64-bit XP

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luckygem wrote on 16 Feb 2006 03:27:25 -0800:
When was this released?
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As a retail boxed set, it hasn't.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/howtobuy/default.mspx

You can get XP 64bit pre-installed with selected PCs, or by buying a volume
license for 5 or more copies. There was a Technology Advancement Programme
that ended in July 2005 to allow owners of XP Pro to exchange it for XP Pro
x64, but so far I haven't seen x64 in retail at all.

Dan
 
Hello Luckygem
MS XP PRO 64bit (OEM I THINK)was for sale for about £100 last summer in the
UK - try a Google search
Antioch
 
antioch wrote on Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:34:36 -0000:
Hello Luckygem
MS XP PRO 64bit (OEM I THINK)was for sale for about £100 last summer in
the UK - try a Google search
Antioch
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It's still available, but you must purchase it together with approved
hardware. It cannot legally be sold on it's own.

Dan
 
Hello Daniel - again
Sorry, I misunderstood your request.
Stupid question, but have you tried any of the sites that offer it for sale.
I have tried two and have proceeded to checkout and about to pay and neither
said anything about for sale only with approved hardware. What about buying
the cheapest bit of hardware or is it defined somewhere what approved is?
I must have not understood what you are saying.
Perhaps I get stopped when I actually pay??
Good luck
 
antioch wrote on Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:59:27 -0000:
Hello Daniel - again
Sorry, I misunderstood your request.
Stupid question, but have you tried any of the sites that offer it for
sale. I have tried two and have proceeded to checkout and about to pay and
neither said anything about for sale only with approved hardware. What
about buying the cheapest bit of hardware or is it defined somewhere what
approved is? I must have not understood what you are saying.
Perhaps I get stopped when I actually pay??
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Legally they cannot sell OEM software (and everywhere I've seen selling x64
on it's own it is OEM) without at the same time selling hardware to tie that
OEM license to.

Dan
 
Hello Daniel,

Yes I know it's a stupid question, I just don't know about these
things. It was a question for my computer class. I'm not a computer
geek(and I meant that in very good way), so....

Yes I've googled it and it says that it is due out in July-August
2006....which was my answer at first, then changed it becuz I asked a
friend(a computer geek) who says that it came out in April 2005.

I've come to find out that the Windows Vista is the one that's coming
out this summer which is totally different from Windows XP 64.......I'm
confused.

Thanks for the input:-)
 
Hello Luckygem
You must be getting as old as me - I often get confused - but you had me
worried at one point.
I had to keep going into different sites just to make sure I HAD READ it
right.
Are all these retailers breaking the law, as I believe has been suggested by
Daniel C?
Hope your mistake it didn't cause any embarrassment in class.
Rgds
Antioch
 
Windows XP x64 is currently only available through OEM's. It is expected to
be released later this year as a retail product.

In some cases, OEM wholesalers will sell you a x64 bit copy if you purchase
a piece of hardware like a hard drive.
Now this rule of thumb would work for the 32 bit OEM version of Windows if
you would know how to install a hard drive and then install the OS.

With x64 though it will ONLY install on a true 64 bit system. That is a 64
Bit Processor which would also require a new motherboard at a minimum
providing that you already have the correct memory for that board. You will
also need to understand about device drivers. Just because your printer,
scanner, video or audio works on your current XP setup does not necessary
mean that it will work on the new x64 installation. There is a chance the
x64 device drivers are not built in and you would then have to refer to the
hardware manufacturer for the drivers. Some have ackowledge a time table for
drivers with some devices never being supported for x64.

Having said that, you Can Install the 32 bit version of Windows XP on a 64
Bit system, but you cannot install the x64 bit version of Windows XP on a 32
Bit system.

Microsft would very much would like to have Vista available for the holiday
season this year and is very confident about acheiving this.
Vista is totaly different from XP - 32 or 64 Bit versions.

Hope this helps ...
 
Does x64 require "activation" spyware like x32? Also, would the
x64 require installation of spyware for reporting if the user
has a "genuine windows"?

I call them spyware because it does checking of the users' computers for
what is installed hardware, software or both.
 
Mike said:
Windows XP x64 is currently only available through OEM's. It is expected to
be released later this year as a retail product.

In some cases, OEM wholesalers will sell you a x64 bit copy if you purchase
a piece of hardware like a hard drive.
Now this rule of thumb would work for the 32 bit OEM version of Windows if
you would know how to install a hard drive and then install the OS.

With x64 though it will ONLY install on a true 64 bit system. That is a 64
Bit Processor which would also require a new motherboard at a minimum
providing that you already have the correct memory for that board. You will
also need to understand about device drivers. Just because your printer,
scanner, video or audio works on your current XP setup does not necessary
mean that it will work on the new x64 installation. There is a chance the
x64 device drivers are not built in and you would then have to refer to the
hardware manufacturer for the drivers. Some have ackowledge a time table for
drivers with some devices never being supported for x64.

Having said that, you Can Install the 32 bit version of Windows XP on a 64
Bit system, but you cannot install the x64 bit version of Windows XP on a 32
Bit system.

Microsft would very much would like to have Vista available for the holiday
season this year and is very confident about acheiving this.
Vista is totaly different from XP - 32 or 64 Bit versions.

Hope this helps ...
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If this was all started to answer a class question that is one thing.
If you are interested in purchasing XP Pro X64 for some reason
and can wait for the new version of Vista, I would wait. Lots of
people have had quite a few problems, especially drivers, with
XP Pro X64. Vista has a whole new interface design for instance.

charles....
 
If I had activated my copy, there is no reason I should be required to
re-activate after changing the ethernet card; but m$ requires because
the "activation" is spying on my computer. Sony was just doing the
same thing that m$ has been doing & yet people are upset at Sony's
spyware.
 
Hi Plew
Why not also mention Norton/Symantec and Kaspersky - all have been accused
of 'hiding' little spies in their progs.
How many others are doing it without our knowledge?
Using these types of technology cannot be good for the user.
Anyhow, I thought MS had their knuckles wrapped a few years ago for spying
on people's computers. Surely they don't still do it?
Or was it a dream?
Rgds
Antioch
 
If I had activated my copy, there is no reason I should be required to
re-activate after changing the ethernet card; but m$ requires because
the "activation" is spying on my computer.
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I'd probably not use a term such as "spying", but other than that, I agree
totally. I'm not keen on the "genuine advantage" crap either to be honest. I
wonder what other worldly gyrations Microsoft will expect people to jump
through when they decide that genuine advantage doesn't work either?
Sony was just doing the
same thing that m$ has been doing & yet people are upset at Sony's
spyware.
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Now here is where you're wrong. Either you are profoundly ignorant of what
Sony were doing or you're profoundly ignorant of what Activation does.

--
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Rob Moir, MS MVP
Blog Site - http://www.robertmoir.com
Virtual PC 2004 FAQ - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html
I'm always surprised at "professionals" who STILL have to be asked "Have you
checked (event viewer / syslog)".
 
Government (Homeland Security) has stated they may seek legislation
to prohibit any type of "RootKit" or hidden functionality. Hard to see
how they would enforce it - some kind of National Software Clearing
house ?, an NSA Certificate or similar.
 
The difference is that overtly state that check the software on
the system; intalling their products mean that that is what the
intaller wants.

microsoft do not acknowledge that their os checks what is
on the computer & will disable it if the installed hardware/software
do not meet microsoft's varible "requirements" in what is considered
to be another person's machine & not the owner/licensee's.
 
I'd probably not use a term such as "spying", but other than that, I agree
totally. I'm not keen on the "genuine advantage" crap either to be honest. I
wonder what other worldly gyrations Microsoft will expect people to jump
through when they decide that genuine advantage doesn't work either?


Now here is where you're wrong. Either you are profoundly ignorant of what
Sony were doing or you're profoundly ignorant of what Activation does.
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microsoft's activation is intended to disable my computer if I change the
network card, which it will do unless I re-activate; to carry out the action
the "activation" will spy on the machine for "activation" purposes as well
as adding/updating drivers.

Sony's stuff is for checking for their own purpose which is much the same
as what microsoft is doing. Spying is spying no matter the reason or
some wouldn't be so upset on what Bush wants to do.

microsoft's website clearly stated that m$ wants to check *ALL* my software
to make sure I have a genuing windows product. m$ has no business in
intruding into anyone's privacy as to what is installed on their computer
even if m$ is reporting it to the fbi/cia or whatever.....
 
Hello Plew
Sorry, but the below two paras do not make any sense, well not to me - I
think there might be a word or two missing from some of the sentences.
This discussion is interesting, so if you have time, could you please
rewrite them.
Rgds
Antioch
Remember please-
'You cant educate pork' - but it helps if the lesson is comprehendible!
 
microsoft's activation is intended to disable my computer if I change
the network card, which it will do unless I re-activate; to carry out
the action the "activation" will spy on the machine for "activation"
purposes as well as adding/updating drivers.
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Thats interesting. So I suppose my copy of Windows XP must suffer from a
terrible bug of some kind because I installed a new network card about 3
weeks ago, and just this week upgraded my video card from an ATI X700 Pro to
a ATI X1800XT without the computer complaining in the slightest, let alone
asking me to re-activate.
Sony's stuff is for checking for their own purpose which is much the
same as what microsoft is doing. Spying is spying no matter the
reason or some wouldn't be so upset on what Bush wants to do.

microsoft's website clearly stated that m$ wants to check *ALL* my
software to make sure I have a genuing windows product. m$ has no
business in intruding into anyone's privacy as to what is installed
on their computer even if m$ is reporting it to the fbi/cia or
whatever.....
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I did say I agreed about the genuine advantage crap. Incidentally, typing
"m$" *all the time* doesn't make you look 'leet or clever, it makes you look
like an idiot.
 
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