pair of surgical
tweezers and a chainsaw.... :-((

<g>

Don't do the PPTools install until you're satisfied that both Officim are
working to spec.

 

[Jan Il]

OK. I've got another computer with 2000 and XP on it. Still no problems.
<g>

'k...thanks, now I'm on the same page with ya... ;-)

Not without poking around in your registry, and let's not go there. But
uninstalling/reinstalling PPTools should sort it out.

Ahmm....no...I know I'm registered, so, I don't think I need to check that
at this point. Now, I know you told me to install the '02 to a separate
folder when I made the mistake of selecting the Upgrade the first time I
installed the '02, and I redid everything then. But, 'f I recall, I had
trouble installing the PPTools to the 2000 at that time. But, eventually it
did install, and it set up without a peep in '02.

<g>

Don't do the PPTools install until you're satisfied that both Officim are
working to spec.

'k......I've got the step-by-step instructions from Echo on the proper
sequence of uninstall/reintall of the two. See, I think she is on to
something, in that after I did the last recent unintall/reinstall of 2000
(forget which chapter that was), I didn't do a reinstall of '02,
so...maybe....I somehow sorta ..stiffled some of its
features...functions...you know, kinda choked it up. I don't think I need to
waste time troubleshooting '02 for find out what or where, I'll just wipe
'em out and then start over.

I just sooo dislike redo's. :-( I'm sure someday that will be carved into
a grain of rice in doublespaced New Times Roman, which is then implanted on
the bottom of my Urn..."Here's Jan 'Redo' Ilacqua. She finally made a
complete ash of herself. DO NOT OPEN!!! "....(sigh)....

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

I just sooo dislike redo's. :-( I'm sure someday that will be carved
into

a grain of rice in doublespaced New Times Roman, which is then implanted on
the bottom of my Urn..."Here's Jan 'Redo' Ilacqua. She finally made a
complete ash of herself. DO NOT OPEN!!! "....(sigh)....

That's what happens when ya play with fire. <g>

 

[Jan Il]

That's what happens when ya play with fire. <g>

Well....so much for 'Safety Matches'... (hee hee)

But.....hey...Steve...I've been trying to uninstall the 2000 disk #2, and it
gets to a point and then just seems to hang. I mean, I've left it to do
it's thingie for over 2 hours, and it still just flicks now and then, but
never finishes. How long should it take to fully uninstall? Sheesh! What
the peach fuzz all is on the second disk? I mean, besides the King James
original and revised versions of the Bible???? The first part went without
a hiccup...but, #2 does not want to go quietly into that good night. Is
this like it should be?

 

[Echo S]

But.....hey...Steve...I've been trying to uninstall the 2000 disk #2, and it
gets to a point and then just seems to hang. I mean, I've left it to do
it's thingie for over 2 hours, and it still just flicks now and then, but
never finishes. How long should it take to fully uninstall? Sheesh! What
the peach fuzz all is on the second disk? I mean, besides the King James
original and revised versions of the Bible???? The first part went without
a hiccup...but, #2 does not want to go quietly into that good night. Is
this like it should be?

No, that's not how it should be. But what do you mean you're trying to
uninstall 2000 disk #2? I think if you just go to Add/Remove programs,
it should uninstall. Or does it ask you for disk 2 at some point?

Man, I'd probably just wipe that machine clean and start over. <g>

 

[Jan Il]

No, that's not how it should be. But what do you mean you're trying to
uninstall 2000 disk #2? I think if you just go to Add/Remove programs,
it should uninstall. Or does it ask you for disk 2 at some point?

No...see....here is what I have....with 2000 you have 2 cd's right? Disk #1
and Disk #2, right? And, in the Add/Remove list, there is MS Office 2000
Professional, MS Office Disk 2, and then MS Office 2000 Troubleshooting. The
MS Office 2000 Professional went fine, so did the Troubleshooting, but, when
I try to delete the Disk #2...it just goes and and goes.....

I didn't think this was right, as it did not do this before, but, I just
thought maybe I had gotten lucky and got the quick job, as compared to the
normal...of which I am not readily familiar.

Man, I'd probably just wipe that machine clean and start over. <g>

I'd agree...if it were like it used to be where you just reinstalled the
programs and went about your business. 'Cep..now I'd have to reinstall all
the Window, IE, OE, progams and realted patches and ..*Updates*! Oh Lord
have mercy!! The last time I had to do a reinstall, it took me 4 weeks to
get the dang computer stable, and that was with only half the MS patches and
updates!! Jeez...if it wasn't for all the screwball, user-unfriendly MS
patches and updates and such, it would not be near the trail and tribulation
it is. I could just reinstall all the programs and then get back to
business.

But, with all the band-aids, slings, fixes, hot fixes, cold fixes, updates,
patches, add-ins, add-ons, add-ups, attaboys, attagirls, Security plugs, Ear
Plugs, Media clips, hair clips, graphic clips, IE Internet updates, patches,
AV systems, Spyware, Malware, Adware, File managers, Scan/Defragers,
Sorters, Startup Cops, Robo Cops, SR's, RS's, CP's, ERP's, IMP's, CPR's,
Mail washers, Car washers, Window washers, Purifiers, Purgers, Stalkers,
ActiveX, DirectX, BigX, RedX, X-Fighters, X Marks the Spot, MediaPlayer,
MediaPlex, Maxi-Media, Mini-Media, Multi-Media, etc..etc., and a score of
others that I can't even begin to remember. And...then I only have 21
programs to be reinstalled, each with their own specific patches, updates
and add-ins to be added and dealt with. Thus, I would not be able to get
any work done for weeks! See???

But.....well....'k....I'll see what I can do...

Endora......


MS PPT MVP]

 

[Glen Millar]

Windie said:

But, with all the band-aids, slings, fixes, hot fixes, cold fixes, updates,
patches, add-ins, add-ons, add-ups, attaboys, attagirls, Security plugs, Ear
Plugs, Media clips, hair clips, graphic clips, IE Internet updates, patches,
AV systems, Spyware, Malware, Adware, File managers, Scan/Defragers,
Sorters, Startup Cops, Robo Cops, SR's, RS's, CP's, ERP's, IMP's, CPR's,
Mail washers, Car washers, Window washers, Purifiers, Purgers, Stalkers,
ActiveX, DirectX, BigX, RedX, X-Fighters, X Marks the Spot, MediaPlayer,
MediaPlex, Maxi-Media, Mini-Media, Multi-Media, etc..etc., and a score of
others that I can't even begin to remember.

Yep. I think you got most of 'em except Direct Draw, maybe ;-)

ROFL!

 

[Jan Il]

Windie said:

Yep. I think you got most of 'em except Direct Draw, maybe ;-)

Oh... yeah...and that one. Well....why not....Thanks Glen. I know...what are friends for...;-))

Windie


(BTW ..ahmm....what the heck is that for anyway....???)

 

[Glen Millar]

Windie said:

Oh... yeah...and that one. Well....why not....
Thanks Glen. I know...what are friends for...;-))

Windie


(BTW ..ahmm....what the heck is that for anyway....???)

Direct Draw? It uses hardware acceleration on your machine to draw images in
PowerPoint. I use it here and it makes a huge difference to clarity of large
images when they are zoomed into.

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

But, with all the band-aids, slings, fixes, hot fixes, cold fixes,
updates,

patches, add-ins, add-ons, add-ups, attaboys, attagirls, Security plugs, Ear
Plugs, Media clips, hair clips, graphic clips, IE Internet updates, patches,
AV systems, Spyware, Malware, Adware, File managers, Scan/Defragers,
Sorters, Startup Cops, Robo Cops, SR's, RS's, CP's, ERP's, IMP's, CPR's,
Mail washers, Car washers, Window washers, Purifiers, Purgers, Stalkers,
ActiveX, DirectX, BigX, RedX, X-Fighters, X Marks the Spot, MediaPlayer,
MediaPlex, Maxi-Media, Mini-Media, Multi-Media, etc..etc., and a score of
others that I can't even begin to remember. And...then I only have 21
programs to be reinstalled, each with their own specific patches, updates
and add-ins to be added and dealt with. Thus, I would not be able to get
any work done for weeks! See???

Fess up. How many thesauri died so you could create that message?